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and you thought taking the word of a noted retard was some kind of own? C'mon man. Maybe it'll suck, maybe it's fine and once again, Moviebob is seeing what he wants to see. Like when he thought Lindsey Ellis liked him.

Edit: Chris Gore gave it a six out of ten as well.
And Midnight's Edge was like 7 to 8, which sounds pretty underwhelming to me. I can't help but pity James Gunn if this movie underperforms because not making a billion or as he put in a lie, "$700 million," it still counts as a failure given the authority he was granted for the entire division. Not enough to actually go out and watch the movie though.
 
Marvel can't even replicate it.
Thunderbolts was that rare gem (specifically thanks to Florence Pugh, Lewis Pullman, David Harbour, and Julia Louis Dreyfus; plus a genuinely different story than the usual marvel slop) in a sea of shit.

With DC, it is always their animated properties that people remember fondly, as opposed to their live action stuff. Hell even that Batman Yakuza anime thing is fun and you can tell a lot of love and care went into it from the Japanese staff.

It doesn't help that Superman is kind of the most.....blah of the three. The most typical. His stuff leans more into the whole superhero meets sci-fi stories whereas Batman and Wonder Woman are genuinely more well recieved due to the emphasis on dark gritty realistic stories with amazing character dynamics in the former and mythology, fantasy, and epic stories in the latter.
 
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From what I've seen, there's plenty of people who consider themselves "media literate" folks who "get art" that believe the new Superman movie that looks like an AI generated promotional video from an Indian tech startup is a work of art because they think it comments on a conflict they live vicariously through.
 
There's a reason the Snyder fanboys prefer some insane 4 hour edition of their Snyder slop, he can't condense worth a fuck. He's also stupid enough to not realize where his strengths lay. One thing notable about the Justice League behind the scenes is how much the entire cast and crew fucking loved Snyder over Whedon, and just loved him in general. If they were told they'd be stuck with him on a tv set for 5+ years they'd love it
I can well imagine that I would FAR rather work for Snyder than Whedon. Way less creepy and from everything I've heard a very professional man who treats his role as an actual job as well as a passion. E.g. with Man of Steel, he didn't write that he was handed the script and made lemonade. It's heavy with a muted colour palette but I still maintain it has the most visceral Kryptonian fight scenes of any comic book movie ever. Kal-El and the others duking it out and feels powerful when those punches connect or a building is shattered. Ditto Batman vs. Superman. He didn't write it but the ground-view scene of Superman's battle with Zod really captures the terror and amazement of people. And Hell yeah I prefer his version of Justice League over the Whedon abomination. The former is something not necessarily what people want, but the latter is just plain bad.

Everything I've seen of Snyder and in interviews, he's seemed a perfectionist but not a prima donna. It's the latter that is worst to work for. Snyder seems pretty human and relatable to me as a person.

Its actually pretty ironic, he has a terrible reputation with general audiences but hollywood loves him, meanwhile most auteurs, like James Cameron are hated by their cast and crew but make the most beloved films of all time
Like I said, Snyder views his films as a job he was required to deliver. Not in any way saying there's a lack of passion in his work but he delivered Man of Steel for $225m largely on time so far as I know and with expected budget and it returned triple that.

Korean culture hates glorified crime though. I have never seen their equivalent to triads or yakuza. Drugs cannot be depicted on TV, and are such a stigma in real life that celebrities an hero rather than get exposed for it.
In some ways that's good. Honestly I am tired of Western media's glamourised criminal-heroes. I'd like to see Huntress kick the shit out of actual gangsters. Also, are you sure about no depicting of drugs? Because I watched Bad and Crazy and the villains in that are drugs smugglers. I thought I recall seeing their smuggling but if not, that's actually testament to it because it didn't affect my understanding or the story at all.
 
It doesn't help that Superman is kind of the most.....blah of the three. The most typical. His stuff leans more into the whole superhero meets sci-fi stories whereas Batman and Wonder Woman are genuinely more well recieved due to the emphasis on dark gritty realistic stories with amazing character dynamics in the former and mythology, fantasy, and epic stories in the latter.
That’s Wonder Woman, whose schtick is constantly up in the air and nobody has any idea what to do with her. She’s only been “well-received” due to the show and the movie, that rode a wave of shit and seemed better by comparison. It’s also why she’s the most influenced by Elseworld depictions, because the core is weak.

Batman and Superman are DC, the “fantasy and epic stories?” That’s Superman, him and Batman split the cape-genre down the middle and that's why they’re the World’s Finest, with those two, all bases are covered, back in the day, if you read those two exclusively, you got all you needed.

Superman is just screwed because he’s so much more than the limited perception the normies have, which is caused by his movies using the same two plots everytime.
 
