GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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I am actually just a little excited for next gen cards. Because of fucking Intel. Oh let it happen. Celestial, slap Nvidia's dick out of AMD's mouth and then let Druid curb stomp them both.

Kind of nice. I have not been looking forward to any hardware release in years.

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A snippet from Taiwanese social media platform PTT taken in November 2022 shows some thoughts about TSMC's American engineers shared by locals.

Uppity American swine trying to derail Taiwan's miracle factory. Sad.
I like the one comment from the bug person about an American having the gall to want to go home from work on time.
 
I am actually just a little excited for next gen cards. Because of fucking Intel. Oh let it happen. Celestial, slap Nvidia's dick out of AMD's mouth and then let Druid curb stomp them both.

Kind of nice. I have not been looking forward to any hardware release in years.
Do not count on Intel. They are likely to fumble. Lip Butane may not be as kind to the graphics division as Pat G was, and he's already cut thousands of jobs.

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I am feeling the Intel Arc Pro B50 though. A low profile 70W GPU with 16 GB VRAM, ostensibly for $300? Keep in mind that shitty RTX 3050 6GB low profile cards sell for $200 new:
 
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A snippet from Taiwanese social media platform PTT taken in November 2022 shows some thoughts about TSMC's American engineers shared by locals.

Uppity American swine trying to derail Taiwan's miracle factory. Sad.
All this seething from the bugs just makes me feel one thing - Goddamn I love being white.

(tbh if Intel wasn't in the absolute shitter right now financially they'd probably be poaching TSMC's Taiwanese engineers at a rate not seen since operation paperclip)

I like the one comment from the bug person about an American having the gall to want to go home from work on time.
TSMC is basically a cult in Taiwan. You should be on your knees thanking Morris Chang for the privilege of working 80 hours a week in the TSMC slave pits for a salary that a McDonald's general manager with a GED would turn his nose up at.
 
I like the one comment from the bug person about an American having the gall to want to go home from work on time.
Every Asian economic miracle, every single one of them, comes down to their entire population agreeing to never have families again and just work 80 hours weeks instead.

They've already fucked up their naming scheme, very impressive. Good job, Intel.
The Pro series has a different naming scheme. And yes, Lip Bu is going to destroy the company. That's what he's there to do.
 
Every Asian economic miracle, every single one of them, comes down to their entire population agreeing to never have families again and just work 80 hours weeks instead.
Sounds like Taiwan’s been truly ahead of all us with the AI server farms… the GPUs are just their own bug people who run on rice instead of nuclear powered electricity.
 
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Every Asian economic miracle, every single one of them, comes down to their entire population agreeing to never have families again and just work 80 hours weeks instead.
Don't forget the fiscal and monetary policies to depress wages and force unnaturally high savings rates so that the state-owned enterprise national champion has an ample supply of cheap labor and cheap loans with which to drive out foreign competitors in countries where workers actually have good jobs and are treated with dignity. I'm sure five decades of this won't totally blow up in our faces when the Americans inevitably get tired of this and elect a series of global trade hardliners.

Zhang went 30 years without a vacation and now he has to watch John Burgerman clock out at 5 to see his wife and kids while getting paid 2x as much.
 
Don't forget the fiscal and monetary policies to depress wages and force unnaturally high savings rates so that the state-owned enterprise national champion has an ample supply of cheap labor and cheap loans with which to drive out foreign competitors in countries where workers actually have good jobs and are treated with dignity. I'm sure five decades of this won't totally blow up in our faces when the Americans inevitably get tired of this and elect a series of global trade hardliners.

Zhang went 30 years without a vacation and now he has to watch John Burgerman clock out at 5 to see his wife and kids while getting paid 2x as much.
What happens when Confucian thought and Philosophy meets liberal democracy, you get a complete motherfucking disaster.
 
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I am actually just a little excited for next gen cards. Because of fucking Intel. Oh let it happen. Celestial, slap Nvidia's dick out of AMD's mouth and then let Druid curb stomp them both.
This will not happen next gen because AMD will put out a mid range 4090 competitor. While Intel's high end will be a 5070 competitor.
 
