Argue with Americans about how it's a sin against the God of Capital to stop a corpo from raping you

[MrSlongDong]

A game you pay upfront, as you would the offline game that doesn't require a server, but HAS an online server for multiple reasons, INCLUDING single-player content, to the point where disabling the server renders the game unplayable.

Are you talking about single player games? If a game has no multiplayer elements and the online stuff is just DRM forced on you then you should get a refund if they deactivate it remotely. It falls under my first category, still. It's just a sham. If you paid upfront, and there is no mentization in the game it's a good indication that you bought a finished product. Hence it belongs to you, always and forever. Digital rather than physical format just means it's more practical to get a refund.

According to Fagtree, this is a perfectly valid measure and customers and consumers and even consoomers alike should accept it because implementing offline mode on a game that did not require being completely online would be equally as hard as either system you have presented...

I'm assuming Fagtree is the furry? I never listened to his videos so that's a very small snapshot of his views for me. I would say, sue, pirate and stop buying from Ubisoft which is a company I profoundly despise. I still don't think regulation to make Ubisoft less of a shitty company is something we want. Because otherwise people will not realize how shitty this company actually is. Please don't buy Ubisoft games, ever

Are you going to say that this is not something the initiative targets? That this situation could never be avoided because Ubisoft could not or should not have set apart a time to plan out how to turn off the servers without leaving the players empty-handed? Nobody was refunded after The Crew was shut down, as far as I'm aware.

No I still don't think you should try to force a company to run a business so I'm against maintaining a server or leaving a server "in a playable state" if the company wants to move on. I think to do so will introduce too much rigidity into the market. Refunds, on the other hand: go for it. I'm all for getting your money back, that's the capitalist way

 

[MrSlongDong]

Countries opt-in by voting, nigger. If enough people opt-out by opposing it, it dies before it becomes law. The lgtv strategy or whatever you were talking about is just a retarded policy document, literally has no power, it's just sperging from the European Commission.

You are also misusing case law, it isn't how the EU works. Why do you just assume one EU bureaucrat retard will smoke some crack and write a directive at 3 am in the morning that will insantly be valid? There's a pretty solid legislative procedure when it comes to laws like the potential lex SKG where national governments do have sovereignty in voting through the Council and indirectly through the EP.

Not to mention there were like 5 cases (the PSPP decision in particular being the most significant one) in Germany alone where the BverfG has held that if a certain EU law violates the country's constitutional identity they just don't give a fuck about it and will ignore it, nothing has come of it- not only that, but multiple countries like Hungary has followed suit and established that they only participate in the EU with constitutional limits. Even if supremacy of EU law is legally established in particularly divisive cases (which this one will certainly not be, none of the geriatric lawmaker zombies give a fuck) the EU is fangless.

Wow what a bunch of shit dude, but hey I can tell you went to university and probably took a course to learn this shit. You're not the only one bozo.

Countries opt-in by voting, nigger. If enough people opt-out by opposing it, it dies before it becomes law. The lgtv strategy or whatever you were talking about is just a retarded policy document, literally has no power, it's just sperging from the European Commission.

Countries don't vote nigger and you know it. The Commission has the sole legislative initiative and everything else is moot. The EU Parliament is a fucking joke, In practice all decisions are made by the Commission. Even the Council doesn't matter. National Parliaments have no say, they must transpose directives and regulations don't even need to be transposed, they are directly applicable. The whole structure is designed to give all control to the Commission while ensuring that nigger cattle like you think it's a democratic process.
The position paper explained how grants are given, idiot.

You are also misusing case law, it isn't how the EU works. Why do you just assume one EU bureaucrat retard will smoke some crack and write a directive at 3 am in the morning that will insantly be valid? There's a pretty solid legislative procedure when it comes to laws like the potential lex SKG where national governments do have sovereignty in voting through the Council and indirectly through the EP.

I don't think I'm misusing the case law. These two case law are so fundamental they are the basic equivalent to constitutional rules at the EU level.

"A pretty solid legislative process": lol
do you know how it works? The Council, which has representative of the states cannot propose new law, the EU Parliament cannot propose new law, the only body which can propose new law is the Commission. How is this a pretty solid legislative process, retard?
And you know what happens if the Commission proposes a law and the EU Parliament doesn't want to adopt it? It gets passed anyway because the Commission has the last word.
And once it's passed the case law: Costa v Enel + Van Gend en Loos, mean that local governments must obey and apply that law.
And if anybody wonder what the Commission is, the Commission is the ultimate technocratic body. The Commissioners are top bureaucrats from each countries that are picked by other bureaucrats and cannot be removed by their own parliament. They swear an oath to the Commission itself and to the bureaucracy and have no allegiance to the countries they come from. They literally do not represent us.

