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TV's Adam West said:
I'm tired of pretending Dash Rendar isn't the coolest shit ever.
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Then I'm tired of pretending Kyle Katarn isn't the best Star Wars character.
Eh kills stomtropers and doesn't afraid of anything
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and also he stole the Death Star plans or something.
And also saved the galaxy like 3 times in a row, two of them being from dark jedi or whatever.

Tbh if you count him stealing the plans as him indirectly causing its destruction along with the numerous enemies he kills in all 3 games you play as him he might even have the highest body count of any Jedi. Fucking metal. (Besides maybe Anakin himself.)
 
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The greater a'tuin said:
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So? Who would you bet on?
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As much as I'd bet on Vader, Anakin would win, hands-down. He lost by a fluke on Mustafar; yet he was able to crush Dooku rather easily; Dooku, who was equal to Yoda in AOTC. If you combined Anakin's raw power with the Force with Sidious' knowledge of the Dark Side, you'll have the SW equivalent of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead.

Anakin was the surrogate son that Chancellor Palpatine always wanted; Vader was the unwanted pool boy that the Emperor Palpatine was saddled with. He tried to move heaven and earth to get the former; he was willing to ditch the latter the moment an opportunity presented itself.
 
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I think the match up is a false comparison. It doesn't matter who's the more skilled as Vader would simply manipulate the battlefield to his advantage; he'd have won before lightsabers ignited.

The only hope Annkin would have would be to start talking about Padme and sand, and hope Vader dies of cringe from remembering how much of a spaz he used to be.

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IIRC, you just use Force Lightning on Vader and his life support systems will cease to function.
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Counter point, he doesn't actually need it, he runs on pure hate.
 
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Ghostse said:
I think the match up is a false comparison. It doesn't matter who's the more skilled as Vader would simply manipulate the battlefield to his advantage; he'd have won before lightsabers ignited.

The only hope Annkin would have would be to start talking about Padme and sand, and hope Vader dies of cringe from remembering how much of a spaz he used to be.
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Anakin has more raw Force energy and faster lightsaber reflexes than Vader. No amount of "manipulating the battlefield" will work. Anakin would just swat it away, evade, then get up close to turn Vader into scrap metal. And I say that as a Vader fan who knows his strengths and weaknesses. That shit didn't work with ROTJ Luke; it sure as hell won't work on ROTS Anakin, who is like the former, except faster, stronger, and more aggressive.
 
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Bob Barbas said:
Then I'm tired of pretending Kyle Katarn isn't the best Star Wars character.
Eh kills stomtropers and doesn't afraid of anything
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and also he stole the Death Star plans or something.
And also saved the galaxy like 3 times in a row, two of them being from dark jedi or whatever.

Tbh if you count him stealing the plans as him indirectly causing its destruction along with the numerous enemies he kills in all 3 games you play as him he might even have the highest body count of any Jedi. Fucking metal. (Besides maybe Anakin himself.)
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If the Crystal Star were written in the late 2000s early 2010s era, this guy should have been the protagonist instead of Luke, as Hethrir was KYLE'S villain
 
Speaking of Legends. I think before I went into the spiel about how they ruined a cool lore Legends tidbit I liked that justified why Vader didn't just come to Tatooine himself in Episode 4 or whatever?
Well okay, so Vader not wanting to return to tatooine ever again made a lot of sense considering it was his home planet and it was also of course where he lost his mother and such and it also retroactively made Obi-Wan deciding to hide Luke there a pretty good decision and yadda yadda yadda
One thing nobody ever talks about is it's kind of funny how it's never mentioned Vader has any issues returning to Naboo at all. You know, the home planet of his wife? And where he had his cringey romance scenes with her in AOTC?

It's also funny to realize that Palpatine's palace was on Naboo in Legends. Now I know that in Legends Naboo was Palpatine's homeworld too but he could have put his palace literally anywhere else in the galaxy. Hell it would have even been on brand for him to turn the former jedi temple into his palace. But nope, he chose Naboo and I would not put it past him to do that just to fuck with Vader and nothing else and make it super awkward any time he has to come over to his palace.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
Anakin has more raw Force energy and faster lightsaber reflexes than Vader. No amount of "manipulating the battlefield" will work. Anakin would just swat it away, evade, then get up close to turn Vader into scrap metal. And I say that as a Vader fan who knows his strengths and weaknesses. That shit didn't work with ROTJ Luke; it sure as hell won't work on ROTS Anakin, who is like the former, except faster, stronger, and more aggressive.
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If Order 66 had actually happened, and If Vader was in charge of Order 66, they would have used the orbital lasers I'm just saying.

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Somebody did a blog post where they did the numbers and showed that Order 66 and the purge were pretty successful in both canons.

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The issue is less if every jedi got got during Order 66 and more that more and more Jedi keep turning up alive which begs the question what they fuck were they doing in the interim. That is, there is nothing wrong or contradictory about a number of jedi surviving and Vader spending 10-20 years hunting them down. But every one that isn't dead by the time of ANH is another plot hole, and every one that imparted some sort of training makes it odder and odder no one ever came up and said "Oh hey, General Skywalker? I heard you were really good with force and it turns out..." or that Luke never brought them to Yoda or tried to pass along what he learned to this entire planet's worth of surviving padawans and temporary apprenti.

