Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[kazuhiro]

Can a british person explain what the first “treat” is supposed to be?

Abi's captions:


I vaguely think "got" and "fresh" may be zoomer-slang for hep.

 

[Dick Johnson]

That's been clear for a while. He's fully immersed himself in that what could be charitably described as a subculture. He even left his normal agency to sign up with a troon-run one, severly limiting his future potential of getting mainstream acting roles. He's also been doing more activism, although in typical Olly fashion only when it gets him closer to people who hold any sort of power. A far cry from that one interview some time ago where he went on about not following politics and not speaking about it because he's 'just an actress who likes acting teehee'.

I personally like to believe his extreme narcissism (and absurd levels of misogyny) has now finally scared off and alienated all women in his life, forcing him to only hang out with other troons.

Has Olly ever been confirmed to have dated a True and Honest woman?

The earliest GF I can think of that he was publicly associated with is Contrapoints. I'm sure he's dated women before, like when he was in school, but since he's gained YouChoob fame it seems like it's been all trans, all the time. He embodies the chaser-to-transition pipeline.

 

[scathefire]

Has Olly ever been confirmed to have dated a True and Honest woman?

The earliest GF I can think of that he was publicly associated with is Contrapoints. I'm sure he's dated women before, like when he was in school, but since he's gained YouChoob fame it seems like it's been all trans, all the time. He embodies the chaser-to-transition pipeline.

He had that girlfriend who he claimed abused him, didn’t he? That’s the only one I can recall off the top of my head. Unless that person was also a troon.

 

[kazuhiro]

He had that girlfriend who he claimed abused him, didn’t he?

 

[Traummaschine]

Can a british person explain what the first “treat” is supposed to be?

He copied Kay's recipe:

It's not butchering it, it's fine for an anglophone to pronounce it that way. If he'd said 'Sartray' or 'Sarter' then he'd be butchering it. If he'd given it the full throaty French 'r' then it would have sounded even more unbearably pretentious coming from Morgana's mouth.

It's fine for non-native speakers to butcher words and names of other languages, but wholeheartedly disagree with you here. Pronouncing it "Sacha" is a complete misunderstanding of how French is pronounced. An American with no understanding of it being a french name would not pronounce it like that. It's a proper butchering of the name.

Either way, the point was if "Philosophy Tube" would object to it being mispronounced such a way in his presence. A quick search gave me this example of how he pronounces it (or used to at least...):

At 46 secs in.

 

[The Jackal]

Can a british person explain what the first “treat” is supposed to be?

Fish/seafood in a cream-based sauce, covered with mashed potatoes.

It's fine for non-native speakers to butcher words and names of other languages, but wholeheartedly disagree with you here. Pronouncing it "Sacha" is a complete misunderstanding of how French is pronounced. An American with no understanding of it being a french name would not pronounce it like that. It's a proper butchering of the name.

Either way, the point was if "Philosophy Tube" would object to it being mispronounced such a way in his presence. A quick search gave me this example of how he pronounces it (or used to at least...):

OK, well if you really want to get into it:

Spoiler: Pronunciation sperging

He very clearly didn't say anything like 'sacha' (/sɑːtʃə/) He said 'sar-truh' (/sɑːrtrə/), which is in fact the nearest equivalent to the actual French 'Sartre' (/saʁtʁ/ - with an uvular 'r' sound) that is possible using English phonemes. Olly pronounces it the same way, but minus the American rhoticity of the 'r' - /sɑːtrə/. The word 'butchering' would suggest getting it completely and totally wrong, which is objectively not the case here as it would be impossible to get closer to the original pronunciation without employing a sound (ʁ) which does not exist in English. So no, in the context of one native English speaker talking to another native English speaker, it's completely fine.

Source: I am a native French speaker and I've spent the majority of my life living in Anglophone countries so I have listened to a lot of French being actually butchered in my time.

Yes, I deserve puzzle pieces, go ahead.

 

[woduqu]

Fish/seafood in a cream-based sauce, covered with mashed potatoes.


OK, well if you really want to get into it:

Spoiler: Pronunciation sperging

He very clearly didn't say anything like 'sacha' (/sɑːtʃə/) He said 'sar-truh' (/sɑːrtrə/), which is in fact the nearest equivalent to the actual French 'Sartre' (/saʁtʁ/ - with an uvular 'r' sound) that is possible using English phonemes. Olly pronounces it the same way, but minus the American rhoticity of the 'r' - /sɑːtrə/. The word 'butchering' would suggest getting it completely and totally wrong, which is objectively not the case here as it would be impossible to get closer to the original pronunciation without employing a sound (ʁ) which does not exist in English. So no, in the context of one native English speaker talking to another native English speaker, it's completely fine.