What a wonderful system, how what it adopted? Well, not democratically, because in 2005, they tried to set it up and the only countries that were asked to vote on this new wonderful system were France and Ireland and both voted no.
So in 2009 they adopted the system anyway and didn't make the mistake of asking anybody this time, because who needs to vote on this stuff, right?

Not to mention there were like 5 cases (the PSPP decision in particular being the most significant one) in Germany alone where the BverfG has held that if a certain EU law violates the country's constitutional identity they just don't give a fuck about it and will ignore it, nothing has come of it- not only that, but multiple countries like Hungary has followed suit and established that they only participate in the EU with constitutional limits. Even if supremacy of EU law is legally established in particularly divisive cases (which this one will certainly not be, none of the geriatric lawmaker zombies give a fuck) the EU is fangless.

Nonsense, the German thing was exactly the opposite of what you say. The Germans pushed back in BVerfG but in the end they folded. The supremacy of EU law is the rule, there is no exception to that rule.
The Hungary and Poland thing also shows you're full of shit. These countries make a lot of noise but the Commission always do the same thing, they say, OK you don't want to obey, fine... we'll keep the EU funds then. And then they obey. And if they still don't comply, the Commission takes them to court - and that's the ECJ, which is the European court where bad member states go to be punished - and then they received massive fines. And then they obey. Maybe they deserve it. Imagine if they tried that in the US. Lol how fucking humilating.

You really have to be a dog, not a person, to think this is a perfectly normal system. Defeated country mentality. That's truly fucking sad to see people thinking like that. That's why i don't want to live here anymore. It's just depressing to be surrounded by the absolute nigger cattle

 

[latinlover]

You're not the only one bozo.

I hope you majored in nutrition or nursing.

Countries don't vote nigger and you know it. The Commission has the sole legislative initiative and everything else is moot. The EU Parliament is a fucking joke, In practice all decisions are made by the Commission. Even the Council doesn't matter. National Parliaments have no say, they must transpose directives and regulations don't even need to be transposed, they are directly applicable. The whole structure is designed to give all control to the Commission while ensuring that nigger cattle like you think it's a democratic process.
The position paper explained how grants are given, idiot.

I don't think I'm misusing the case law. These two case law are so fundamental they are the basic equivalent to constitutional rules at the EU level.

"A pretty solid legislative process": lol
do you know how it works? The Council, which has representative of the states cannot propose new law, the EU Parliament cannot propose new law, the only body which can propose new law is the Commission. How is this a pretty solid legislative process, retard?
And you know what happens if the Commission proposes a law and the EU Parliament doesn't want to adopt it? It gets passed anyway because the Commission has the last word.
And once it's passed the case law: Costa v Enel + Van Gend en Loos, mean that local governments must obey and apply that law.
And if anybody wonder what the Commission is, the Commission is the ultimate technocratic body. The Commissioners are top bureaucrats from each countries that are picked by other bureaucrats and cannot be removed by their own parliament. They swear an oath to the Commission itself and to the bureaucracy and have no allegiance to the countries they come from. They literally do not represent us.

What a wonderful system, how what it adopted? Well, not democratically, because in 2005, they tried to set it up and the only countries that were asked to vote on this new wonderful system were France and Ireland and both voted no.
So in 2009 they adopted the system anyway and didn't make the mistake of asking anybody this time, because who needs to vote on this stuff, right?

Literally fucking no. Some of the Americans reading this thread will actually believe there is a council of immortal vampire technocrats in charge of the EU who are omnipotent. Sure, they are unelected, but that's about the only objectively correct thing you wrote regarding how they function (besides their ability to propose law). The Commission doesn't fucking have the last word, laws wont pass without the joint approval of both the Council and the EP. It has the ability to propose, revise, withdraw [proposals], it cannot just magically create law.
There is a slight imbalance of power between these institutions (in favor of the Commission) but you grossly misrepresent how it works.

