Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

it's really hard not to a-log about all these people when you work in a field that forces you to deal with them.
Reading health professionals deal with them is the best way to waste an hour. The sheer amount of loathing and aggravation one must have towards these literal waste-of-beds must be palpable.

Reminder: Multiple ICD-10 codes apply to this population, and it must be the ultimate, self-gratifying insult to smack them with this while discharging from the hospital and billing.
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(Z76* also includes self-harming behavior, and drug-seeking behavior).
 
Does anyone remeber Lacey Spears? She's that terrible one who pretended to be a mommy blogger/facebook ebegger/wordpress whiner for a chronically ill toddler...but then she ended up killing him for real by poisoning him with salt. :(

http://www.lohud.com/story/news/inv...acey-spears-past-disturbing-stories/10659539/


MBP is the worst case scenario with munchies. Usually these people start out factitious- hypochondriacs, lying about being ill. they graduate to MAKING themselves ill or committing fraud online.

women with factitious disorders are very likely, if they have a kid, to be affected by hormonal swings after the pregnancy. this manifests in MBP against the kid/s. most simply keep the kids sick- Gypsy and Dee, for a good example- but some progress to killing the kid. Mary Beth Tinning enjoyed the attention so much, she killed nine.


MBP is horrifying. MBI? hilarious, but these people waste SO MUCH time and energy with medical workers. they clog things up for actual sick folks. /no a-log, no power level

ok brief a-log. adding the factitious/malingering code to someone's chart is a daymaker
 
Just for shit and giggles I decided to search MeFi to see what's been posted about Kaycee Nicole in the intervening years.

I found a lot of "well it couldn't happen now, in the age of social media and with so many public records online" posts. It's an interesting and flawed assumption, and I think that the reverse is true.
 
I found a lot of "well it couldn't happen now, in the age of social media and with so many public records online" posts. It's an interesting and flawed assumption, and I think that the reverse is true.

That's why these people try to falsify records. Not only that, but you could have a real record of a munchie going to the Hospital, that doesn't mean the "symptoms" they're having are real though.
 
Is this specifically a 1st world countries thing or are there cases in places like maroc or philippines?

It's not exactly the same thing, but there's a long history of beggars in third world countries disfiguring themselves or being disfigured by their bosses in order to elicit more donations.

Generally speaking, though, when you're at subsistence level malingering is a luxury you can't afford. It doesn't even get you a couple of nights off the streets and a few meals like faking an illness might if you're a homeless person in the developed world.
 
Ah, the glorious insanity of the Munchie community. Here's a tip to find good content: Google "fibromyalgia" or "chronic fatigue syndrome" or any other high-medication, low-evidence disease and see a slurry of some possible sufferers with a few issues mixed with absolute lying addicts with 500 other totally improbable comorbidities. And yes, they're mostly pasty, unemployed females.

Here, let's try it with the latest posted in Tumblr tags!

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Oh bullshit do any of these girls have CFS. If it never stops you from doing g any of the things you do want to do (or feel you absolutely have to) but conveniently keeps you lounging elegantly in bed every time someone expects anything slightly difficult of you, you do not have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. If you actually have the desire to take cute pj-clad selfies, never mind the energy, you are not actually that fatigued, and why do you want to immortalise wasting yet another day in bed in glorious high definition anyway? If you have CFS bad enough to keep you in bed all day you will be unable to sit up unaided (because if you could you could get out of fucking bed, you lazy mare), you will have to be helped to the bathroom and to drink, and you will probably have trouble keeping your eyes open. Even turning over in bed is a logistical fucking nightmare requiring three or four distinct stages. All this in a person who can still hold down a job. You sleep the symptoms off and then you get on with it like everyone else.

Dark circles, ladies. You want to fake this shitty condition 50% of people think is bullshit nonsense in the first place, you need to look like you haven't slept for a fucking week. And that means trading dewy-eyed glamor shots among artfully rumpled sheets for looking like a hungover panda who's slept in a skip.
 
