Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[mindlessobserver]

Null's tranny voice makes me unironically MATI. Maybe it's because he's way too convincing?

Given that both sides in the Sony v. Cox case have cited Greer v. Moon in their respective filings, it certainly feels like something that's within the USIPS wheelhouse. Greer v. Moon, whilst ostensibly a copyright case, was (and still is) an attack against free speech where spurious DCMA requests have been weaponized.

Hardin being at the coal face of this shitshow would make him the most qualified person currently dealing with the US legal system to file an Amicus.

The other thing to consider is that whilst there will be costs borne to produce the Amicus, Hardin's position on the USIPS board implies (to me at least) that he plans on doing this work for USIPS pro-bono. Whilst it still won't be cheap, it could still be way less expensive than it would be if external counsel was needed (i.e. it may only cost 5 figures to jump into Sony v. Cox instead of 6 figures).

I guess we'll know if/when USIPS has an IOLTA set up.

I'm still not a lawyer, just some bozo who's never even set foot in the USA

Null says he want to pay for it with membership subscriptions for USIPS

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I'm kinda surprised the SCoTUS didn't take the case originally for the fact that it created a circuit split, if I'm not mistaken. I can never understand why they don't want to resolve those when they happen. How the hell can one thing have more than one meaning that is just based on geography, that is not how federal law is supposed to work! In fact that is the exact opposite of how federal law is supposed to work since it is supposed to be applied to everyone, everywhere evenly.

There are quite a few circuit splits at any given time; the Supremes only take it up when they finally feel they are ready (or enough agree they'll get the answer they want).

Read Thomas's writings, he almost always brings up either a split they should visit or a decision that needs revisiting.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Not that I'm expecting Hardin to work for free, obviously, but the chance to appear in front of the Supreme Court is pretty huge and worth something in and of itself, isn't it?

 

[mindlessobserver]

Not that I'm expecting Hardin to work for free, obviously, but the chance to appear in front of the Supreme Court is pretty huge and worth something in and of itself, isn't it?

That's not really what Amicus Briefs are. He would just be writing what is essentially a legal briefing to the justices to help inform their decision. It would still be cool for his name to be on the record though.

 

[DavidS877]

Not that I'm expecting Hardin to work for free, obviously, but the chance to appear in front of the Supreme Court is pretty huge and worth something in and of itself, isn't it?

As Jersh pointed out the big cost is getting it printed and formatted in the required way for the SCOTUS.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

As Jersh pointed out the big cost is getting it printed and formatted in the required way for the SCOTUS.

I still believe Russell filed a reply to Null's supreme court appeal in improper format so it was never docketed, but Russell probably still believes the judges read it and his epic takedown of Null and Hardin is the sole reason the case wasn't taken!

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

As Jersh pointed out the big cost is getting it printed and formatted in the required way for the SCOTUS.

The SCoTUS needs to unclench and realize that small variations in formatting isn't going to get anyone killed.

 

[HackerX]

The SCoTUS needs to unclench and realize that small variations in formatting isn't going to get anyone killed.

Tell that to @Potentially Criminal. I think he's about to have an aneurysm whenever he starts going through Russ's filings.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Tell that to @Potentially Criminal. I think he's about to have an aneurysm whenever he starts going through Russ's filings.

It's hard to compare the two. I'm talking about tolerating going 5 mph over the speed limit. Russ's filings are the equivalent of a truck of peace making an appearance at the field day for the collective local special education pre-schools.

 

[The Repeated Meme]

Basic summary from Null is that if the Supreme Court responds and agrees that the 10th circuit decision was retarded, that could just vacate Greer v. Moon forever. He and Hardin need money though since filing anything with the Supreme Court requires going through a specific printing press to format everything correctly that charges out the ass.

Wouldn't it be trivial to train an ai model on all the formatting rules and just feed your filings into it and it spits it out with all the correct formatting? This sounds like the kind of stuff AI was made for.

Hell maybe even not ai; just a hard-coded program with all the rules. That couldn't be too hard, right? What so special about this printing press that couldn't be recreated with a simple program?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Hell maybe even not ai; just a hard-coded program with all the rules. That couldn't be too hard, right? What so special about this printing press that couldn't be recreated with a simple program?

It's less the specific textual formatting and more the actual paper, printing, etc.

Part of it is tradition, and a bigger part of it is literal gatekeeping - if your blather isn't important enough for you to scrounge up $5-10k it's not important enough for the most important court in the world to deign to notice.

 

[mindlessobserver]

It's less the specific textual formatting and more the actual paper, printing, etc.

Part of it is tradition, and a bigger part of it is literal gatekeeping - if your blather isn't important enough for you to scrounge up $5-10k it's not important enough for the most important court in the world to deign to notice.

its unconstitutional for the Supreme Court to prohibit people from petitioning it. Petitioning the government is a right.

But the constitution is very vague on HOW you can Petition lol

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

its unconstitutional for the Supreme Court to prohibit people from petitioning it. Petitioning the government is a right.

But the constitution is very vague on HOW you can Petition lol

This is why when you see a movie that has an idealistic future settings, one of the things they mention is shooting all the politicians and lawyers was a necessary part of the process to reach a utopian state (all lawyers and those in the legal profession on KF are exempt from that, you guys are fighting the good fight. I give no exception for any politicians here on KF, hang the fuckers high!")

 

[Gorton Colu]

This is why when you see a movie that has an idealistic future settings, one of the things they mention is shooting all the politicians and lawyers was a necessary part of the process to reach a utopian state (all lawyers and those in the legal profession on KF are exempt from that, you guys are fighting the good fight. I give no exception for any politicians here on KF, hang the fuckers high!"

Except those utopian societies are fictional and the more likely outcome is even more dystopia. New bureaucrats will replace the old pretty quickly.

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

As Jersh pointed out the big cost is getting it printed and formatted in the required way for the SCOTUS.

Not if you are IFP. I've heard it's fun and easy to just fake it. Just say all your cash is reserved for your business.

 

[obsdj]

its unconstitutional for the Supreme Court to prohibit people from petitioning it. Petitioning the government is a right.

But the constitution is very vague on HOW you can Petition lol

I have seen some WILDLY janky petitions in the SCOTUS docket, including handwritten ones. There's one right now that was just distributed for conference in the fall. Here's another petition that most definitely did not go through the fancy printing press. Petitions from IFP folks presumably get a little more grace. But Hardin's amicus brief is neither IFP nor a petition, so I guess he has to jump through the hoops.

 

[Harvey Danger]

I have seen some WILDLY janky petitions in the SCOTUS docket, including handwritten ones. There's one right now that was just distributed for conference in the fall.

This is amazing. It's less coherent, a little nuts, yet more respectful and slightly better formatted than the typical Greer filing.

He's got more citations in his first paragraph than Greer's had in his last 5 filings.


His reasons why the court should rule for him are pure Greer.

 

[Mikoyan]

I'm not sure that petitions from prisoners count. They feel like kind of a meme to me.

 

[a hapless toad]

Greer would be a hilarious jailhouse lawyer.

 

[thegunbuilderguy]

This is amazing. It's less coherent, a little nuts, yet more respectful and slightly better formatted than the typical Greer filing.

He's got more citations in his first paragraph than Greer's had in his last 5 filings.
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His reasons why the court should rule for him are pure Greer.

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was the guy a comic artist or something? I swear i've seen this writing in at least a dozen different comics, it's uncanny how close it is