And that more and more of them keep turning up as a lazy plot device/background.

I guess the other thing is I feel having surviving Jedi cheapens the fresh start we're supposed to get at the end of RotJ and opens tons of plot holes.

Additionally it seems impossible that Palps wouldn't have had dedicated roll of Jedi members and meticulous accounting of every unaccounted for jedi. Its less that that are 60 named jedi still running around, its that no one knew they survived until they are introduced.
If they just came out an said "500 jedi were known to have survived Order 66" it would be less infuriating than the slow "Oh but also there's this guy they missed"
 
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Another aspect of the Tatooine thing is in Episode 4, Obi Wan was actually dressed in desert attire to blend in with common frontier people on Tatooine, when was the mistake made to have that then become the "Jedi Robe". I always thought it would have been foolish for Obi Wan to keep dressing like a Jedi Knight when he was trying to hide.
 
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HandsomeDan said:
Another aspect of the Tatooine thing is in Episode 4, Obi Wan was actually dressed in desert attire to blend in with common frontier people on Tatooine, when was the mistake made to have that then become the "Jedi Robe". I always thought it would have been foolish for Obi Wan to keep dressing like a Jedi Knight when he was trying to hide.
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That was always the intent: to make the standard attire of the Jedi inspired by a combination of Samurai clothing and Western monastic robes.
 
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Ghostse said:
Additionally it seems impossible that Palps wouldn't have had dedicated roll of Jedi members and meticulous accounting of every unaccounted for jedi. Its less that that are 60 named jedi still running around, its that no one knew they survived until they are introduced.
If they just came out an said "500 jedi were known to have survived Order 66" it would be less infuriating than the slow "Oh but also there's this guy they missed"
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Palpatine did. It's just that he didn't give a shit. Hunting down Order 66 survivors was Vader's obsession due to his hang-ups with Jedi hypocrisy. Palpatine didn't give a fuck; he was content to have a small number of surviving Jedi hide. He enjoyed the thought of the once-mighty Jedi hiding in bumfuckistan planets, submitting to the fact that the Sith now owned the galaxy.

HandsomeDan said:
Another aspect of the Tatooine thing is in Episode 4, Obi Wan was actually dressed in desert attire to blend in with common frontier people on Tatooine, when was the mistake made to have that then become the "Jedi Robe". I always thought it would have been foolish for Obi Wan to keep dressing like a Jedi Knight when he was trying to hide.
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Kenobi hid in a place where the commoners dressed a lot like the Jedi; it's like a Colombian hiding out with a bunch of Cubans. So long as he kept his mouth shut about who he was, they wouldn't question it.
 
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Ghostse said:
The issue is less if every jedi got got during Order 66 and more that more and more Jedi keep turning up alive which begs the question what they fuck were they doing in the interim. That is, there is nothing wrong or contradictory about a number of jedi surviving and Vader spending 10-20 years hunting them down. But every one that isn't dead by the time of ANH is another plot hole, and every one that imparted some sort of training makes it odder and odder no one ever came up and said "Oh hey, General Skywalker? I heard you were really good with force and it turns out..." or that Luke never brought them to Yoda or tried to pass along what he learned to this entire planet's worth of surviving padawans and temporary apprenti.
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Hit the mark right here; Yoda outright tells Luke he is the last Jedi, the force would have alerted him he was wrong otherwise. If there were even 10 active Jedi left why didn't they get together and help besiege the death star? There are only so many excuses of "they died/retired/fell to the dark side/got whisked to another galaxy" before the writing limits get predictably stale.
 
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The greater a'tuin said:
Hit the mark right here; Yoda outright tells Luke he is the last Jedi, the force would have alerted him he was wrong otherwise. If there were even 10 active Jedi left why didn't they get together and help besiege the death star? There are only so many excuses of "they died/retired/fell to the dark side/got whisked to another galaxy" before the writing limits get predictably stale.
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Because they were probably killed by Vader in the interim between Episodes 3 and 4. Most Jedi survivors were.

Most Jedi survivor stories I remember have a simple formula: "Hello, I'm Jedi Master Plot Device, allow me to help you Rebels fight your cau-oh, wait, is that Darth Vader?" *gets killed by Vader*

Hell, someone like Qu Rahn didn't even get to Vader. He got decapitated by Jerec.
 
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Phantom menace.
Closest to it before that is the dark jedi from Heir to the Empire
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That is no Dark Jedi. That's Jorus C'Baoth, the Jedi that the clone from Heir to the Empire was cloned from. The clone's name is Joruus C'baoth.

I kinda preferred Jorus over his clone. He had a vision, he was willing to train those who wish to get past their limits, and he was one of the few Jedi Masters who wasn't a complete bellend towards Anakin. It's just that he slowly became the Jedi Ayatollah as the Outbound Flight went on.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
That is no Dark Jedi. That's Jorus C'Baoth, the Jedi that the clone from Heir to the Empire was cloned from. The clone's name is Joruus C'baoth.

I kinda preferred Jorus over his clone. He had a vision, he was willing to train those who wish to get past their limits, and he was one of the few Jedi Masters who wasn't a complete bellend towards Anakin. It's just that he slowly became the Jedi Ayatollah as the Outbound Flight went on.
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He kind of looks like Khomenei as well.
 
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