Also just because you seem to love the Lisbon Treaty: on the European Constitution in 2005 Ireland never held a referendum, the Netherlands (and France) did. Both voted no, sure. For the Lisbon Treaty in 2009 Ireland was the only state to hold a referendum, and it passed. I'll give your nigger ass a list of countries that ratified the Lisbon Treaty through national parliament, so blame the voters, maybe vote for a parliament who defies the evil EU the next time, or one that wants to leave the EU? Democracy baby.
Anyway, the list of countries that ratified it through their respective national parliaments: fucking all of them. Retard. I'm sure your explanation is that Barroso used fucking vampire-jedi mind tricks to puppeteer the member state parlaments into signing and agreeing to being raped through Lisbon.

Nonsense, the German thing was exactly the opposite of what you say. The Germans pushed back in BVerfG but in the end they folded. The supremacy of EU law is the rule, there is no exception to that rule.
The Hungary and Poland thing also shows you're full of shit. These countries make a lot of noise but the Commission always do the same thing, they say, OK you don't want to obey, fine... we'll keep the EU funds then.

At this point I'm convinced you're retarded and don't even believe what you're writing. the "german thing" (PSPP) was literally a landmark example of the EU legal monolith cracking, it created a precedent that national courts can reject ECJ rulings conflicting with their constitution. It was fucking upheld, the Germans didn't 'fold' in the end. Also can you outline a theoretical plan to 'punish' the sovereign state of Germany for being a silly goose and resisting, how could they fucking go about doing anything like that?

In terms of Hungary and Poland: what do you propose, when member states actively sabotage a political and econonomic union they are voluntarily in (all while being net recipients and absolute leeches) the money should just keep flowing? Also give me one case where the EU actually withheld funds and cited a rule of law violation that wasn't pertaining to industrial levels of corruption and a lack of judicial independence which anyone with over 60 iq would agree are real problems in these countries. Not a single fucking euro was withheld because not enough tranny cocks have been sucked in the wake of the new 2023 tranny cock sucking directive or whatever retarded strawman you're trying to create.

Move to Thailand or the Philippines buddy.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Kansas failed because it's fucking Kansas. It has nothing to create value in the first place.

Yeah. Fuck farmers. We don't rely on them for food anyway.

 

[Dr Cruel]

"Video games used to be one-time purchases. Today, games act more as a service, with companies often providing them for free and relying upon “loot boxes” and microtransactions like in-app purchases to create revenue streams. According to a Federal Trade Commission report, loot boxes have been a topic of concern both nationally and internationally over concerns that they encourage gambling-like behavior or use concerning tactics that can encourage addictive consumer spending, even in games targeting young children."
How Loot Boxes In Children’s Video Games Encourage Gambling

"For almost a century, companies have agreed that growth comes from selling more. The more things bought, the stronger the economy. Planned obsolescence was devised as a strategy to sell more. It’s why our phones start slowing down after the three-year mark, why our furniture feels disposable, and why our clothes rip or wear out so quickly. It’s also why many things aren’t easily repairable. They simply weren’t designed to be repaired."
The History of Planned Obsolescence

"New farm equipment is highly computerized and software-driven. While advanced features including moisture sensing and precision GPS can increase crop yields, the equipment now requires modern software tools to fix — tools that manufacturers restrict access to. When a farmer is faced with broken equipment in need of that restricted software, they are forced to rely on dealers for repairs – often leading to long wait times and large bills – that they used to be able to accomplish themselves."
John Deere and Right to Repair

"The Chinese Communist Party (CCP or the Party) is engaging in warfare tactics against the United States with increasing efficacy. The communist regime is a totalitarian force that enslaves its own people; surveils and harasses critics of the Party and people of Chinese descent around the world; poisons tens of thousands of Americans every year with fentanyl; and actively seeks to destroy America. It seeks the downfall of the United States because the CCP views the American way of life as a threat to the authoritarian grip it desperately seeks to maintain."
House Committee on Oversight and Accountability: CCP Political Warfare

"FDH Aero, a US aerospace supply chain firm, entered into a strategic partnership with COMAC and Shanghai Aerospace Manufacturing Co. (SAMC). COMAC was identified by the DoD as a Chinese Military Company and SAMC is on the BIS Entity List as a Military End-User.
The University of Tennessee partnered with AUBO Robotics at UT’s Cherokee Farm Innovation Campus, a joint research project in collaboration with Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL). The chairman of AUBO Robotics is Wei Hongxing (魏洪兴), a professor at Beijing Aerospace University (Beihang University). During his tenure, Wei has conducted research on drone swarms and robotics applications for NORINCO, China’s largest weapons manufacturer."
How Private Corporations Support the Chinese Communist Party