I saw Superman tonight. I was waiting to see it with my niggas in the hood theater this weekend but couldn't help myself and left work early and just went.

First and foremost, I liked it more than I expected. I didn't hate it. It isnt terrible. I liked a lot about it. However most of what I expected to suck, still sucked but was more muted than I thought. I'll give some vague spoilerless thoughts.

the tone is fucked. This is a movie where the final act is a rip in space destroying metropolis from underneath and there is absolutely no weight to it. I can't stress enough how weird it is. The city feels entirely unlived in. The city is evacuated but in every major action scene, there is 0 sense of danger literally at all and it makes the movie feel really odd.

the dog is barely in it. hes not in the first hour or so at all beyond the opening. I found this weird. All the advertising has been the first 15 minutes of the movie and shots of the middle.

The JLI guys are a total waste of time. Guy, Hawkgirl and Metamorpho are terrible. Mr. Terrific is awesome, but he's in too much of it.

The Kents are ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. Pa Kent has some good dialogue to Clark, but the casting.... what the fuck? This one hits close to home from me as someone from Kansas and it legit offends me these Hollywood retards. Ma Kent is like a Georgia hillbilly. What the fuck? They're Farmers from Kansas, not moonshiners. They're both no shit played as slow or retarded.

The Daily planet cast, was wasted and do nothing. Jimmy Olsen is the only one who does anything (he was good). He actually saves everything by pretending to love Lexs gf thats straight up how the day is saved. He's also the only one who does any journalism in the entire movie. Clark and Lois dont do anything. Lois is an afterthought.

Lex's plot is so simple and basic it was disappointing. He wanted to make people hate superman, so the government lets him go kill him. That's literally it.

Ultraman/Bizarro is also nothing. He's basically a clone that works like a video game character lex and his team do street fighter moves with him through a computer interface. He's lame as fuck.

The action is god awful. There's all this cool shit, shot horribly zoomed in and shakey and looks cheaper than the CW.

Clark, is really the only guy with any character in the whole movie. He's good, written okay. But the actor looks bad and he delivers things odd. Idk im on the fence with him. When hes good hes good, but then the movie stops for him to be like "really dude?" And things like that that ruin it.

This is a movie that feels like nothing happens but has a lot of shit in it . It's really odd. None of the humor lands, but it sort of gets Superman himself? Besides when it stops and doesn't for a comedic bit. This is the most mixed ive felt about a movie in years. I want to like it but i dont think I do, I also want to hate it but i dont think I do either.

just a side note, I think they wanted to have their cake and fuck it too, as they note specifically that superman has taken a vow to never kill, unless he has to. which i liked that about it
 
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Oh yeah, another weird thing about it, is the music, score and sound design, never work. Not once. It always sounds out of place and like a YouTube video of something else somebody added their favorite movie score to. It's weird. I've mostly said negative things but it's not even like a FUCK THIS MOVIE it's more so that the things that dont work are flat out weird. Like the music or the weightlessness of it all.
 
Oh yeah, another weird thing about it, is the music, score and sound design, never work. Not once. It always sounds out of place and like a YouTube video of something else somebody added their favorite movie score to. It's weird. I've mostly said negative things but it's not even like a FUCK THIS MOVIE it's more so that the things that dont work are flat out weird. Like the music or the weightlessness of it all.
I said previously that my fear was that this would be "a bad movie done well". That is to use the colloquialism, a turd polished well enough that people will like it for its superficial or concessionary qualities despite still being shit underneath. How on the mark was I with that? Do you think this will do well?

I'd also like to hear anything more you have to say about Guy Gardner in this? He's my favourite DC hero next to The Question.

 
I said previously that my fear was that this would be "a bad movie done well". That is to use the colloquialism, a turd polished well enough that people will like it for its superficial or concessionary qualities despite still being shit underneath. How on the mark was I with that? Do you think this will do well?

I'd also like to hear anything more you have to say about Guy Gardner in this? He's my favourite DC hero next to The Question.

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I'm honestly not sure. I really couldn't tell you if it's a bad movie done well, or a good movie done poorly. Nor could I really tell you what the general audience will make of it. It was a weird viewing experience for me, because most of what I flat out didn't like or hated, (outside of the types of jokes and quips everyone knows I can't stand) was technical stuff that I historically have never noticed watching something for the first time or not at least enough to note. Stuff like how the action is shot, and the music, that type of thing normally my brain is off until it's over then I think about it. But here the whole movie that stuff bothered me.

I have other complains (like the fact superman basically always needs help with everything in the movie) but it's odd because outside of jokes I think HE was fine. Its the universe this movie takes place in that was the disconnect for me. It's like a world that feels like nothing is dangerous, even the danger. theres a scene where a guy is shot in the head point blank, and it felt more weighty than the literal city falling apart. I got no sense of awe or anything from the craziness it felt like no big deal. which is probably a direct response to Man of Steel or something but basically ruined the movie for me.

