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No, but the millions upon millions of agricultural and supply chain jobs involved in feeding America definitely do.
The annoying thing is, you’re bringing up points that have already been shot down twenty times over in this thread alone. And because you’re a newfag dipshit who openly admits he doesn’t keep up with the thread, all you’re going to do is piss off the people that are tired of repeatedly having to debunk the standard-issue illegal-apologist defenses cumfarted out by the kind of middle class fuckwit who thinks open borders are neat.
Let me sum it up for you.

-Illegals are only ‘necessary’ for employers looking to exploit vulnerable people by paying substandard wages, normally in cash to avoid IRS scrutiny.
-Employers are able to legally hire H2A and H2B workers under US pay and conditions so those who choose to hire illegals do so purely for exploitative purposes.
-By exploiting these people, these employers degrade pay and conditions for American workers.
-Illegal workers don’t pay tax, get paid cash, send money ‘back home’ so it doesn’t benefit the economy, then claim tax credits, leech off emergency rooms, and claim benefits like rent assistance because their declared income is legally nil.
-Illegal workers’ families get to use roads, police, public schools, fire departments, public facilities, get help from FEMA etc despite not paying a goddamn cent towards their creation or maintenance.
-All this while the US worker pays tax, medical insurance, doesn’t get rent assistance etc.

Feel free to do a search on my posts in this thread. Above is the basics, you’ll find more if you go looking.
 
The annoying thing is, you’re bringing up points that have already been shot down twenty times over in this thread alone. And because you’re a newfag dipshit who openly admits he doesn’t keep up with the thread, all you’re going to do is piss off the people that are tired of repeatedly having to debunk the standard-issue illegal-apologist defenses cumfarted out by the kind of middle class fuckwit who thinks open borders are neat.
Let me sum it up for you.

-Illegals are only ‘necessary’ for employers looking to exploit vulnerable people by paying substandard wages, normally in cash to avoid IRS scrutiny.
-Employers are able to legally hire H2A and H2B workers under US pay and conditions so those who choose to hire illegals do so purely for exploitative purposes.
-By exploiting these people, these employers degrade pay and conditions for American workers.
-Illegal workers don’t pay tax, get paid cash, send money ‘back home’ so it doesn’t benefit the economy, then claim tax credits, leech off emergency rooms, and claim benefits like rent assistance because their declared income is legally nil.
-Illegal workers’ families get to use roads, police, public schools, fire departments, public facilities, get help from FEMA etc despite not paying a goddamn cent towards their creation or maintenance.
-All this while the US worker pays tax, medical insurance, doesn’t get rent assistance etc.

Feel free to do a search on my posts in this thread. Above is the basics, you’ll find more if you go looking.
You can just say they are slaves but the cost to maintain them is exported to the public.
 
You can just say they are slaves but the cost to maintain them is exported to the public.
Absolutely. If you have locally hired workers on a higher rate of pay you can opt out of buying the produce they pick if you don’t like the price. That’s capitalism.
If illegals are involved, because they drain taxpayer money, you pay extra in tax and/or inflation whether you buy the products they produce or not.

Edit: I have a corollary belief about corporate support for ‘refugees’ and illegals in places like the EU, Britain, Canada and certain places in America (looking at you, Minnesota).
If you have a large enough population of nonproductive people who exist purely on taxpayer dollars, and they buy all their needs at places like Walmart, that is effectively a taxpayer-funded revenue stream for those places, ie a tax break. And when they pay fuck-all tax to begin with, twenty or thirty million people slapping down a hundred bucks in taxpayer dollars a week adds up fast.
 
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Absolutely. If you have locally hired workers on a higher rate of pay you can opt out of buying the produce they pick if you don’t like the price. That’s capitalism.
If illegals are involved, because they drain taxpayer money, you pay extra in tax and/or inflation whether you buy the products they produce or not.
It's same thing with Walmart workers. They are legal but Walmart pay so little that workers qualify for Medicare, SNAP and food stamps. It's a fucking corporate welfare.
 