"The House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party opened an investigation on Monday into Harvard’s partnerships with organizations accused of having ties to the CCP.
In a 14-page letter to Harvard President Alan M. Garber ’76, Republicans led by committee chair John R. Moolenaar (R-Mich.) accused Harvard of “hosting and training members of a CCP paramilitary organization” and using Department of Defense funding to partner with China-based scholars with ties to the People’s Liberation Army."
House Republicans Investigate Harvard’s Collaborations With China

"The customer is not right. The customer is dumb. The customer doesn’t know what they want until we tell them. Their complaints are meaningless."
Screw The Customer



The 18th century was the Enlightenment Era.

The 19th century was the Victorian Era.

The 20th century was the Socialist Era.


The 21st century is the Era of Fuck You.

Happy Independence Day. It was nice while it lasted.

 

[Another Random]

Are you talking about single player games? If a game has no multiplayer elements and the online stuff is just DRM forced on you then you should get a refund if they deactivate it remotely. It falls under my first category, still. It's just a sham. If you paid upfront, and there is no mentization in the game it's a good indication that you bought a finished product. Hence it belongs to you, always and forever. Digital rather than physical format just means it's more practical to get a refund.

I listed the servers were used for multiple reasons. You could play single-player and multiplayer like Mario Kart. EXCEPT both of those were in the server in The Crew. Therefore, it was NOT the first category because it required the server to function, similar to an MMO, except for the part where one of the always online modes was the single-player.

Like I said, it's a fourth category you're intentionally ignoring just to be a prat about your point.

No I still don't think you should try to force a company to run a business so I'm against maintaining a server or leaving a server "in a playable state" if the company wants to move on. I think to do so will introduce too much rigidity into the market. Refunds, on the other hand: go for it. I'm all for getting your money back, that's the capitalist way

The companies are not required to support the game as part of the end of life service Stop Killing Games wants. Lots of games get a final patch long after release not because they were always online but because they needed bugfixing or had extra DLC or whatever. What's wrong with making this part of that process?

Also, as much as the government is awful to the people, companies are just as awful if left to their own affairs. It's the whole reason socialism became a thing: the companies abuse their workes and their consumers in the pursuit of glorious profit and we take it up the ass because the alternatives generally are to own nothing and be a bugman.

 

[Dr Cruel]

Also, as much as the government is awful to the people, companies are just as awful if left to their own affairs. It's the whole reason socialism became a thing...

The reverse is the case. Socialists successfully convinced workers that businesses are run by thieves who steal their wage labor surplus. Company loyalty plummeted. This gave large corporations who treat workers like crap and who successfully collaborated with socialist slave states a substantial competitive edge. Production has moved away from the Western model to Asian and South American sweatshops.

The same has happened to the customer relationship. Big corporations have learned that catering to customer needs is not as profitable as fucking them at every available opportunity. Once again socialists have actively encouraged this.

If a customer is happy with an old game, he will play it and not buy a new one. It profits game companies to fuck over old customers by hijacking control over their old games so they get bored and buy new ones. Thus the value of an arrangement like STEAM. The same goes for abandonware that was once free and is now sold by GOG.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Louisana and Oklahoma both took a dip because of of the oil crash of 2014 not because of tax cuts.

That's the dumbest cope I've ever seen. Louisiana's own analysts said over a billion of their budget deficit came from Jindal's tax cuts before oil prices even mattered. Oklahoma lost over a billion a year from their cuts too. They set their own houses on fire then blamed the wind. You're not a small brain, you have no brain.

Ireland

LEPRECHAUN ECONOMICS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THEY HAD TO INVENT A CORRECTED GNI BECAUSE OF THEIR STATUS AS A TAX HAVEN. EU HAD TO WRANGLE THEM SO MUCH INTO FORCING 10 MULTINATIONALS TO PAY 15%. In 2023, the GDP you jerk off to crashed -5.5%. But the real Irish economy, the one they measure with GNI* to remove the bullshit, grew +5.0%. The numbers aren't even connected. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The UK has one of the strongest economies in Europe

Only 1.1% increase productivity post-COVID. Massive red tape explosion. GDP growth slowest for a decade. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you want to have a final word, bitch, you can have it. Bark for me, dimwit.