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So I'm interested in these fakers, and have been for years, especially when it comes to cancer. The comparative victimhood seems to revolve around autoimmune disorders, but the scam and attention hogging often goes to people who fake cancer.

Tracy Dart faked breast cancer for over a decade. She became nationally known in cancer circles, starting Team Tracy to raise funds for Komen (those whores will take money from anybody). Team Tracy was all over the West Coast. She supposedly raised 400k for Komen, but many people gave her cash and checks made out to her alone, and there is supposedly much more that she stole. She didn't work for years, but partied a lot -so much that she died of cirrhosis of the liver in her early 40s. There were vids of her slurring at cancer events.

She faked her cancer three times, but never gave real details. She said she had a lumpectomy and oral chemo (nope, there is only one and it's not for early stage) ) She lost her hair but you don't lose hair on that drug. She said cancer kept coming back, the second time she and had another lumpectomy and radiation and "lost" her hair again. (Unless it's brain radiation, that doesn't cause hair loss). She shaved her head each time she faked cancer-people don't seem to know that most chemos don't cause hair loss. (if you are in the know about breast cancer treatment, her story is instantly suspicious but she fooled a lot of people who should have known). Then she got it a third time, and supposedly beat it again. No details about treatment, stages, histology, just baldness. And she was bald for a long time too, her shaver got a workout.

The entire Seattle community rallied behind her. She was on TV many times, went to meet Ellen DeGenerous (paid for by others) a local dealership gave her a car, and there were personal fundraisers that raised tens of thousands for medical bills. She was honored with dinners and awards. She was pretty much the poster girl for breast cancer and pink ribbons in Seattle.

It all came crashing down when her sister took her to chemo. IIRC, Tracy went in, her sister waited outside. Later her sister went in asking for her-and nobody had ever heard of her. Word got out that she'd never had cancer, and an investigation started about where the funds went, but she conveniently drank herself to death before they finished. It was determined that she had never had cancer and has stolen money but nobody to prosecute. She probably would have gone to jail.

If you search for Tracy Dart her tweets are still there, and various articles and things of interest. It just goes to show show people often don't use their heads. Anybody who has been though cancer treatment should have figured out she was slippery so it's interesting to me that those who'd had the disease supported her and didn't question her. Most took her at her word and were horrified at her lies. A lot of people said they would never donate to cancer charities again because of Tracy.

Worse is the story of Belle Gibson. Tracy sole valor and money but she did encourage people to get cancer treatment. Belle lied, pretending to have terminal brain cancer that was cured naturally, and started a wellness community, where she promoted woo treatments like enemas , diet and oxygen therapy. She actively encouraged cancer patients to not do chemo, calling it poison. She got a book deal with Penguin and had a lot of success with her blogs. She made a lot of money, which she'd raised to donate to charity. She did not and an investigation started.

It came crashing down and she admitted on the Australian version of 60 Minutes that she'd never had cancer. Who knows how many people did not get treatment because of her lies? Tracy took people's trust, Belle no doubt took people's lives. Orac on ScienceBlogs has written about her and others like her for those interested in cancer-related woo. (I've been following these nuts for years).

There are more...
 
Ah Christ, my bestfriends mother has "lupus", which apperently makes you sarcastically bitchy on holidays, Facebook all day and makes your yorkies more important then your grandkids. Yes, she's white and jobless.
Its a real disease and it kills people I dont know if your bestfriends Mother really has it or internet dx'd herself.
 
Oh yeah, totally aware of actual lupus, that's why I said she had "lupus". I think it started out as "lymes disease" when I first heard about it, then "fibromyalgia". Now all she does is post stuff about medical marijuana, so I'm sure next I hear about it she'll have a "brain tumor".

Don't get me wrong, I actually like this woman, but it illustrates to me what the people in this thread strive for: beautifully cursed. Blameless hardship.
 
Ah Christ, my bestfriends mother has "lupus", which apperently makes you sarcastically bitchy on holidays, Facebook all day and makes your yorkies more important then your grandkids. Yes, she's white and jobless.