Mexicans had an anti immigrant rally today
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I fucking hate how a lot of things, mainly businesses, just accept having rules about being bilingual when it comes to customer service and whatnot. Motherfucker, you are in America, and in America we speak English! I don't give a god damn about your gobbly-gook language that's not English.

These people are THE definition of entitled.
 
Oof, it’s like he doesn’t know that the core audience for pro wrestling is low IQ inbreds living in trailer parks. Hey Nash, your opinions are as fake and gay as the ‘sport’ that made you ‘famous’.
uhh.. not anymore? i'd say wrestling fans are 30 percent normies, 20 percent trailer parks, 20 percent kids, and 30 percent belong to the IWC, both left and right wing.
 
Trump has every ability to stop improving H 1B visas he snobbed the people are literally delusional and have Trump enslavement syndrome. Microsoft just fired 10,000 of its employees, and it gets all of its H-1B visas. Approved, even though that's 100 percent illegal.
Trump could call up his Is ICE secretary and say do not approve these, but he says go ahead and approve them and to get 99% of them approved.


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I was talking about manufacturing specifically. What Xbox is doing has yet to be confirmed that they are giving those jobs to H1B visa holders, were those jobs made null and void with the use of AI, or they see redundancy and merged various departments and cut the overage.
 
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uhh.. not anymore? i'd say wrestling fans are 30 percent normies, 20 percent trailer parks, 20 percent kids, and 30 percent belong to the IWC, both left and right wing.
Stop questioning my headcanon you lil shit

They are legal but Walmart pay so little that workers qualify for Medicare, SNAP and food stamps.
Ironic that one of the sponsors of the No Kings protest was a wal-mart heiress worth $20 million who’s never worked a day in her fucking life.

CORRECTION: $19 billion, not $20 million, which is the 1.9% of Wal-Mart she obtained through marriage to the son of Wal-Mart’s founder.
 
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cuts down on social program spending (medicaid most notably), increases the ICE budget by 20 times, increases the military budget, and cuts down on taxes (mostly for the rich).
Cutting down on social program spending is a valid means of alleviating the budget deficit but is negated by the tax cuts and increases in the budget in regards to the previously mentioned areas and a few others.
Nothing too substantial in my eyes since no matter what we're gonna have a massive budget deficit.
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cuts down on social program spending (medicaid most notably), increases the ICE budget by 20 times, increases the military budget, and cuts down on taxes (mostly for the rich).
Cutting down on social program spending is a valid means of alleviating the budget deficit but is negated by the tax cuts and increases in the budget in regards to the previously mentioned areas and a few others.
Nothing too substantial in my eyes since no matter what we're gonna have a massive budget deficit.
It's called gibs. I'm happy to see gibs reduced.
 
Did you even look at the bill itself

In what world does an immigration policing force need several magnitudes more funding than any branch of the fucking military lmao
Well, I ain’t no Soros-funded “immigration expert”. But I’d venture to say: In a world where politicians have kicked the can of illegal immigration down the road for decades, leading to an illegal population in the tens of millions?

And yeah, the military vastly overfunded. Not going to argue there. In a sane world, the Pentagon budget would be cut to 2-300 million.

But I think it’s remarkable that you can get worked up over “OMG DAT ICE BUDGET IS INSAAAAANE”, but afaik you didn’t say a peep about illegal immigration for decades.

You should save your real outrage for the fact that people can come to the US illegally, stay for decades, get a drivers license, have kids BUY A FUCKING HOUSE, without ever having had a visa or green card.
 