 

[MrSlongDong]

Sure, they are unelected, but

There is a slight imbalance of power between these institutions (in favor of the Commission) but

Being unelected is not a small "but" you cum drinking negro.
It's not "a slight imbalance". The Commission is the only one that has the power to draft law. It also can veto any amendment of the other institutions. While in theory the EU Parliament can amend laws, in practice what fucking happens is that, if the Commission doesn't like an amendment, it kills the law, then re-submit it a few months later. And eventually the law gets passed. That's how they passed the Copyright directive despite the fact that it was an anti-free speech legislation, that's how they passed the Green Deal Act that imposed net zero targets on all national governments. And that's always how it works. And in practice nigger, there is fund attribution mechanisms in these laws, so the Commission is still going to do the same thing and say, "well, it's too bad you can't vote on this law, because that's where we included the funds to support your creative industry, whoops" - that's a nigger cattle thing to think the system doesn't work entirely in favor of the Commission and yes the Commissioner are literally unelected vampires and you're literally a zombie.

Also just because you seem to love the Lisbon Treaty: on the European Constitution in 2005 Ireland never held a referendum, the Netherlands (and France) did. Both voted no, sure. For the Lisbon Treaty in 2009 Ireland was the only state to hold a referendum, and it passed. I'll give your nigger ass a list of countries that ratified the Lisbon Treaty through national parliament, so blame the voters, maybe vote for a parliament who defies the evil EU the next time, or one that wants to leave the EU? Democracy baby.

Yes it's funny that every time they asked the people to vote directly it failed. So yes it was the Netherlands and France in 2005 that voted no by referendum (which is people directly voting yes or no on an issue), not Ireland.
Ireland was asked by referendum in 2008 and they voted no, so they tweaked the proposal a little and re-submitted it for vote. Imagine losing a referendum and going "oh you voted no. ok let me tweak what I said last time, in a way that changes nothing at all and make the whole country vote again... it's ok guys, we'll just keep doing this and you'll keep delaying the entire process"
Again complete nigger cattle mentality
The modern EU should not have been set up through Parliaments voting to accept the treaty and you can shove your ChatGPT generated list where the sun don't shine. They passed the treaty in national Parliaments through simple majority votes by relying on pro-EU parliamentarians. This treaty took away our national sovereignty and should have been put to the people.

At this point I'm convinced you're retarded and don't even believe what you're writing. the "german thing" (PSPP) was literally a landmark example of the EU legal monolith cracking, it created a precedent that national courts can reject ECJ rulings conflicting with their constitution. It was fucking upheld, the Germans didn't 'fold' in the end. Also can you outline a theoretical plan to 'punish' the sovereign state of Germany for being a silly goose and resisting, how could they fucking go about doing anything like that?

It cracked nothing at all. No change to the doctrine, no effect on the supremacy and priority of EU law. It only says that in some rare cases, the supreme court of a member state can interpret a EU law if it obviously violates the Supreme Law of that national country and then they all agreed, national courts and and EU court that this would NEVER happen in practice because the EU adopted the Charter of Human Right which solved this issue forever.
I can't talk about jurisprudence nigger. I don't need an AI. You keep babbling. I know how these things work in practice.

In terms of Hungary and Poland: what do you propose, when member states actively sabotage a political and econonomic union they are voluntarily in (all while being net recipients and absolute leeches) the money should just keep flowing? Also give me one case where the EU actually withheld funds and cited a rule of law violation that wasn't pertaining to industrial levels of corruption and a lack of judicial independence which anyone with over 60 iq would agree are real problems in these countries. Not a single fucking euro was withheld because not enough tranny cocks have been sucked in the wake of the new 2023 tranny cock sucking directive or whatever retarded strawman you're trying to create.

"actively sabotage the union" you're fucking kidding me right? You know why the EU threatened to withdraw funds to these countries? Because of ANTI LGBT PROPAGANDA because both Poland and Hungary wanted to support the traditional family model! Both countries have natalist policies which are verbotten because the only way to make the population go up, is by importing MIGRANTS and the EU Commission got plenty of migrants to shuffle around from France and Germany. There is corruption but the fight against corruption is definitely not why the Commission goes after them. That's just something they use for people like you to larp on

Move to Thailand or the Philippines buddy.