Lupus can be pretty awful, but it does go through flare-ups and periods where it's fairly dormant and the sufferers feel normal.
 
Oh yeah, totally aware of actual lupus, that's why I said she had "lupus". I think it started out as "lymes disease" when I first heard about it, then "fibromyalgia". Now all she does is post stuff about medical marijuana, so I'm sure next I hear about it she'll have a "brain tumor".

Don't get me wrong, I actually like this woman, but it illustrates to me what the people in this thread strive for: beautifully cursed. Blameless hardship.
Thats awful she puts herself through this, if she really had it she would regret it. Has she been to a therapist about this or do people kind of tip-toe around the issue they think she is faking it.
 
Her daughter and I have been friends since highscool and her mom was always one of those "buddy moms". Everyone moving out and on, plus having their own kids I think made her say "what about me?", so every few years she was sick with something else.
 
Worse is the story of Belle Gibson. Tracy sole valor and money but she did encourage people to get cancer treatment. Belle lied, pretending to have terminal brain cancer that was cured naturally, and started a wellness community, where she promoted woo treatments like enemas , diet and oxygen therapy. She actively encouraged cancer patients to not do chemo, calling it poison. She got a book deal with Penguin and had a lot of success with her blogs. She made a lot of money, which she'd raised to donate to charity. She did not and an investigation started.

It came crashing down and she admitted on the Australian version of 60 Minutes that she'd never had cancer. Who knows how many people did not get treatment because of her lies? Tracy took people's trust, Belle no doubt took people's lives. Orac on ScienceBlogs has written about her and others like her for those interested in cancer-related woo. (I've been following these nuts for years).

There are more...

Belle Gibson gives me the rage. I happened to be in Australia when it was blowing up and caught there 60 Minutes program investigating her and god what a cunt, though I loved the journalist that grilled her proper. (I'm sure the program would be on YouTube) Taking advantage of naive, kind hearted people is bad, but encouraging people to follow woo new age bullshit when they have possible terminal illness is basically unforgivable and she should be in prison. IIRC she wouldn't even admit her fraud and tried to claim some aura reading new age quack "diagnosised" her with cancer, not an actual doctor of any kind, but she REALLY believed it.

A lot of people get the shock of horrible cancer diagnosis and it's overwhelming and the science behind treatment can be hard to understand for a layperson, so some pretty chirpy blond spouting platitudes about curing yourself via healthy food, positive thinking and other nonsense can be very alluring to uninformed people faced with "we are going to basically poison your body with radiation/chemicals to hopefully kill the cancer but not you."
 
Somsnosa said:
Is this specifically a 1st world countries thing or are there cases in places like maroc or philippines?
It's not exactly the same thing, but there's a long history of beggars in third world countries disfiguring themselves or being disfigured by their bosses in order to elicit more donations.

Generally speaking, though, when you're at subsistence level malingering is a luxury you can't afford. It doesn't even get you a couple of nights off the streets and a few meals like faking an illness might if you're a homeless person in the developed world.
While I agree that when youre a handfull of rice away from starving you're probably not getting amusement out of faking an illness. Not all people in so called third world countries are that destitute .A lot of people in my surroundings are "exotic"/married to it. And I can assure you lots of folks are boring the family and neighbours with made up health shit. Eating and injecting entire pharmacies. Allways to weak to be of use but never to tired to get their fat ass of the couch to do take a trip to some shrine or a luxury spa in some desert or mountain region. Munchausen by proxy I never really saw unless you count a few idiots that managed to convince people their kids where "possessed" or somehow where cursed by someone.
 
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Somsnosa said: Munchausen by proxy I never really saw unless you count a few idiots that managed to convince people their kids where "possessed" or somehow where cursed by someone.

I think that's a good point.

There are other ways to be "special" that get you attention in many parts of the developing world, whether it's the demonic/possession route or some variation on the shaman theme. It sounds kind of primitive but it's really no different than people who get attention as New Age healers or "psychics"; often there's still a deep cultural connection to those beliefs even among "modernised" residents and that has a limiting effect on skepticism.
 
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