DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[AnsemSoD1]

The "Optimus is a war criminal" narrative comes from the Bayformers version executing defeated enemies with no remorse like Sentinel Prime at the end of DOTM.

To stay on the thread topic, it's like people complaining about Superman killing Zod in MOS but not in the second Christopher Reeves film.

I still think it was shitty to kill off three of the OG five in Ratchet, Ironhide, and Jazz. Age of Extinction feels FAR too lonely, cynical, and depressing without most of the OGs around.

 

[Incecticyder]

well yeah, someone could make one good Superman movie. I was just saying we would have gotten it from him eventually, but the fact was he specifically planned for the classic Superman people expected, to show up in the 5th one. which is absolutely retarded but hilarious. it wasn't a case of he couldn't, but he wasn't going to.

I don't even think he's not optimistic enough, I just think he's too long winded and obsessed with the idea of Epics. He didn't want to make a Superman movie, he wanted to make the 15 hour long Superman epic movie told in 5 parts costarring the justice league and the end of the world where we get hopeful superman for the last 3 hours of it after he's been beaten down and died and risen first.

I think as just a studio director with a good script and without huge say in control of it, he was and still is a good fit. they fucked up when they just let him do what he wanted and then told him to kick rocks, when they got the first half of that.

I am not saying he was not a good fit but he needed a handler. Snyder and Gunn are in the "Realism Cult". Realism is dark and broody and the epitome of cool is standing in the shadows. That short of thing. Have Supes make a smug comment at some bad guy. Nothing like the Marvel "break the 4th wall" humor. Just something like "This is not your lucky day!" or "I wouldn't do that if I were you" that denotes confidence. Neither Snyder nor Gunn get Superman or his appeal. I'd be damned if they do not think they do though.

The "Optimus is a war criminal" narrative comes from the Bayformers version executing defeated enemies with no remorse like Sentinel Prime at the end of DOTM.

Optimus has been fighting for millions of years. He has been on both sides of morality. It is part of what makes him a good anti-war icon. He fights because he has too but he is under no illusion that war is anything but ugly. He has seen and done it all. It is part of what he likes about Earth and Humans. Yeah, we fight but our wars end. Things change even if the reality of war does not. Cybertronians still fight one war for thousands of millennia.

 

[That Chris Guy]

The other main critique was the lack of unique identity between films. Iron Man, Ant Man and Doctor strange all have the same basic set up and characterization, everyone needs to be the snarky funny guy. There is no change to tone between films, nor any kind of genre shakeup beyond maybe Guardians and its 80s space thing.

When Ant-Man was teased, I thought Marvel was really scraping the bottom of the barrel , and it became a by-the-numbers thing. I guess they felt that growing/shrinking and magic was enough to differentiate the three, but different personalities would've helped. Strange has enough knowledge on otherworldly problems that it's not out of left field for him to be more serious - if he had a more serious, pragmatic personality, I think it would've worked better and had more mileage out of Cumberbatch.

I know people give Thor: The Dark World a lot of shit, but I genuinely liked the first 15 or so minutes before they broke all pretense of caring and reverted to The Marvel Way™ of making stupid jokes every 30 seconds. Considering the trash that was Ragnarok and how most decent moments with Thor have been when they took him seriously, I think with 20/20 hindsight they should've played it straight.

DC is unique in that their heavy hitters all have content to go through multiple films and take on a variety of genres. While you don't need to have individual films for every character, it does feel like missed potential not to. I can easily crank out a general outline for a trilogy for any of the main 5 and more, they have the characters and rogues to do it.

I agree. They also present such different settings that they can easily be distinct from one another and not follow the same formula. You could very easily make a fount of good movies from their collective histories if anyone competent was at the helm. That's where someone like James Gunn will potentially flounder, as I think he's more obsessed with putting his own watermark on the property rather than doing it any justice. I'm starting to think Jerry Seinfeld could make a better movie - at least he's enamoured with the character.

A DC Universe is difficult in many areas, but I think at the very least we can all agree that Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern should be getting solo trilogies that lead into a wider Justice League trilogy/quadrilogy. The fact that Gunn has no plans for Flash, is relegating Green Lantern to a low budget tv series, and seemingly has little ideas for Wonder Woman or even a Batman spells disaster.

It's certainly not a good sign. The work of someone who doesn't fundamentally understand the potential worth he is pissing away by not running each of the five in a Phase 1-type series. I thought it a shame that Hollywood seems to consider Green Lantern as cinematic poison when it only got one mild chance, and The Flash was so grossly mismanaged and bungled that its outing was a Hollywood embarrassment. This just seems to support the fact that whatever DC has planned is going to be underwhelming.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

I mean to be fair @That Chris Guy, Ant Man and the Wasp were planned to be in the original Avengers before becoming scrapped sometime during production.