People like you are the reason why things are the way they are.
I despise you.
I already got the fuck out because I cannot stand being around people who think like this.
You do not work for the Commission, you're probably not even a civil servant
You're just happy to get fucked in the ass
Go back to Reddit where you belong

 

[MrSlongDong]

The reverse is the case. Socialists successfully convinced workers that businesses are run by thieves who steal their wage labor surplus. Company loyalty plummeted. This gave large corporations who treat workers like crap and who successfully collaborated with socialist slave states a substantial competitive edge. Production has moved away from the Western model to Asian and South American sweatshops.

The same has happened to the customer relationship. Big corporations have learned that catering to customer needs is not as profitable as fucking them at every available opportunity. Once again socialists have actively encouraged this.

If a customer is happy with an old game, he will play it and not buy a new one. It profits game companies to fuck over old customers by hijacking control over their old games so they get bored and buy new ones. Thus the value of an arrangement like STEAM. The same goes for abandonware that was once free and is now sold by GOG.

I generally agree but I would add a point based on my experience: the reason companies are going woke is not because they want to increase productivity. DEI stuff does not increase productivity. Hiring a bunch of black people and troons is not going to make the line go up. Positive discrimination etc., actually really impacts the productivity of your company and I have witnessed it with my own eyes.
The only reason that they can sustain these woke policies is because they get state support for these policies. So if you hire 50% of minorities and gender dysmorphic trolls, the rules around you are going to get a lot more relaxed. The pattern is as so: the government over-tax and over-regulate your business, but if you follow globo-homo policies, you get a little relief. Then in the meantime, the management and HR of these companies is full of super woke super left-wing college graduates who are fully on board with globo-homo policies and will push the company to enforce them. The shareholders see the line go up and approve whatever because they don't realise this is not actual growth or good strategy.
That's why people are starting to talk about a "competency crisis" because long term, we are systematically hiring people for important jobs (engineering, tech, finance etc) who are not qualified for these jobs and over-working the few people that are actually in their position for a reason.
I spent many years in a wage cage and I saw these decisions being made and the impact they have on the business you're in. Nobody stands against that because even the people in charge who could say "no" are generally spineless boomers who got to the top by sucking as many cocks as possible and agreeing with as many pozzed idiotic things as possible.

I remember during Covid a conversation with a boss that basically had the power to make decisions for the entire company going something along the line of "my kids keep talking about Discord and how great it is, I want our firm to embrace new tech, you are a young person, do you think we should set up a Discord for the whole company?" - if I had said "yes sir", this whole fucking organisation would have dumped all its employee data on Discord. I said no because I already knew back then that Discord was full of pedophiles and leaked data but I got shit for it. I didn't directly get punished, but the boss wasn't happy I didn't suck his cock and I definitely got shit for it later.
It's like with social media, the moment you stop enforcing censorship, you realise people are not as woke you think they were. If we had a fascist government (for example) that actually wanted to support the national interest, all these shitty woke policies in the private sector would be dropped immediately and profits would surge.

The big problem we are going to have, is that we keep hiring and promoting people who are "system-dogs", that is: somebody who has been hired because of DEI policies will always be a servant to the DEI system. And once that virus gets to the core, everything implodes. You end up with a dead and gay system, that produces nothing but only reproduces itself. That's why businesses fail in totalitarian communist countries for example, because promotion and jobs are not given to smart people but to people who are good at agreeing with the system.

 

[MrSlongDong]

He refuses to acknowledge the fact that the free market pipedream he's been sold is a fiction that could never exist because corporations would never allow it to. Corporations directly utilize tools like the ECI to push their agenda and have even more complex and expensive apparatus available to them to force the government to act in a manner they want.

It doesn't give you the moral high ground to not use these tools it just makes you a rape victim.

He's a dumb nigger who doesn't comprehend the grievance or the proposed solution or even the relevant overhead. He said it would be logistically different to make a physical game disc still playable from a digital game while fundamentally not understanding how software works.

If the customers are free to choose the products/services they like and to switch between products/services and (2) there is healthy competition between market participants (because low barriers to entry for new competitors / start-ups), then the companies cannot rape you because if you don't like a product or a service, you can always... not buy it and buy something else instead.

It's not a fiction, you don't see it because the government (and the companies themselves which are in bed with the government because they want hand-outs), doesn't allow it.

