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An argument is a statement after a fashion.
All arguments are built from statements but a statement without reasoning is not an argument. You have to actually explain why. Saying "my statement is self-proving" is circular reasoning. You're just saying that anyone who disagrees is proof of them secretly being MIGA. That's the definition of a Kafka trap.


"If A then B; else C" isn't a deductive argument unless B actually follows from A in a logical way, and unless C is a real alternative, not just a fallback where you say "see, you disagreed, so that proves me right."

In your case:
  • A = someone is MIGA rather than MAGA
  • B = they hate Tucker but support Trump
  • C = they get mad when you call them MIGA, which you say proves they’re MIGA
The problem is, you never explain why hating Tucker while supporting Trump automatically means someone is MIGA. You just say it like it’s self-evident, but there's no reasoning behind it.

Then, when someone pushes back, you act like that’s C, and say it confirms your point. That’s not a legit "else" condition. That’s a trap where no matter what anyone says, you claim you're right.

In real logic, B has to come from A in a way that makes sense, and C has to stand on its own. What you wrote isn't logic, it's circular bullshit dressed up to look like an argument.

You're playing word games to mask that you made a claim, can't back it up with logic because you were never trained on formal logic and the only logic you know about is programming logic where you provide your own definitions, and now you're thrashing because someone called you on it.

It's hilarious to see people like you pretend to understand formal logic when your arguments wouldn't be accepted in a 4th grade Gemara class because it doesn't meet expectations.

The Department of Justice has released the security camera footage outside Jeffrey Epstein’s cell which shows that no one entered the area of Epstein’s cell in the hours before he took his own life.

Raw Footage: https://bit.ly/44wMzhh

Enhanced: https://bit.ly/44zAwzK



President Trump's Justice Department and FBI have concluded they have no evidence that convicted sex offender and disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed powerful figures, kept a "client list" or was murdered, according to a memo detailing the findings obtained by Axios.

  • The administration is releasing a video — in both raw and "enhanced" versions — that it says indicates no one entered the area of the Manhattan prison where Epstein was held the night he died in 2019.
  • The video supports a medical examiner's finding that Epstein committed suicide, the two-page memo claims.
Why it matters: The findings represent the first time Trump's administration has officially contradicted conspiracy theories about Epstein's activities and his death — theories that had been pushed by the FBI's top two officials before Trump appointed them to the bureau.



  • As social media influencers and activists, Kash Patel (now the FBI's director) and Dan Bongino (now deputy director) were among those in MAGA world who questioned the official version of how Epstein died.
  • Patel and Bongino have since said Epstein committed suicide. But it has become an article of faith online, especially on the right, that Epstein's crimes also implicated government officials, celebrities and business leaders — and that someone killed him to conceal them.
  • The memo says no one else involved in the Epstein case will be charged. (Epstein's associate Ghislaine Maxwell is serving a 20-year sentence for child sex trafficking and related offenses.)
 
I just wish Elon stayed the fuck out of politics. I don't even know why he wanted to dive head first into that shit in the first place, the EV incentives he was after don't even seem worth it. I will always respect Elon's contribution to the world with SpaceX, but Elon getting so fucking distracted from the cool stuff he was doing with SpaceX to have a political blood fued with Trump is pure lunacy. I just wish the guy would forget about politics completely and go back to being autistically obsessed with colonizing Mars, I miss that Elon Musk.
 
Sam Hyde is ugly and gross. I understand why the edgier parts of the internet worship him like a God but the idea that normie housewives would vote for Hyde is insane.

His affinity for girls in the 15-17 age range would sink him immediately.
The difficulty in politics, that's especially salient in 3rd party politics, is that you need fervor. You need to get people fired up to get any traction at all. To that end, you need a hype man. I don't think that Hyde is a good candidate, but he's a decent hype man. As to who is the best hype man, who could really get a 3rd party going, well, I'm going to have to go with Adolf Hitler.
 
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This...is a bizarrely subdued response from Trump. Trump, the guy who wants to burn Massie to the fucking ground and salt the earth over his corpse over a nay vote that never had a chance of making a difference in the outcome. This is how he reacts to Elon creating a new political party to oppose him and tweeting hard and heavy against him? "Gee, that's too bad, I liked him, oh well." Weird. His wheels must be turning on something we don't know about yet.
It's not a question about Elon tanking himself, it's who else is getting dragged into the black hole with him.
 