Source: I am a native French speaker and I've spent the majority of my life living in Anglophone countries so I have listened to a lot of French being actually butchered in my time.

Yes, I deserve puzzle pieces, go ahead.

After playing it 10 times in a row, I'm sure he says "Sahr-shuh". Play it back in slow motion (like 50%) if you're not hearing it somehow. Ollie says "Sahr-truh" in the other clip which over emphasizes the ending. And here is it in French which to me sounds more like "Sahrt" with a very weak 'r', almost like "Saht":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlI779nolHo&t=136s (2 minutes 16 seconds in)

 

[kazuhiro]

A few recent posts.

Spoiler: Replies

A repost.

And HorrorCow Kevin Gibes most likely talking about Abi appearing in Helluva Boss in future.

 

[AssignedEva]

Can a british person explain what the first “treat” is supposed to be?

It's supposed to look like this:

As someone else said, it's like a Shepherd's Pie or Cottage Pie, but instead the filling is fish cooked in a white sauce. I'm not entirely sure how Ollie managed to make his look like that, but I'm going to assume he either made the filling too liquid, overboiled the potatoes or didn't let them cool before putting them on the pie, or otherwise just tipped far too much cream/milk/butter into the potatoes. It probably tasted ok (not great, but ok) but I'd be embarrassed to post something like that even if I hadn't just been bragging about my "famous fish pie". In fact the bragging about the fish pie pangs of a rugby lad who got taught how to cook 4-5 simple meals by his Mum (along with a "famous" spag bol) before being packed off to uni.

It's impossible to judge the cheesecake, but given this and his forays into cooking kippers, the second photo has a very strong vibe of "I covered up my fucked up cheesecake by heaping lots of defrosted frozen berries on top".

 

[Dr. Butt]

After playing it 10 times in a row, I'm sure he says "Sahr-shuh". Play it back in slow motion (like 50%) if you're not hearing it somehow. Ollie says "Sahr-truh" in the other clip which over emphasizes the ending. And here is it in French which to me sounds more like "Sahrt" with a very weak 'r', almost like "Saht":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlI779nolHo&t=136s (2 minutes 16 seconds in)

American English speakers stop being nuclear levels of retarded about the French language challenge, difficulty impossible. (IDK what it is about french specifically but Americans shit their brains' pants trying to say "milieu" or other such english-like-in-phonics words, when they do not have this level of difficulty pronouncing any other language). "Will argue with native-speaker Frenchman about my hOrSe DiVoRcE" is a truly a new world hill to die on.
Edit - forgot to put my hat on

 

[woduqu]

American English speakers stop being nuclear levels of retarded about the French language challenge, difficulty impossible. (IDK what it is about french specifically but Americans shit their brains' pants trying to say "milieu" or other such english-like-in-phonics words, when they do not have this level of difficulty pronouncing any other language). "Will argue with native-speaker Frenchman about my hOrSe DiVoRcE" is a truly a new world hill to die on.

There's three examples here including the actual French pronunciation that I introduced in the link with Sartre himself. All of them can be listened to 100 times over and played in slow motion. I explained what I'm hearing in all cases and I leave it to everyone else to see if it lines up with their ears or not. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what conclusions anyone comes to, but, at the least, hearing Beauvoir saying his name is probably more useful to people than just having a explanation written from a purported French speaker.

And granting that a person is a native French speaker doesn't actually mean much in this context either. There are countless millions of native French speakers. Did they vote for you to speak on their behalf? What if other native French speakers disagree with you or the way you tried explaining your point because you're a random person and not a linguist? More importantly, the prior disagreement wasn't even about the proper way to say "Sartre" so much as what we think we're hearing a non-French speaker, Morgana, saying.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Did they vote for you to speak on their behalf? What if other native French speakers disagree with you or the way you tried explaining your point because you're a random person and not a linguist?

American AND male! Nice. Just right for Olly.

 

[woduqu]

American AND male! Nice. Just right for Olly.