The point is that if you restrict the ability of people to start their own businesses and over-regulate businesses so that you create barriers to entry into the market, and you tax entrepreneurs too much, then you end up with fewer companies, less competition and less choice for the consumer who can't switch when a product suck.

A system in which people are free, taxes are low, and regulation light touch and pro-business (especially in favor of start-ups) will be better for the people living in it. In practice that's always what happens. You can cope and sneed all you want, socialism never worked, it will never work, the more you implement it, the poorer you become.

 

[Mossy Trash Panda]

omg gamers....

Seat belts solve a clear safety hazard that harms people’s lives in the real world. They’re a basic, life-or-death consumer protection. That’s why governments mandate them.

A video game shutting down is not a life-or-death consumer safety issue

Forcing a company to run servers or open up source code forever is not the same as mandating seat belts, it’s more like forcing Ford to keep building parts for your 1970s Pinto until the end of time.

Except corpos fought tooth and nail for every excuse not to include them because, thqt raises the costs of making the car. Saftey wasn't a high priority until those short-sighted fucks had no choice but to include them. Same with airbags.

 

[Mossy Trash Panda]

Ragebait or sock account, call it.

*Flips a coin, and refuses to elaborate.*

Call it.

 

[MrSlongDong]

Except corpos fought tooth and nail for every excuse not to include them because, thqt raises the costs of making the car. Saftey wasn't a high priority until those short-sighted fucks had no choice but to include them. Same with airbags.

And you seem to think I'm a libertarian, which again I am not. I never said you should let corpo shit out every single product with no regard for health and safety regulations, otherwise crack and heroin would be legal.

So no I don't think things that are an obvious danger to the population should be for sale. I'm not an anarchist

 

[Mossy Trash Panda]

And you seem to think I'm a libertarian, which again I am not. I never said you should let corpo shit out every single product with no regard for health and safety regulations, otherwise crack and heroin would be legal.

So no I don't think things that are an obvious danger to the population should be for sale. I'm not an anarchist

But that's what they will do. Because, again, they are short-sighted, and obsessed with short-term gains over long-term results. None of those people are you.

The point i'm trying to make, is that if they thought screwing someone over made them an extra buck, as long as there wasn't an enforcible law that told them they couldn't, they'd do so in a heartbeat. Morality doesn't even factor into their minds, only instant gratification if they think they can get away with it.

 

[MrSlongDong]

But that's what they will do. Because, again, they are short-sighted, and obsessed with short-term gains over long-term results. None of those people are you.

The point i'm trying to make, is that if they thought screwing someone over made them an extra buck, as long as there wasn't an enforcible law that told them they couldn't, they'd do so in a heartbeat. Morality doesn't even factor into their minds, only instant gratification if they think they can get away with it.

Your problem is that you think it's you vs the business and you disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing with me. Even when I say, I agree with you, you go "no companies are bad, they need to be told how to operate constantly". I don't agree with this - I think a reasonable person with a normal intelligence is able to enter into a contract and understand when they are getting screwed. Yes, a used car salesman will always try to sell you the worst car first. If you are so fucking dumb that you bought it I'm not going to go and regulate the used car industry.

Obviously if there is one single used car company in town which is a state monopoly and nobody can compete with them, that's a problem, but the problem is the absence of choice because there is no freedom to do business in the first place.

EDIT:

Spoiler: picture of a used car salesman for proof

Shocker - this guy was trying to screw you

 

[Mossy Trash Panda]

Your problem is that you think it's you vs the business and you disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing with me. Even when I say, I agree with you, you go "no companies are bad, they need to be told how to operate constantly". I don't agree with this - I think a reasonable person with a normal intelligence is able to enter into a contract and understand when they are getting screwed. Yes, a used car salesman will always try to sell you the worst car first. If you are so fucking dumb that you bought it I'm not going to go and regulate the used car industry.

Obviously if there is one single used car company in town which is a state monopoly and nobody can compete with them, that's a problem, but the problem is the absence of choice because there is no freedom to do business in the first place.

Ah yes, the freedom to make sure the customer owns nothing...

Here's my advice on how to make your MMO profitible:

Make it a one-time payment up-front before you even play the game. This was basically every game before 2020. MMOs were no different depending on when, and where you got them.