I just wish Elon stayed the fuck out of politics. I don't even know why he wanted to dive head first into that shit in the first place, the EV incentives he was after don't even seem worth it. I will always respect Elon's contribution to the world with SpaceX, but Elon getting so fucking distracted from the cool stuff he was doing with SpaceX to have a political blood fued with Trump is pure lunacy. I just wish the guy would forget about politics completely and go back to being autistically obsessed with colonizing Mars, I miss that Elon Musk.
Musk is so autistic that he was the only person to actually buy the Reddit narrative of King Elon. I'm not sure if it was his plan all along to try to sweet-talk Trump into giving him his infinite government gibs or if he let himself be gaslit by fearmongering leftists and jeets, but it's clear the guy has zero self-awareness and an ego more fragile than sugar glass.
 
It's a statement, not an argument. An argument involves explanation and reasoning. If you wrote:

"People who hate Tucker but support Trump are MIGA because Tucker consistently represents Trump’s populist message better than most conservative media. Disliking him suggests a hidden neocon or establishment agenda, which aligns with MIGA behavior."

That's an argument.

If A then B; Else C doesn't make sense in this context. B has to derive from A in a logical sense while C is stand alone. You're confusing programming logic for formal logic.
Both of you are autistic for not immediately shutting down this semantic bullshit and getting back to the topic at hand.
Go fuck off and kill yourself if you're gonna keep this shit up
 
The Department of Justice Mossad has released the security camera footage outside Jeffrey Epstein’s cell which shows that no one entered the area of Epstein’s cell in the hours before he took his own life.

You know that's exactly how everyone is going to read that when the thread's Official Jew™ is saying Epstein killed himself. What are you two guys arguing about anyway?
 
Musk is so autistic that he was the only person to actually buy the Reddit narrative of King Elon. I'm not sure if it was his plan all along to try to sweet-talk Trump into giving him his infinite government gibs or if he let himself be gaslit by fearmongering leftists and jeets, but it's clear the guy has zero self-awareness and an ego more fragile than sugar glass.
His autism and ego will make the America Party hilarious if it ever comes to fruition.
Actual politics, not just arguing online about it but actually getting people elected and bills passed, requires one be adept at social situations and a certain mindset capable of realpolitik. Both of which autism and narcissism heavily impair.

Combine that with his party almost certainly being filled up with jeets, the most narcissistic and autistic race on the planet, and it’ll be a hell of a show.
 
He's just meme lording. Yeah we get it Elon, but you gotta work with people.

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Austerity could only work if you pretty much just cancelled elections for ten to twenty years and declared yourself temporary emperor. 90% of voters don't have the patience or drive to wait for the payout that shutting down Social Security and Medicare would eventually result in. They'd just sprint to vote for whatever party promises to keep the money faucet on.
 
The Department of Justice has released the security camera footage outside Jeffrey Epstein’s cell which shows that no one entered the area of Epstein’s cell in the hours before he took his own life.
From what I can remember of what the FBI director said, It's just a video of the hallway. This is literally some shit you could replicate with a fucking film set.
By the way, the video links you have don't work.
 
its called dual citizenship. You enter the US with US passport, the other nation with their passport. not complicated
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I’m constantly impressed by Israel’s ability to maintain a ‘most favored nation’ status when by all objective measures that relationship basically serves the interests of Israel alone. That extends to de jure dual Israeli/US citizenship.

I have no idea of the exact number of dual citizens of any kind in the US but I’d bet, even leaving aside ‘right of return’, that Israel and Israelis are significantly over-represented.

Why do people love Jews so much on this site?
I think because this one of the few sites where they can’t Shut It Down by squealing about antisemitism, philosemites and online activist Jews actively run interference here.

All I can say is that it’s the same old people giving me the same old negrates every time I question the narrative (tm) on Israel.
 
Austerity could only work if you pretty much just cancelled elections for ten to twenty years and declared yourself temporary emperor.
The United states needs an Atatürk, our current system is completely garbage and the average voter is too retarded to realize that tax cuts are a bad idea when you're in a budget deficit. To the retard yesterday that mentioned the Laffer curve, you're a fucking faggot who doesn't understand how the tax system works, do everyone a favor and an hero.
 
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