Ymmv with Guy. I hate Nathan Fillion. Like detest him, and I like Guy, but even if I didn't hate Nathan. He's too fucking old. But Guy doesnt really do anything. The entire movie all he does is reiterate the name Justice Gang over and over. I can't stress enough that Superman and maybe Lex are the only characters who we ever know a single thing about in this movie. It's got like 20 characters and they're all entirely empty. This might be the fact the movie is exactly 2 hours long.

I read a comment once on the trailer that Guy should be a slightly more heroic Biff from Back to the Future as the Green Lantern, I agree with that. He's not that. He's just sort of there, and I guess he's supposed to be a prick? but we dont exactly get that. his action beats are okay I guess but he really doesnt do shit beyond make a cage, a drill thing, and some giant fists.
 
theres a scene where a guy is shot in the head point blank
Woah. That's a lot less kid-friendly than I expected this movie to be. But at the same time sounds like it jars tonally with the rest.

You say you can't answer my question but the more you describe things the more I feel you are answering it.

What's the dynamic between Lois and Clark like?

I read a comment once on the trailer that Guy should be a slightly more heroic Biff from Back
That's a pretty great description of the character. And as regards the casting, I know the name Nathan Fillion from somewhere and feel I've seen him in something memorable enough to note the name, but cannot say if it was positive or negative or what the Hell it was.

EDIT: Gone through everything listed for him on IMDB and I don't recognise him from anything. Must be a weird false memory association or something. Literally only seen him in one thing which was pretty meh.
 
Woah. That's a lot less kid-friendly than I expected this movie to be. But at the same time sounds like it jars tonally with the rest.
It was jarring. I do think it was probably the most effective part of the movie though because its the only time anything feels serious. I didn't need the whole movie to be like that, I just wanted to feel like I should care about superman stopping the threats, when even the citizens don't care about them. this scene in particular is to make Superman miserable and it really worked.
What's the dynamic between Lois and Clark like?
Lois wants to break up with him and he wants to get more serious. I think it's a mixture of her own insecurities and the fact that although Superman and Clark are the same guy, they fight because she questions Superman's actions objectively and he thinks because what hes doing is the right thing, it shouldn't matter.
Together they're good but they barely have screen time. This Lois is not quite enough of a bitch for me but I buy their relationship, they're cute. They have some goofy back and forths at work about the fact Clark always gets to interview Superman and nobody else does.
Speaking of that i think the very end of the movie reveals Perry and Jimmy know he's Superman also but keep it between themselves. I might be reading into nothing.

I know the name Nathan Fillion from somewhere
He's been popular in nerd circles for 20 years because of Firefly, Castle & Dr Horrible's Sing a Long. I used to just not like him much as an actor. but he's one of those guys people throw around his name for every single role ever that over time ive grown to hate him because I dont understand his huge appeal. He's does fine with what he's given here (or the lack of)
 
He's been popular in nerd circles for 20 years because of Firefly, Castle & Dr Horrible's Sing a Long. I used to just not like him much as an actor. but he's one of those guys people throw around his name for every single role ever that over time ive grown to hate him because I dont understand his huge appeal. He's does fine with what he's given here (or the lack of)
Yeah, nerds say they love him for Firefly, but that was also the last time he acted as anything other than Frank Castle for the past 20 years.
 
I know pretty much everything I said about the movie was negative, but I'd like to emphasize I really didn't hate it. and I hate everything. The stuff I liked, I really liked. which was mostly specific moments, but im not really getting into because of spoilers, and the fact that nobody here wants to read that.

My problem with the movie, is point blank that it is a James Gunn movie. Which means the tone is fucked up, the action's shot bad, and we dont do enough focus on our core characters because we'd like to show off the characters he likes, because he thinks they're funny or weird.

I actually think, this exact script, from another director I maybe would have really liked it. well, not this exact script, I think you could change some shit to be more superman focused. you could cut the engineer entirely, the ultraman mystery (just do fucking bizarro) and if you absolutely needed the justice fags, we could have used characters who belong in a superman movie. alpha centurion, steel and the guardian or something. I liked Mr. Terrific but if you replaced him with John Henry Irons I'd probably be telling you this was my favorite movie in a decade. But really if someone reigned in the background gags and it took the threats a bit more seriously, it would have been better.

the biggest thing that is unfortunate about it to me, is if it's a success I think they'll double down on what I perceive as the worst parts of the movie and the next one will be the insufferable mess I feared this one to be. when as it stands, a sequel to this that focuses on Clark Kent, reporter and the Daily Planet cast after this one focused on Clark Kent, Superman, I would be really optimistic about because theres enough here that id like to see them make it better.