 

[Overly Serious]

DC is unique in that their heavy hitters all have content to go through multiple films and take on a variety of genres. While you don't need to have individual films for every character, it does feel like missed potential not to. I can easily crank out a general outline for a trilogy for any of the main 5 and more, they have the characters and rogues to do it.

They could. But they're chasing what they saw Marvel do and want to replicate it. It's a recurrent tragedy in many walks of life, when someone or some group ignores their own strengths in favour of trying to be what someone else is.

I don't even think he's not optimistic enough, I just think he's too long winded and obsessed with the idea of Epics. He didn't want to make a Superman movie, he wanted to make the 15 hour long Superman epic movie told in 5 parts costarring the justice league and the end of the world where we get hopeful superman for the last 3 hours of it after he's been beaten down and died and risen first.

The issue with Zack Snyder is he's out of this time. Oh, not in the sense that his movies aren't modern or stylish or well-directed. And in fact I find him an excellent visual director. He has an eye for composing a short that most directors these days don't have. You have to look at David Lean or George Lucas etc. to find directors that still care about composition so much. No by "time" I mean the whole fucking era. He wants to tell Homeric epics, he wants to give us the Aeneid and the Illiad and the Hero Deeds of Cu Hulain. He wants to tell tales of Achilles avenging Patrocles, of Odysseus returning home after 11 years of struggle, of Odin hanging from the tree in self-sacrifice to gain wisdom.

And he's saddled with a world where people have an attention span of 10 minutes and get bored if there's not a joke.

It's why in many ways he's a great fit for superheroes which are as close as you get in modern genre to classical heroes and demi-gods. At the same time, it's why many reject his Superman. I'd love to write for him. He needs writers who both understand what he wants to do and can help sell it to modern audiences without taking away from that.

 

[Incecticyder]

The issue with Zack Snyder is he's out of this time. Oh, not in the sense that his movies aren't modern or stylish or well-directed. And in fact I find him an excellent visual director. He has an eye for composing a short that most directors these days don't have. You have to look at David Lean or George Lucas etc. to find directors that still care about composition so much. No by "time" I mean the whole fucking era. He wants to tell Homeric epics, he wants to give us the Aeneid and the Illiad and the Hero Deeds of Cu Hulain. He wants to tell tales of Achilles avenging Patrocles, of Odysseus returning home after 11 years of struggle, of Odin hanging from the tree in self-sacrifice to gain wisdom.

And he's saddled with a world where people have an attention span of 10 minutes and get bored if there's not a joke.

It's why in many ways he's a great fit for superheroes which are as close as you get in modern genre to classical heroes and demi-gods. At the same time, it's why many reject his Superman. I'd love to write for him. He needs writers who both understand what he wants to do and can help sell it to modern audiences without taking away from that.

Another area he lacks in is imagination. He can make a good adaptation of an action story such as 300 but he has no idea how original worldbuilding works. Rebel Moon was a Star Wars Episodes 4 to 6 but with slow motion. He needs someone else to create the world for him. He would make a great Iliad (maybe as a one-hour episode miniseries) but he really has to pick and choose what fits for him to adapt. Superman does not fit his style. Maybe Batman would have been a better option for him. He is a brooding anti-hero who engages in a lot of melee. A better fit than Supes.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Another area he lacks in is imagination. He can make a good adaptation of an action story such as 300 but he has no idea how original worldbuilding works. Rebel Moon was a Star Wars Episodes 4 to 6 but with slow motion. He needs someone else to create the world for him. He would make a great Iliad (maybe as a one-hour episode miniseries) but he really has to pick and choose what fits for him to adapt. Superman does not fit his style. Maybe Batman would have been a better option for him. He is a brooding anti-hero who engages in a lot of melee. A better fit than Supes.

I definitely think that more of his obvious flaws would have flown under the radar more if he was given the rights to Batman, still a rather subpar product though.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Anti-woke YouTube running damage control for James Gunn and Hollywood. Meanwhile the leftwing youtubers calling Superman out for being shit. This was how the left react when people call out Disney.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

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Anti-woke YouTube running damage control for James Gunn and Hollywood. Meanwhile the leftwing youtubers calling Superman out for being shit. This was how the left react when people call out Disney.

Both FNT and Breadtube deserve to die a horrible, painful, death.

 

[Incecticyder]

I definitely think that more of his obvious flaws would have flown under the radar more if he was given the rights to Batman, still a rather subpar product though.

Was he not given the rights to all of DC? I suppose DC truly wanted to begin with Superman. Still, they needed someone like Ike Permutel to make sure the product was right.

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Anti-woke YouTube running damage control for James Gunn and Hollywood. Meanwhile the leftwing youtubers calling Superman out for being shit. This was how the left react when people call out Disney.

Glad to know that Hollyweird finally learned who to bribe.

 

[April Ryan]

Yeah, the fact that Angry fucking Joe gave a Superman movie a six is completely damming. The three of them will spend 20 twenty minutes trying to explain why something is shit, when "it's woke", will do it in 2 words, so you know this wasn't over the politics.