Claiming that a random French speaker is automatically correct about anything related to French is as retarded as claiming that a random English speaker is automatically correct about anything related to English. When it's explained to you how that's misguided, you make this completely irrelevant comment instead of a rebuttal. Here's a better way to make a point: I clipped the audio in question and slowed it down. Listen to it and tell me if you hear "sar-truh" or "sahr-shuh", like I said. (Technically, I don't care if you do or don't, but for other people's benefit, here it is.)

 

[Oliver Onions]

a random English speaker is automatically correct about anything

Correct.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

So this doesn't relate to Choob directly but there is nuclear level drama brewing for Contrapoints, basically he released a statement trying to explain why he never talks about the war in Gaza and feebly both sidesing the issue and complaining that leftists ruined Kamala's election prospects by asking her to have a more firm position on Israel, and not being nice enough to Zionists in general (of course he does all of this with his typical smug, pseudo-intellectual tone):

If you know anything about the current state of politics in 2025 and the Left's priorities with regard to Palestine and Israel, you'll know that Contra essentially put a pistol to his temple and pulled the trigger, this is probably the final death of Breadtube right here and basically all of the left is dunking on him for this, including people like the hosts of Chapo Trap House who previously were fans of him to the point of having him on the podcast (chapo otherwise has a rule against dunking people who appeared on the pod, even the likes of the redscare girls who went full Groyper):


Now, to bring this back to Olly, I've often mocked him for his incredibly evasive position on Palestine where he basically talks about it as little as he can get away with without angering his audience, but this is way worse. Now's your chance Olly, you can participate in cancelling the fuck out of Contra and present yourself as the pro-Palestinian new queen of Breadtube and wash yourself of previous complaints that he doesn't care enough about this very important topic to bring it up over another post or video about some troon bullshit. You can have Contra's head mounted on your wall by the end of the week!

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I enjoy the insane left destroying each other because of some dumb sand apes who would throw them from buildings.


You can't not care and talk about Gaza as a leftist.

 

[kazuhiro]

Some guy calling himself The Kavernacle made a "call-out" video of Breadtubers, specifically Contrapoints, Philosophytube, and Hbomberguy.

He also posted a follow-up.

Partly in response, people on Reddit ask "Where's Abi?" on Palestine and Zionism. Thread / archive1 / archive2.

The linked Instagram post from last October.

Oliver locked the thread without comment.


Meanwhile on Bluesky.


Tumblr. Maybe he says nothing because there's no free speech in the UK.

"Are you familiar with the phrase 'diversity of tactics'?"

Patreon.

Spoiler: Photos

 

[Shotgun Badger]

Some guy calling himself The Kavernacle made a "call-out" video of Breadtubers, specifically Contrapoints, Philosophytube, and Hbomberguy.

He also posted a follow-up.

Partly in response, people on Reddit ask "Where's Abi?" on Palestine and Zionism. Thread / archive1 / archive2.

Can I just mention BTW, the fundraiser as far as I can tell that was on Kill James Bond was actually organized by one of the other hosts, Devon I believe. This is made very clear in the Kavernacle's video. Like, its one of those things where its overwhelmingly obvious that Olly's position on this is to avoid engaging with it but still take some credit for things his cohosts have done on that podcast.

Its such a dumb concept anyway that because he's trans, its just too dangerous for him to speak out about Palestine, as if poor old Choob can only concentrate on troon bullshit for now.

 

[grapeshark77]

Some good comments on those videos, references to how white so much of Breadtube is. Some non-Breadtube creators in the comments too basically saying how they don't like anyone featured in the video.


also references to Second Thought getting bounced off the site for not wanting to both-sides everything. I get the impression that even fans of Breadtube are sick of the "stars" and their money, Olly flaunts it more than most so I'm not shocked.

 

[toobular]

Can I just mention BTW, the fundraiser as far as I can tell that was on Kill James Bond was actually organized by one of the other hosts, Devon I believe. This is made very clear in the Kavernacle's video. Like, its one of those things where its overwhelmingly obvious that Olly's position on this is to avoid engaging with it but still take some credit for things his cohosts have done on that podcast.

Its such a dumb concept anyway that because he's trans, its just too dangerous for him to speak out about Palestine, as if poor old Choob can only concentrate on troon bullshit for now.

It makes me laugh the way Devon is very quick to call people out over small things and broadcasts very aggressive moral positions, but wouldn't dare call out Toob for keeping silent on Palestine. Devon wouldn't accept "my job's more important than genocide" from anyone else.