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Man imagine taking forever to conquer something as small as a parking lot.
That would be smarter than what they're actually doing which is capturing areas, clearing them, withdrawing from them, and repeat. There are Hamas strongholds in Gaza the IDF never touched bc the probable death of hostages is too high
 
I am angry, like everyone else, that they are covering up the names. However, I know that any elected president only holds power for four years, or eight if re-elected.

The people on Epstein's client list will continue to have money and influence long after. Even if Trump had pressed forward, there’s a high chance powerful people would have retaliated against his family or his businesses. He is only gonna be "the most powerful person in the world" for less than 4 years. Once his term is over, it's over. Even being president is no protection. They have killled sitting presidents too. It's disappointing but not surprising; no politician is above the powers that be.

I agree it would have been the same even if the Democrats had won. There are significant interests and powers above the White House protecting this. If Trump hesitated last time with the JFK files, when anyone involved was likely elderly, he is, of course, going to hesitate with names so powerful and influential that they could literally shake the entire system.

It's not a list of nobodies, but legitimate figures who own pieces of the world and might even have more wealth than entire countries. This just goes to prove that corruption exists in all parties, and some people truly are above the law.
 
I am angry, like everyone else, that they are covering up the names. However, I know that any elected president only holds power for four years, or eight if re-elected.

The people on Epstein's client list will continue to have money and influence long after. Even if Trump had pressed forward, there’s a high chance powerful people would have retaliated against his family or his businesses. He is only gonna be "the most powerful person in the world" for less than 4 years. It's disappointing but not surprising; no politician is above the powers that be.

I agree it would have been the same even if the Democrats had won. There are significant interests and powers above the White House protecting this. If Trump hesitated last time with the JFK files, when anyone involved was likely elderly, he is, of course, going to hesitate with names so powerful and influential that they could literally shake the entire system.

It's not a list of nobodies, but legitimate figures who own pieces of the world and might even have more wealth than entire countries. This just goes to prove that corruption exists in all parties, and some people truly are above the law.
Just wait - it'll all fall apart, hell it's beginning to in some areas.
 
Are you going to the front lines with your nagant to fight the capatalists or what? What's your plan hero.
Your faggot brain has melted. I said nothing about capitalism or armed revolution. People realizing their government is protecting pedophiles and there's no way to vote them out is a bad thing for several reasons. Let's see if you can figure them out.
 
All this just feels weird. Like if this was always the endgame goal here and they knew they were never going to prosecute anyone what was the point of hyping it up and even bringing it up to begin with? I could sort of get going for broke and saying anything to get elected, but why even bring it up after winning? Furthermore, why make it such a big deal and do that big binder PR thing a few months ago? There are a million and one ways to make this story die off - the Biden admin never even touched it for four years and the democrats just kind of shrugged their shoulders (and if the tables were turned most of MAGA would probably do it too if Trump never said a word about Epstein after November as long as he was making the political/economic changes they wanted). What I just don't get from a PR perspective is why, if they knew they weren't going to prosecute anyone from day one, why make this big PR deal about it and even mention it after you've won the election? And why end the whole thing like this?

It reminds me of how Trump negotiated with Iran, lulled them into a false sense of control/security, then bombed the fuck out of them the next day. I'm not saying that this is some 5D chess master gambit from Trump at all and occam's razor is usually undefeated, but it just seems really odd. Could he be trying to provoke public unrest from democrats to cause more riots? This just feels like it's done so bluntly, so anti-climatically, and so dismissively that it seems like meant to illicit some kind of reaction. For who or to what end I have no idea
My take has always been that there's just not enough there for anything to be done or said. If you remember, the original big secret list everyone was salivating over was the list of people who had travelled to the island on an epstein jet. But that's all it was. I guarantee you that most people who ever travelled there were just visiting like normal people and not engaging in disgusting pedophilic behavior. It's not like you're going to get some receipt showing that Biden or Trump ordered a prime 12yo on the rocks to be delivered at 10pm sharp. Even if there is any truth to any of this it will not be provable because you're not getting some desperate lower class pedo travelling to vietnam to pay another desperate lower class pimp to give you a kid for the night and actually transacting for it. No, this would be rich people who already have all the money, so the currency would just be quid pro quo actions. Only the biggest retards would be caught, like Prince Andrew being photographed with the girl.

My extremely hot take for this thread is that the Epstein thing is not as big nor as widespread as people have blown it up into. I'm not saying there isn't some kinda cover up because there's no way he killed himself, I'm just saying it's probably not as big as people are making it out to be and it's extremely difficult to prove anything even happened in the first place. They had ol' Jeffrey dead to rights because he had literal CP stored on physical media in his house, yet the only one who went down with the ship was Ghislane. If it was literally every elite in on this there would be more than just anonymous jane doe allegations to go off of. As a personal note, the Epstein thing, the JFK stuff, MLK, all of the things of that ilk are not what I want the administration to focus on. I need them focused on fixing the present, and then we can have the luxury of focusing on the past. I'm not saying they can't put some teams on it, but I believe people have blown up the 'client list' in their minds, when in reality no such thing exists in the way they are thinking of it.
 