That said, Man of Steel is a much better movie. Superman the Movie is an even better movie. but this movie kicks the fuck out of Superman 4 and Returns. I like it more than 3 by default for having more actual comic book shit in it, but it is a mess narratively and tonally in a way that movie isnt.
 
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I know pretty much everything I said about the movie was negative, but I'd like to emphasize I really didn't hate it. and I hate everything. The stuff I liked, I really liked. which was mostly specific moments, but im not really getting into because of spoilers
I think mediocre is the closest word to describe how people have different opinions on this movie. I don't want to watch this movie so I'm glad for your reviews and opinions about it.

What I'm seeing online is that the cast is great but the script (like every other western media) drags it all down.
 
I mean to be fair @That Chris Guy, Ant Man and the Wasp were planned to be in the original Avengers before becoming scrapped sometime during production.
If by that you mean, in addition to all the other characters in the first film, they made the right decision. Too many cooks in the kitchen and all that.
Thunderbolts was that rare gem
If I wanted to see David Harbour get ritually humiliated by his co-stars for an hour, I'd rewatch Season 3 of Stranger Things.
 
This is a movie where the final act is a rip in space destroying metropolis from underneath and there is absolutely no weight to it. I can't stress enough how weird it is. The city feels entirely unlived in. The city is evacuated but in every major action scene, there is 0 sense of danger literally at all and it makes the movie feel really odd.

theres a scene where a guy is shot in the head point blank

Woah. That's a lot less kid-friendly than I expected this movie to be. But at the same time sounds like it jars tonally with the rest.
Warner Bros.: "We're moving on from Zack Snyder. So here is the dark stuff, like Metropolis being destroyed and a guy getting his head blown off, critics and audiences had issues with again."
 
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I know people give Thor: The Dark World a lot of shit, but I genuinely liked the first 15 or so minutes before they broke all pretense of caring and reverted to The Marvel Way™ of making stupid jokes every 30 seconds. Considering the trash that was Ragnarok and how most decent moments with Thor have been when they took him seriously, I think with 20/20 hindsight they should've played it straight.
I have a higher opinion of Dark World compared to most, though that might change as I see it getting a resurgence. I like that they played a majority of it straight and had some actual stakes. Would never have expected a Marvel film to kill the mother and throw a nice funeral.

Thor is the ultimate victim of the "Marvelization" of everything. What should have been a strong set of fantasy films degraded into a spiral of Thor "finding himself" while getting increasingly overtaken by irony and Marvel's obsession with Sci-Fi. Seriously, why is the big fantasy IP filled with nothing but space ships and laser guns.

When Ant-Man was teased, I thought Marvel was really scraping the bottom of the barrel , and it became a by-the-numbers thing. I guess they felt that growing/shrinking and magic was enough to differentiate the three, but different personalities would've helped. Strange has enough knowledge on otherworldly problems that it's not out of left field for him to be more serious - if he had a more serious, pragmatic personality, I think it would've worked better and had more mileage out of Cumberbatch.
They pretty much were scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Marvel's big hitters are Spider-Man and X-Men. Those two series are the only ones with their own fleshed out world, cast, rogues, etc.. Characters like Iron Man and Ant Man were built with the idea of the Avengers and wider Marvel universe carrying them. At best, they have 1-2 good villain and/or storylines to make use of without involving 20 other characters.

Iron Man was the strongest of the universe in terms of story-telling, and even he was directionless past the first. All of phase 1 was a repeat of Tony needing to take responsibility, while phase 2 and beyond were a repeat of Tony getting brain worms and deciding he needs to "end the fight," only to fuck up everything. I swear Iron Man 3, Avengers 2 and Civil War all give him the same plot. This might have worked if they had any interesting villains to add new dimensions, but every Iron Man villain sucked

Marvel can't even replicate it.
They really got lucky with Iron Man being the hit it was. RDJ as Iron Man carried the entire universe through sheer charisma. Marvel was also smart enough to drop an endpoint early with Thanos, so people felt compelled to see the story through.

They can't replicate the success as they don't have one strong character to wrap everything around, nor an end point for anyone to get invested in seeing.

They aren't the new kid on the block anymore. I think people were lenient on their writing deficiencies given they were the first to try a wider universe, but we are almost two decades out from this universe getting its start and every deficiency has arguably gotten worse since launch.
 
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They really got lucky with Iron Man being the hit it was. RDJ as Iron Man carried the entire universe through sheer charisma.
It was also long enough ago that the films weren't too neutered. I remember everyone laughing in the cinema in the second one where Natasha Romanov floors Happy in the ring and he says: "I want one" and Pepper says "No."

Probably wouldn't fly today.
 
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