Joe is a massive superman fan, and will always overrate modern slop before being forced to admit it's bad six months later - so him saying it's not good means word of mouth will be fucking terrible.

 

[Prester John]

But they're chasing what they saw Marvel do and want to replicate it.

Marvel can't even replicate it.

 

[User 204766]

He wants to tell Homeric epics, he wants to give us the Aeneid and the Illiad and the Hero Deeds of Cu Hulain. He wants to tell tales of Achilles avenging Patrocles, of Odysseus returning home after 11 years of struggle, of Odin hanging from the tree in self-sacrifice to gain wisdom.

And he's saddled with a world where people have an attention span of 10 minutes and get bored if there's not a joke.

There's a place for people who want to make "epics" and its called television. Imagine if he decided to do a show for HBO or Netflix instead of making Man of Steel, his reputation would probably be a lot higher.

Look at Westworld, that first season is just as much of a fucking epic as anything Snyder could have shit out, but because it did it in a tv show instead of a half dozen movies people appreciated it a whole lot more.

A Series of Unfortunate Events had a much better tv series than films because they were able to set things up and pay them off in the same season instead of hoping the box office was good enough to demand sequels.

Its especially notable because the first season and the movie of A Series of Unfortunate Events go over the same things but because of the length they were able to let the source material breathe.

There's a reason the Snyder fanboys prefer some insane 4 hour edition of their Snyder slop, he can't condense worth a fuck. He's also stupid enough to not realize where his strengths lay. One thing notable about the Justice League behind the scenes is how much the entire cast and crew fucking loved Snyder over Whedon, and just loved him in general. If they were told they'd be stuck with him on a tv set for 5+ years they'd love it

Its actually pretty ironic, he has a terrible reputation with general audiences but hollywood loves him, meanwhile most auteurs, like James Cameron are hated by their cast and crew but make the most beloved films of all time

 

[FMW13]

I can't believe people actually laugh at shit like this, fucking Family Guy could have done a better skit.

This is why I torrent the show now. It hasn’t been good at all. I miss that Drunk Roiland.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

Noticed all the James Gunn dick suckers on here all but disappeared. Now it confirms that Superman is too preachy for most leftwing news outlets. Get fucked James Gunn cocksuckers. You guys are bigger faggots than Zack Synder fans.

and you thought taking the word of a noted retard was some kind of own? C'mon man. Maybe it'll suck, maybe it's fine and once again, Moviebob is seeing what he wants to see. Like when he thought Lindsey Ellis liked him.

Edit: Chris Gore gave it a six out of ten as well.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

and you thought taking the word of a noted retard was some kind of own? C'mon man.

Yes. Brush off superman director immigration comments and him calling MAGA critics jerks because somehow James Gunn based now because Anti-woke YouTubere like David Zaslav for some reason.(Kek behind HBO Max Velma and James Gunn creature commandos) And yes. Movie Bob only likes movies if they have some kind of leftist learning.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

He's also stupid enough to not realize where his strengths lay.

Funny story: Allegedly he wanted to release the Snyder Cut as a Mini Series on HBO so we could say he was more or less "learning" where his strenghts are, but then Rebel Moon came and showed he hasn't learned shit, he still wants to make 5 hour long movies, when he should've made a series, don't know if that would have completely saved Rebel Moon but maybe as a series it would work better.

 

[User 204766]

don't know if that would have completely saved Rebel Moon but maybe as a series it would work better.

and we never will. I will say most tv shows have a terrible first 2-3 hours, the office and sunny creators openly admit their first seasons are the worst ones. same with parks and rec, star trek, and a lot of others.

Especially when it comes to serialized storytelling, the first handful of episodes will always be garbage because they're mainly setting up things that will be paid off way later. Like there are things in Arrested Development's first episode that are only paid off 2 or 3 seasons later.

Imagine if the guy that created that tried doing movies and hoping the audience sticks around for 11 movies to get the joke about Buster's hand set up in the first one.

This is literally why film serials completely fucking vanished once TV got big, it did the thing better and quicker and cheaper.

Another fun fact is that if WB stuck with Snyder this entire time we'd still not be at "classic" superman yet, he'd be on movie #4 with people still complaining about him

 

[The greater a'tuin]

they have plenty mobsters in Korea

Korean culture hates glorified crime though. I have never seen their equivalent to triads or yakuza. Drugs cannot be depicted on TV, and are such a stigma in real life that celebrities an hero rather than get exposed for it.

 

[Cnut]

Korean culture hates glorified crime though. I have never seen their equivalent to triads or yakuza. Drugs cannot be depicted on TV, and are such a stigma in real life that celebrities an hero rather than get exposed for it.

Well in Huntress' case she hates them and hunts them down, that's the whole shtick. No need to glorify the bad guys. Not like they'll ever make the show anyway.