It's not a list of nobodies, but legitimate figures who own pieces of the world and might even have more wealth than entire countries. This just goes to prove that corruption exists in all parties, and some people truly are above the law.
Just wait - it'll all fall apart, hell it's beginning to in some areas.
Your faggot brain has melted. I said nothing about capitalism or armed revolution. People realizing their government is protecting pedophiles and there's no way to vote them out is a bad thing for several reasons. Let's see if you can figure them out.
i will just drop what I said earlier here:
The only way you could possibly eliminate the corruption that exists in the US is if you completely dismantle our current government, purge all the pedofaggots, and get an Atatürk to make a completely reorganized government with brand news laws. In my eyes I don't see this as being possible whatsoever nor do I think anyone will attempt it.
 
I am angry, like everyone else, that they are covering up the names. However, I know that any elected president only holds power for four years, or eight if re-elected.

The people on Epstein's client list will continue to have money and influence long after. Even if Trump had pressed forward, there’s a high chance powerful people would have retaliated against his family or his businesses. He is only gonna be "the most powerful person in the world" for less than 4 years. Once his term is over, it's over. Even being president is no protection. They have killled sitting presidents too. It's disappointing but not surprising; no politician is above the powers that be.

I agree it would have been the same even if the Democrats had won. There are significant interests and powers above the White House protecting this. If Trump hesitated last time with the JFK files, when anyone involved was likely elderly, he is, of course, going to hesitate with names so powerful and influential that they could literally shake the entire system.

It's not a list of nobodies, but legitimate figures who own pieces of the world and might even have more wealth than entire countries. This just goes to prove that corruption exists in all parties, and some people truly are above the law.

Is it too much to ask that the person who is elected to lead the united states of america be ready and willing to make any amount of sacrifice for the country? Why treat being the leader of the free world as some kind of small business owner and cry out "hey man, they're people too!".... That's super gay. The US needs larger than life political leaders with brass balls that will take their countrymen on a holy crusade and lead them to valhalla if need be. This isn't supposed to be some kind of cushy tenure job that you get after decades of political service (although I'm sure that's the precedent they'd like to set) where we're supposed to say "hey it's a tough job, he's doing his best".
 
He had plenty of photos of himself with adult hookers.
Don’t forget the one of Malia Obama’s credit card next to a pile of powdered crystalline substance, and photos of him from behind doggystyling a young black woman who looked remarkably like her. Plus he’s into blacked porn, the fucking degenerate.
 
I saw a mini-documentary about the ‘resistance’ and most of them were packing M4’s and M249’s but I didn’t see a single Tavor (AK pattern I don’t remember seeing but I wouldn’t discount it).
And you’re right re Jordan, had a brainfart, although I did mention the West Bank/Jordan border a while ago in another thread.
The M16 family is the most commonly produced rifle on the planet, and what you've pegged for the M249 is, well, I guess it could be an M249, but the M249 is just the US name for the FN Minimi, the most common squad automatic weapon on the planet.

Map of nations which are current users of the FN Minimi:
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Map of nations which are current and former users of the M16 family in some capacity, current dark blue and former light blue (just Australia and Afghanistan):
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The M16 and Minimi are licensed to all hell, so there's a dozen or more nations that produce them locally, so without actually seeing the serial numbers there's no way of knowing where they came from. To complicate matters, the HK416 has been adopted by several nations and is license built in several factories and, while appearing outwardly as an M16 derivative, is a completely different weapon system.
Let's say that there was an epstein list and that it wasn't deleted in the coverup. What use would putting those names out there be? You can't prosecute and convict someone for being on a list. It could be the basis to start an investigation but just the document itself wouldn't do anything.
Alright I'm ready to respond to this. My actual opinion on the matter is that there never was any "list." Honestly I think Epstein, while being a child abuser and trafficker, was nowhere near as influential as believed. There's a lot of reasons for this but just because there's a picture of him with Trump or Clinton or whatever doesn't mean they were best buddies. Rich folks hang out with rich folks, I'm sure if you put any of these people under the spotlight and picked through all the pictures of the events they've been to and hosted, you'd find tons of pictures of them in various places with the same people, over and over again. Basically I think Epstein was a clout goblin, and he spent a lot of money on facilitating parties and whatever for these elite types to hang out at his place, some of them probably went to his parties without really knowing who the fuck he was, just because he's the guy hosting the parties that other rich people are going to.

