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Should be a wild four years.

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To be fair, if I get what I want, which is heavyhanded legislation on wages and worker's rights across the board to not only get illegals out of these jobs but make the jobs actually appealing to American citizens, and if you get what *you* want, which is deporting illegals in general, we'll both be happy.
The way you get the jobs to appeal to Americans is by getting illegals out and paying them properly. Then you have to target teachers and the high school to college debt pipeline. A lot of teachers will demonize other avenues to success in favor of going to college at any cost and when people are very young and not fully capable of such decisions.
My only issue really is demonizing them as if the illegals are the source of the problem, like they're unstoppable swarms of demons or some shit. They aren't. Follow the ROI reports
They are a source of the problem. Yes the corpos, farmers, etc. that hire them are equally to blame but having an available pool of menial workers willing to undercut the populace is equally to blame.
 
-Illegals aren’t limited to Texas.
-They have more to lose and less economic incentive than citizens to commit crime.
-Any act of criminal violence committed by an illegal is an act that would not have occurred had the illegal not been in the country.

Just in your first few lines you’ve used the appeal to authority fallacy then backed it up with ludicrously retarded horseshit sharted out by biased researchers.

Lurk more or fuck off.
And let's not forget that the "citizen homicide" rate is grossly inflated by the horrific rate at which blacks murder each other. Only around a quarter of homicides are committed by white Americans. Half are committed by blacks, while a quarter are committed by Hispanics. The homicide rate of white Americans is about the same as Europe, around 1.1-1.4 per 100K people, depending on year (Biden stopped publishing these numbers). So the reality is illegals commit murder at around 3x the rate of white Americans. This is supposed to be acceptable? Desirable, even?

To be fair, if I get what I want, which is heavyhanded legislation on wages and worker's rights across the board to not only get illegals out of these jobs but make the jobs actually appealing to American citizens

It's already illegal to pay illegals the low wage they're getting dumbass, especially when you factor in that only half of them even file tax returns at all, and the ones that do only do so in order to get federal benefits. That's why they're illegals. Because their employers break the law. You know what even stiffer wage regulations with zero border enforcement gets you? More illegals. Let's just see how our existing wage regulations do when American employers don't have the safety valve of just hiring Central Americans for below minimum wage.
 
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They are a source of the problem. Yes the corpos, farmers, etc. that hire them are equally to blame but having an available pool of menial workers willing to undercut the populace is equally to blame.
what also got overlooked is that farms need seasonal labor, they're not housing workers all years to watch shit grow. which also means they don't have to stay all year in the states at all - and with proper wage will still be more than they make at home.
 
Did you even look at the bill itself

In what world does an immigration policing force need several magnitudes more funding than any branch of the fucking military lmao
We have around 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, which means there is about 1 illegal for every 30 citizens. That is an absolutely insane ratio to have in a country and any long term plans on handling the issue usually ends when a Democrat in office. Having a budget to hire the manpower to needed to handle the issue once and for all in a single presidential term is pretty much the only option we have at this point.
 
You can just say they are slaves but the cost to maintain them is exported to the public.
I would honestly rather companies just be honest about it.

Shit lets go all in and do the Dubi model. Ship them in, make them live in squalor, take their passport, limit their travel, make it illegal to have children, ship them out after a bit, and never ever consider them citizens. Ripe the mask off and do it correctly if you are gonna do it at all.
 
The way you get the jobs to appeal to Americans is by getting illegals out and paying them properly. Then you have to target teachers and the high school to college debt pipeline. A lot of teachers will demonize other avenues to success in favor of going to college at any cost and when people are very young and not fully capable of such decisions.

They are a source of the problem. Yes the corpos, farmers, etc. that hire them are equally to blame but having an available pool of menial workers willing to undercut the populace is equally to blame.
I’m remembering the story of a teacher telling a student to study otherwise he’d become a garbage man. The garbage man tells the student that he earns double the teachers salary and doesn’t take work home.
 
We have around 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, which means there is about 1 illegal for every 30 citizens. That is an absolutely insane ratio to have in a country and any long term plans on handling the issue usually ends when a Democrat in office. Having a budget to hire the manpower to needed to handle the issue once and for all in a single presidential term is pretty much the only option we have at this point.
its more like 20 million. that 11 million figure has been thrown about my whole life. it might have been correct in 2003 but is way below the mark now. Biden alone let in millions.
 
We have around 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, which means there is about 1 illegal for every 30 citizens. That is an absolutely insane ratio to have in a country and any long term plans on handling the issue usually ends when a Democrat in office. Having a budget to hire the manpower to needed to handle the issue once and for all in a single presidential term is pretty much the only option we have at this point.
And 11 million is low end estimate, is it not?

God bless Stephen Miller. He must have had an absolutely euphoric July 4th.
 
Christ, I remember why I don't really come to this forum much anymore. It's so disheartening to read shit like this because you genuinely can't discern if this is a troll or a very, very damaged person.
It's not a troll, or a damaged person to want the border guarded, and our population to be protected. And no one is twisting your arm you fucking faggot.
 
It'd probably take two-three generations here to undo that deeply ingrained "culture".
Yes, I'm sure that a country whose government is openly puppeted by one of the most violent cartels in modern history is gonna get right on correcting problematic behavior
 
Christ, I remember why I don't really come to this forum much anymore. It's so disheartening to read shit like this because you genuinely can't discern if this is a troll or a very, very damaged person.
This thread is uniquely full of murdergooners circlejerking and sharing their violent fantasies. it's essentially kf/the_donald, a containment thread. Most users on this website aren't like that.
 
Wrong. Studies that claim this cherry-pick only those illegal aliens so identified at the time of arrest. Many of them aren't identified until they've been in prison for a while.

Illegals are slightly more murderous:
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And a lot more rapey:
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While liberals reflexively support anything that results in more rapes, especially rapes of kids (Mexicans commit child sex crimes at horrific rapes...well, rates that horrify normal people, not liberals), and outright celebrate them when brown people commit them, Texas has enough rapes and murders already. It doesn't need more.
And consider the vast amount of illegal crime that goes unreported, especially to illegal children...
I live in a place right next to Tacostan, every single thing you hear about how many gibs and privileges illegals get is one hundred percent true. As is how they shit up everywhere they go because, crazy thought here, the people who make up a country are the reason that country sucks. And Mexico fucking sucks, quod est superius est sicut quod inferius, et quod inferius est sicut quod est superius send them back and build the wall.
No habla Ingles... EBT? EBT? *points sausage finger at slop as the anchor babies throw shit around my perfectly fine deli*
 
Did you even look at the bill itself

In what world does an immigration policing force need several magnitudes more funding than any branch of the fucking military lmao
The ICE funding is for 10 a year period. Military budgets are yearly.

Please take this information into your brain as it could help you remember that when you hear something that "sounds crazy" it's probably because it's wrong.
 
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