Keep cosmetics optional, yet unnecessary to finish the game with. For example, you do not need a hyper-rare set of equipment to get the Good Ending to a game. Good Endings are usually achieved via doing a set of tasks that are out of the way from the main quest.

If your corpo ass needs your fix of Micro-transactions, keep them to an absolute minimum for the sake of not driving 98% of your customers away. Only a rich few actively want to pay more cuz they have the cash to burn, but that only goes so far. If you wanna keep the average joe, then you can't afford to nickle and dime them.

In a better world, these corpos would hqve a sense of morality to not use predatory practices, but they don't. Good PR goes a long way, and they can't even get that right in their greed-driven pursuit of infinite wealth. Nobody likes government interference, but they have more or less forced the people's hand on the matter. If they won't listen to the backlash of their own customers, then said customers will bring in someone who will make them listen.

 

[MrSlongDong]

Here's my advice on how to make your MMO profitible:

1. one time payment system does not work for games like WoW for example. Paying 70 dollars for the game will not be enough to support the game throughout its lifetime. Obviously Blizzard made bank with that game but the monthly fee wasn't just profit margin. It was required to cover the operating expenses of this type of game.

If you take your average WoW player, while this guy would have paid for the game upfront, they also had to pay a 15 dollar monthly subscription and then you had expansion packs so over the course of 5 years a typical WoW player would spend around a 1000 dollar on the game. At its peak, 50% of the revenue generated by player subscriptions was used to cover the game's operating expenses. So sure Blizzard is still making a shit tone of cash but that's the reward for making this kind of game in the first place but the point is that, a simple upfront fee, would never work. The cost of the data centers alone would be prohibitive. If you paid 60 dollars for a game that you expect will be online for years, it's not the same as buying Mario Sunshine on the GameCube.

2. I don't know what game you play so maybe that's me but I have never seen compulsory cosmetics. Cosmetics are always optional as far as I'm aware. Pay-to win is not a popular type of game. It goes back to my point that a game like this will only draw people like DSP which are not the norm. The type of gotcha game / mobile fag WWE games that DSP play are only popular with DSP type people. Don't buy these games. In practice we see the market adjusting to reflect player preferences. I don't assume that every player, or even the majority of players, are people like DSP or Bossman. The majority of players are people like you and me because the majority of people are rational and sane. If you go "pfff fat chance" it's not just contrarianism because you then end up with a system that assume you're a toddler who doesn't know better and the rules around you will reflect that. None of us actually want that system

3. Similar argument regarding monetisation and loot boxes. The point here is that I am ready to assume that the individual is rational. The assumption of rationality is a very important point because regulators don't believe you're rational and they think that unless the system is carefully policed then everybody will make the wrong choices. That's why socialistic systems are infantile system. While they pretend to protect you, they remove the buyer beware mentality and over time they just make you dumb (which is a self-fulfilling prophecy for these systems). Monetisation and cosmetics is not a system that screw people in order to be profitable. It's hard to understand for people like us who don't buy into it but lots of players actually enjoy making these purchases for the social elements of the game. Female players for example are more likely to buy cosmetics for their characters because it's akin to a doll dressing experience. Who are we, to tell them they are wrong? You buy the game to play matches, they may buy it to dress a character. None of this is real anyway.

In general, I think there are two things that can derail the assumption of rationality for a sane adult: drugs and sex, which is why we don't allow the sale of these things (or we shouldn't anyway).

 

[Mossy Trash Panda]

Socialism isn't my reason for backing SKG. I want to make corpos pay for ignoring their customers when they said Loot Boxes, Micro-Transactions, NFTs, and now, not even owning the game was a bad idea. Corpos had a full decade to course-correct, but as we all, well, not you, have learned, the days of the ESRB self-regulating the games industry are long gone.

If the industry was smart, it would return to how it was run like in the 2000's, without hiking prices as a means to "make us regret it."

 

[MrSlongDong]

If the industry was smart, it would return to how it was run like in the 2000's, without hiking prices as a means to "make us regret it."

But then you will play 2000's type games...

I think it's better to keep it attractive and competitive so that new studios and new games can emerge. I don't want to be stuck on a same old platform playing the same franchise over and over again.

The correcting course is happening constantly. Loot boxes and pay to win was rampant a few years ago and look what happened. People hated games like that and the player base moved on to better games that didn't have these practices or restricted them. If you had listened to Jim Sterling we would have had a bunch of stupid rules to outlaw these practices and it would have been pointless.