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This will not happen next gen because AMD will put out a mid range 4090 competitor. While Intel's high end will be a 5070 competitor.
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Well if I would have seen any signs pointing to that... But I have not.

Intel though made absolute shit for 1st gen. Then their 2nd gen was in budget category and matched pretty much the competition. If Intel leaps as much for their 3rd gen and keep prices down.

And it does not matter if 650 dollar mid range AMD competes with 4090 though... Which it will not. Or more like 900 dollar mid range if they actually compete with 4090. While Intel is pushing, maybe not making profit, their 5070 counter for 250.
 
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Doubt it. They'll probably drop something in between a 5080 and 4090 and fumble the pricing badly enough that itll be a dust collector
MLID put out a leak for a 9080 XT engineering sample that would use high clock speeds and GDDR7 to reach the 5080 (which is about +16% faster than the 9070 XT). It could be given 24 GB or 32 GB, and people might buy that for $1k. It would be a true and honest successor to the 7900 XTX.

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This Kepler_L2 leak asserts that RDNA5/UDNA1 will be +20% faster (raster) per compute unit. Not sure if that counts clock speed increases. So AMD could do nothing but put out another 64 CU model based on that (9070 XT has 64 CUs), and would reach that 5080/4090 level you're talking about. If they go to 96 CUs, they can beat the 4090.

RTX 6000 may or may not be based on Rubin, but whatever it is will probably use a TSMC N3 or N2 node for more substantial gains than Blackwell. Nobody is going to catch up to Nvidia's RTX 6090, 7090, etc. if they aren't making 600-750mm^2 dies or using multiple chiplets.
 
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9080 XT engineering sample that would use high clock speeds and GDDR7 to reach the 5080 (which is about +16% faster than the 9070 XT). It could be given 24 GB or 32 GB, and people might buy that for $1k. It would be a true and honest successor to the 7900 XTX.
I think $1000 is a bit too much for a hypothetical 9080 XT. $850 - 900 might be something that'd sell in good numbers though. But I don't personally expect AMD to release anything above a 9070 XT for a little while, who knows maybe they'll reveal something next year.

But if they did make a card that was between a 5080 and 4090 I would be seriously tempted to go for it, even though I don't want to do any upgrades until AM6 and DDR6 are available.
 
I think $1000 is a bit too much for a hypothetical 9080 XT. $850 - 900 might be something that'd sell in good numbers though. But I don't personally expect AMD to release anything above a 9070 XT for a little while, who knows maybe they'll reveal something next year.

But if they did make a card that was between a 5080 and 4090 I would be seriously tempted to go for it, even though I don't want to do any upgrades until AM6 and DDR6 are available.
People bought overpriced 9070 XT for $800+. AMD easily gets to charge $1k if they add 32 GB GDDR7 and make it 15% faster, since it will hook in some AI users. It would be around 5080 Super at best. Might include a die shrink to 3nm like Radeon VII. But I'd take 9080 XT plans with a grain of salt.

The UDNA leak seems much more plausible, but we'd have to wait longer. I'm excited to see how the reunification strategy impresses or disappoints. It could double raytracing performance and be used for PS6, acting as the new baseline for gaming in the 2030s (4090 Chads are safe to not upgrade).
 
This Kepler_L2 leak asserts that RDNA5/UDNA1 will be +20% faster (raster) per compute unit. Not sure if that counts clock speed increases. So AMD could do nothing but put out another 64 CU model based on that (9070 XT has 64 CUs), and would reach that 5080/4090 level you're talking about. If they go to 96 CUs, they can beat the 4090.
My point is that AMD will likely continue to follow the pattern of overpromising, underdelivering, and going with a retarded price that kills traction. 9070XT is lightning in a bottle that they only managed to capture with the fake MSRP they had at launch. I dont think AMD can recognize that the gpu market overall has been a shitshow pretty much ever since polaris/pascal.
 
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