The video directly says that the issue stems from IP laws, copyrights and patents, and that the issue could be mitigated if IP was reformed if not abolished entirely. But for some reason suggesting this offends people.
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That's a great idea and should happen. The problem is that's a lot harder to do and much further along than what SKG is trying to achieve. If anything, SKG pushes further towards that end goal.
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Because it's absolutely absurd and bringing it up right now ONLY serves to throw water on the only thing going on that is moving things in a positive direction.movements are made one step at a time. the prolife movement is by far the most successful grassroots movement in the us and they win by going after abortion in increments. saying skg doesnt go far enough isnt wrong, but that is a conversation to have after the signing period for the initative is closed.
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Jesus this shit makes me MATI. I can't fucking stand Mald smugly playing the victim and I ESPECIALLY can't stand lolberts defending the rights of the corpos to rape us to death unless we completely demolish copyright/IP laws WHILE parroting Mald's worthless mouth diarrhea as justification.
I'll keep the politisperg brief: IP law REFORM is what we need instead of a Chinese wild west wasteland. SKG is, if successful, the kind of reform and regulation we NEED. God, fuck lolberts man, this shit pushed me over the edge.
I'll keep the politisperg brief: IP law REFORM is what we need instead of a Chinese wild west wasteland. SKG is, if successful, the kind of reform and regulation we NEED. God, fuck lolberts man, this shit pushed me over the edge.
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It would certainly be a strawman to say the libertarian wants us to do "Nothing!"
I think whoever suggested the game be made public domain along with the EoL plan is onto comething and would be a good compromise. But nothing more than that can be accepted by the general populace, I think.
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>A corporation did something I hated. This radicalized me into becoming an anarcho-capitalistWhy would you ever admit that your politics came from losing a video game
I mean, nothing wrong with that, just, you probably shouldn't have shared this publicly
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
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I think the problem with most internet lolberts is that they're actually just Neoliberals who've memorized enough of Libertarian language and ideology to make their bootlicking sound like it's edgy and anti-statist when most of it just amounts to concern trolling to protect the government-corporate alliance.
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He's trying to use the pokemon fangame as an example of the principle of anti-IP. Nothing wrong with that really, I just found the comparison really funny. Perhaps this is how we get a libertarian Gen Alpha or Gen Z.
LiquidZulu is very experienced in the trenches of debating with other nobodies, check his stream history to see what I mean.
How is not advocating for IP reform, which only helps in the cause of SKG's mission, not moving things in a positive direction?
A lot of instances of games getting killed and fans not being able to revive them stem from intellectual property rights. Fan efforts are a massive part of media preservation and they are constantly sabotaged by lawsuits. Even Ross has seen instances of games being put back in their grave by their IP owners, such as when Atlus sued a fan for attempting to recreate their MMO's.
I don't understand this sudden antagonism towards IP reform, which only helps to actually contribute to the survival of games.
I understand you guys are rightfully angry at corporations taking away your goods, but don't forget that these same corporations using IP laws as often to squash potential competition.
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Millions must sign!
Wish as an American I could help out but I've told my European friends online to sign it, "I'm doing my part!" I guess lol
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Intellectual property is by the guberment, the guberment bad, therefore become lolbert.
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it offends some people because whatever you wrote there sounds like pussy shit no one cares about.
that talking point won't rally people together in a room, the minute you say "ermm the main issue stems from IP law and-"
Bitch, you'll put people to sleep
fuck these faggots killing games, fuck mald
that's how the goal was met, through these simple Ideas that anyone can understand
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as an example of why this is a bullshit concern: Team Fortress 2 had a very bad bot problem in its official servers 2-3 years ago and Valve did not give a shit until they got reviewbombed at which point they updated the game for the first time in years to make their servers at least serviceable (it was years of cheating bots that would spam earrape and vote kicks on legitimate players before that), and during those years it were the community servers that were being moderated.
nowadays if you play on the casual servers it's still not moderated in terms of "problematic content and behavior", you'll have people running around with swastikas screaming every slur imaginable with borderline illegal shit sprayed onto walls and Valve has shirked the responsibility of moderating their own servers to the players themselves through the votekick menu anyway.
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I don't think you understand, is not being against IP reform: it's being realistic with the cards we have.
Trying to push IP reform with SKG will just kill the movement, because that's a massive threat to corporations. The idea of SKG is to have a much needed regulation that will help with pushing IP Reform in the future.
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Another problem I just realised with the video response from LiquidZulu is that he's inserting his libertarian utopia into the movement. The more people are allowed to come in and insert what they think SKG is about, the less focused the movement becomes. Sound familiar?
Ross definitely should be careful of ideologues lest they shit on the movement he created, steal it from him and destroy it from within.
Ross definitely should be careful of ideologues lest they shit on the movement he created, steal it from him and destroy it from within.
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Nobody is against IP reform. That's a strawman you keep arguing against. We're arguing about attempt to derail the conversation to IP reform and steer people away from what they're currently doing because it's "not good enough."
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It seemed like no one cared about the common practice of killing games until Ross brought it up. You are unintentionally advocating for never discussing problems in the world unless they become trendy.
This might be an extreme comparison, but this is like arguing that no one should mention mental health because it's boring and makes people sleep, and we should push for reducing crime by compromising the 2nd Amendment and push for gun control because it's the most trendy movement.
I do agree that SKG is somewhat of a massive compromise to accommodate the intellectual properties of others. That's my one criticism I can give to SKG.
I think people severely overestimate how much SKG asks for. As of now, End-Of-Life is actually deliberately vague, which I agree is a good thing. The biggest part is essentially making the industry follow good practices during development. I think SKG starting this consumer movement is incredibly valuable, however the impact the policy itself will have on the gaming industry will be minimal, because, unlike what Pirate Software claims, SKG is actually incredibly forgiving given what they actually want to achieve.
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I'm unfamiliar with european IP law but you are deliberately omitting mention of how this is a goods and services issue. Having an IP is fine but if you sell a good to someone or accept money for a service, then it must be clear what exactly is happening. Essentially these companies must either concede the issue, or admit that they are feudalist, and don't care about players or games, only money.
That is the issue. Bringing up nebulous things that can be endlessly debated such as IP reform is not relevant. It makes you look like a stooge for the industry, because that is a job for Activision-Blizzard-Microsoft-Sony-Nintendo's lobbyists.
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I dunno if you'd count this one on a technicality, but Freespace 2 on Steam comes to mind. It's not as much the game is "inaccessible", but it relies on fanmade tools and programs to be made functional. If you go to the store page and look at the reviews, this is one of the first things you see:
Indeed, to play this game you paid money for on Steam, you need to download third-party software. The game may get a pass solely for its age, but there's no excuse to sell a broken product.
I would also extend this to pretty much every game that was released on Gaming For Windows Live. Not only are the servers no longer available, but the programs themselves don't play nice with modern operating systems. Something like MAG on the PS3 comes to mind as well. Hell, you can even use Concord as a modern example; it's a dogshit game, but the handful of people who paid $30 for it still deserve the ability to spin up a peer-to-peer match in the event they would want to play a game privately with their friends.
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