To be fair, if I get what I want, which is heavyhanded legislation on wages and worker's rights across the board to not only get illegals out of these jobs but make the jobs actually appealing to American citizens, and if you get what *you* want, which is deporting illegals in general, we'll both be happy.
The way you get the jobs to appeal to Americans is by getting illegals out and paying them properly. Then you have to target teachers and the high school to college debt pipeline. A lot of teachers will demonize other avenues to success in favor of going to college at any cost and when people are very young and not fully capable of such decisions.
My only issue really is demonizing them as if the illegals are the source of the problem, like they're unstoppable swarms of demons or some shit. They aren't. Follow the ROI reports
They are a source of the problem. Yes the corpos, farmers, etc. that hire them are equally to blame but having an available pool of menial workers willing to undercut the populace is equally to blame.
 
-Illegals aren’t limited to Texas.
-They have more to lose and less economic incentive than citizens to commit crime.
-Any act of criminal violence committed by an illegal is an act that would not have occurred had the illegal not been in the country.

Just in your first few lines you’ve used the appeal to authority fallacy then backed it up with ludicrously retarded horseshit sharted out by biased researchers.

Lurk more or fuck off.
And let's not forget that the "citizen homicide" rate is grossly inflated by the horrific rate at which blacks murder each other. Only around a quarter of homicides are committed by white Americans. Half are committed by blacks, while a quarter are committed by Hispanics. The homicide rate of white Americans is about the same as Europe, around 1.1-1.4 per 100K people, depending on year (Biden stopped publishing these numbers). So the reality is illegals commit murder at around 3x the rate of white Americans. This is supposed to be acceptable? Desirable, even?

To be fair, if I get what I want, which is heavyhanded legislation on wages and worker's rights across the board to not only get illegals out of these jobs but make the jobs actually appealing to American citizens

It's already illegal to pay illegals the low wage they're getting dumbass, especially when you factor in that only half of them even file tax returns at all, and the ones that do only do so in order to get federal benefits. That's why they're illegals. Because their employers break the law. You know what even stiffer wage regulations with zero border enforcement gets you? More illegals. Let's just see how our existing wage regulations do when American employers don't have the safety valve of just hiring Central Americans for below minimum wage.
 
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They are a source of the problem. Yes the corpos, farmers, etc. that hire them are equally to blame but having an available pool of menial workers willing to undercut the populace is equally to blame.
what also got overlooked is that farms need seasonal labor, they're not housing workers all years to watch shit grow. which also means they don't have to stay all year in the states at all - and with proper wage will still be more than they make at home.
 
Did you even look at the bill itself

In what world does an immigration policing force need several magnitudes more funding than any branch of the fucking military lmao
We have around 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, which means there is about 1 illegal for every 30 citizens. That is an absolutely insane ratio to have in a country and any long term plans on handling the issue usually ends when a Democrat in office. Having a budget to hire the manpower to needed to handle the issue once and for all in a single presidential term is pretty much the only option we have at this point.
 
You can just say they are slaves but the cost to maintain them is exported to the public.
I would honestly rather companies just be honest about it.

Shit lets go all in and do the Dubi model. Ship them in, make them live in squalor, take their passport, limit their travel, make it illegal to have children, ship them out after a bit, and never ever consider them citizens. Ripe the mask off and do it correctly if you are gonna do it at all.
 
The way you get the jobs to appeal to Americans is by getting illegals out and paying them properly. Then you have to target teachers and the high school to college debt pipeline. A lot of teachers will demonize other avenues to success in favor of going to college at any cost and when people are very young and not fully capable of such decisions.

They are a source of the problem. Yes the corpos, farmers, etc. that hire them are equally to blame but having an available pool of menial workers willing to undercut the populace is equally to blame.
I’m remembering the story of a teacher telling a student to study otherwise he’d become a garbage man. The garbage man tells the student that he earns double the teachers salary and doesn’t take work home.
 
We have around 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, which means there is about 1 illegal for every 30 citizens. That is an absolutely insane ratio to have in a country and any long term plans on handling the issue usually ends when a Democrat in office. Having a budget to hire the manpower to needed to handle the issue once and for all in a single presidential term is pretty much the only option we have at this point.
its more like 20 million. that 11 million figure has been thrown about my whole life. it might have been correct in 2003 but is way below the mark now. Biden alone let in millions.
 
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