As for his child trafficking, I think he did a lot of it, I think there are more than a few elites that did partake in the child fucking, for instance Prince Andrew. I don't think it was as universal as people believe. I do not believe he was some high level broker of child fucking, I think that he liked fucking kids, and I think he had some elite friends that liked fucking kids, and so he helped some of them fuck kids. I find this idea of a universal pedophile cabal running the world hard to believe, mainly because the pedophile cabal is both apparently omnipotent and beyond reproach, but also they need some disgraced school teacher turned shady financier to facilitate the kid fucking, but also Ukraine is for kid fucking, but also the Mossad is for kid fucking, but also that weird rich person camp, you know the one, is for kid fucking, but also... You see my point? Every place or group or whatever which draws the ire of the far right is "well that's who/where facilitates all the kid fucking for The Powers That Be."

Anyway, I don't think there was ever a comprehensive "client list." I think that Epstein has become a boogeyman and lightning rod for a lot of people, and I think a lot of that is because of not necessarily Trump, but absolutely the people around him. JD Vance, for his faults, I do not think fucks kids, same with Pam Bondi. Vance wants to be someone, he wants to be president. There's no way that he would intentionally go on podcasts and talk about "well yeah we need to release that Epstein list" and then potentially shatter his reputation by sitting on his hands. I think that perpetuating this narrative of an "Epstein List" for the election cycle, and therefore insinuating that the Biden administration or The Pee That Poos or whatever is intentionally covering for an elite cabal of pedophiles was extremely helpful for Trump and Republicans in general. I think while they didn't believe to the extent that most did, they probably believed that there were in fact at least some things they could fast track to look like they're taking action on Epstein intelligence, and when they got in the realized that, holy shit, there's not nearly what they expected, and what they do have is sensitive, and they can't just dump it all. The result is that they are forced to face the monster that they are at least partially responsible for creating. As for truthfulness of the administration's statement/tampering/whatever, I find it incredibly unlikely that the course of events has gone how Bondi and whatever have said. The problem with the administration is that they just fucking lie, all the time, through their teeth, intentionally trying to blur the lines between fact, fiction, and something else. Additionally, Trump's administration has taken great care to purge anyone that would contradict their narrative. I have no doubt that Bondi or Kash or anyone else never bothered to actually crack the binder on fucking anything and actually read a single word in print. I think they likely gave orders to their people to "get me the Epstein list!" and, being eager to please or fearful to disappoint, their underlings insisted that, absolutely, they would work to get that list fast quick and in a hurry. I'm sure every time it came up the same underlings gave the same shit of "two more weeks." Eventually they knuckle down and get them to admit the truth, that they don't have a fucking thing they can release. This leaves the administration holding the bag, being forced to answer whether or not they are blustering retards that just lied to everyone for a year, or are they actively working to cover up an elite pedophile cabal. I find it very likely that the insistence of there being absolutely nothing is bullshit, I'm sure there is something, probably part of some kind of investigation. Some of it was probably destroyed, I'm sure, either through incompetence or malice. Most of it, however, I believe never existed.
 
My extremely hot take for this thread is that the Epstein thing is not as big nor as widespread as people have blown it up into. I'm not saying there isn't some kinda cover up because there's no way he killed himself, I'm just saying it's probably not as big as people are making it out to be and it's extremely difficult to prove anything even happened in the first place.
TPTB have multiple people that they work with to get their child sex slaves; like I've said before, he obviously tried to blackmail the wrong people and then everyone dropped his ass, put him in jail, and then he died of an involuntary hanging to become an example to all the other dealers. It's not that he could bring down the whole system by himself, rather, it is that (((they))) felt that he needed to be checked for his activities to avoid all of the other suppliers/dealers whatever from trying to do the same thing which would become an uncontrollable mess leading to it all just crashing down one day.
 
Is it too much to ask that the person who is elected to lead the united states of america be ready and willing to make any amount of sacrifice for the country?
It's not. But the current system only allows people already deep within it to be elected. I'm not defending this; I'm just stating how it is.

If someone is top of the world rich, or has connections, they're part of the system—no exceptions. A person who truly has nothing to lose wouldn't even get a nomination. Who is even gonna donate to your campaign, or allow you to make political connection if itsn't people that are on the list? The system is corrupt to the core.

I doubt even Trump's business and family could survive having all the most powerful people in the world as enemies. That's why he is hesitating, in the best case scecario.
 
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Let's say that there was an epstein list and that it wasn't deleted in the coverup. What use would putting those names out there be? You can't prosecute and convict someone for being on a list. It could be the basis to start an investigation but just the document itself wouldn't do anything.
Our pet JIDF poster is running interference for pedo Mossad ops now...
 
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