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The greatest flaw of Liberalism, and I mean this in the traditional context of the term, in that the Republicans are Liberals too, is not the belief in "All men are created equal." That is a major flaw to be sure, in that it is farcical to even believe its true. The Greatest flaw of Liberalism is the belief that Power exists to bring about utopia. An utopia where everyone is happy, everyone is free, everyone gets what they want. That is not what power is for. Power exists to be used for the furtherment of those who wield it.

The purpose of morality and traditions is to inculcate in those who wield power a sense of duty and care to the nation and their subjects. Such that when Power is wielded, it is done for the benefit and advancement of both the wielder and his subjects. This is something traditional societies did. It is something Liberal societies do not. In fact, Liberal Societies are absolutely allergic to the idea that people need to be inculcated with the idea they are not an individual but a part of a great social structure in which greater power incurs greater responsibilities.
I agree with some of this, but "classical" (if that's what you meant by "traditional"?) Liberalism most certainly allows for, and sometimes assumes, "duty and care" by "those who wield power." Classical Liberalism is not devoid of morality and tradition; often-times, though, primary thinkers/ shapers of it assumed moral/ traditional/ cultural norms and simply didn't see much necessity of prescribing it through government.

In reality, "Classical Liberalism" has many strains of thought, fairly divergent on the role of state, import of economic theory, and general or personal humanitarianism/ decency/ morality. Most have a fairly hands-off view on legislated obligation, but not all Classical Liberals ignore it altogether. It's also worthwhile to situate some thinkers in their personal and socio-cultural locations, and what the common/ assumed expectations are. A man who personally values and feels obligation to others may argue for theoretically pure low interference in decisionmaking, but he may not fully extrapolate the impact of an absolutist strain of a society where there are no cultural traditions of general regard among men.

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The Greatest flaw of Liberalism is the belief that Power exists to bring about utopia. An utopia where everyone is happy, everyone is free, everyone gets what they want. That is not what power is for. Power exists to be used for the furtherment of those who wield it.
and also, "[...] when Power is wielded, it is done for the benefit and advancement of both the wielder and his subjects." Not all Classical Liberals are utopianists. And a general, if not articulated, notion of noblesse oblige was far more embedded in many Classical Liberal thinkers' assumptions than it sounds, because they largely spoke in theory-mode. Earlyish Classical Liberal philosophies, especially, of "leave people alone" incorporated certain assumptions about those with inborn or acquired power, the balance of human natur, and cultural (presumed universal, at least for all those who rated consideration) norms. Many of them believed that most humans would make good - or at least not macro-level devastating - choices, that there were enough "good men" making "good" (positive) choices...choices within the thinkers' own and observed contexts. If they committed (thought-) "crimes," it was the belief that morality (and common) tradition would flourish without either church or state (their primary focus was state) setting and enforcing requirements, and that neither raw individualists nor immorality nor straight self-interest could critically wound society.

There is no "Classically Liberal Society" on Earth. And in much of the world, at least in the US and Europe, Classical Liberalism as a cohesive theory has been bifurcated and repackaged current-day into aspects of certain versions of what we generally consider conservatism and liberalism.
 
I'm starting to wonder if his plan was to make all the people screaming "BETRAYAL" come off as so autistic and annoying that people stop talking about it just to avoid being associated with them.
We've already had at least two people get threadbanned for fedposting over it.
Suddenly reviewing episodes of Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis in the thread isn't so crazy anymore. In fact you have realized that you miss it.

WELL GOOD NEWS! I am on season five of Deep Space Nine so we are closer than ever to the return of Stargate. The chevrons are locking.

 
drunk posting

Wait, hold up. Are we not supposed to do this? You guys are way more fun after a few. Are you saying some of you are sober??

The Belgian X Files, North Fox Island, the BBC, UNICEF, The Round House, the Lambeth Ring, Midnight Productions, the Kincora ring, Chateau De Amorois, the Elm Guest House, and who could forget Marc Dutroux.

Jesus Christ. I knew about a few of these but what in the fuck????

What we should be asking, since old Don was pals with Eppy anyway and so likely involved somehow someway but we'll never know...

Why are the elite so into this shit?

My guess from my experiences with them: govt and crime go hand in hand. Drug smuggling, human trafficking, whatever. There are not clear lines. Also, it's totally about psychopathic levels of power and exclusion from the plebs.
 
I've said before that I don't think it's impervious to the same factors that are currently causing the fall of the West. The recent rise in liberalism there and importation of pajeets in particular is especially cause for concern. My point is that - currently - even the most globohomo city in Japan is not even comparable to most cities in the US and it's extremely disingenuous to claim that it is.
It really is though. But also you ignored my actual post by even starting this. Go back to living in delusions of “glorious nippon”
 
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Its actually insane that the dem appointed judges are willing to push things so far that now the question of birthright citizenship becomes incredibly consequential. No matter which direction the court goes its hard to imagine threading the needle in a way that doesn't shift the landscape of the country in profound ways. Nothing Ever Happens bros, thoughts?
Not really. Chances are it'll be tossed in the first, lowest court it gets to and every higher court then refusing to hear an appeal by jjust quoting the plain text of the 14th Amendment.
 
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We're not "demoralization agents" because we want Trump's promises fulfilled
did you really think rich and powerful people were going to suffer consequences for something? that only happens in fairy tales, societal collapses, or when they're arrogant enough to think their money makes them more powerful than natural forces like that Titanic submarine guy. and for the latter sometimes money can perform miracles like make man fly or travel to the moon

the espstein list is fun to meme about but we were never actually going to get a list of people that can have you disappeared or collapse the economy, or are connected to people who are. we don't live in a fairy tale and you can still buy twinkies for a few dollars at Walmart and a 50" TV for $170 on Amazon so we're not going to have a societal collapse anytime soon either

it sucks, but that's life bro
 
Jesus Christ. I knew about a few of these but what in the fuck????

What we should be asking, since old Don was pals with Eppy anyway and so likely involved somehow someway but we'll never know...
Donald Trump was one of the only people to actually help Epstein's victims. Either you, and the rest of the demoralizers, are completely piss ignorant about Epstein and Trump, or it's deliberate. To be honest, it's hard to tell which with you guys sometimes, but some of us have actually been paying attention for the last decade and change.

Why are the elite so into this shit?
Same reason gangs have initiations, now you're one of them and you can't go back.
 
Drunkposting is generally ill-advised. I haven't had a drop of alcohol in years.

That is a significant accomplishment. Must feel good. I try not to drunk post for obv reasons. Too easy to say stupid(er) shit.

Related: I also would like to believe altho you're all kinda weird, that you're good people IRL, doing the best you can and probably pretty chill to hang with.

So don't want to drag your day down with more negativity. We get enough of that in life. Faggot.
 
Is it the water or the Swedish origins of shitlib Minnesota, that leads to the state producing producing the kind of men that AI like Grok want to rape.
 
The dude is an angry drunk who turns on people.
You are utterly delusional. It's a goddamn message board, none of you are anything more than pixels. I don't even drink anymore, drank once in maybe two years and that was election night.

You make these huge accusations, with zero merit whatsoever.
 
I agree with some of this, but "classical" (if that's what you meant by "traditional"?) Liberalism most certainly allows for, and sometimes assumes, "duty and care" by "those who wield power." Classical Liberalism is not devoid of morality and tradition; often-times, though, primary thinkers/ shapers of it assumed moral/ traditional/ cultural norms and simply didn't see much necessity of prescribing it through government.
No. It absolutely does not. Liberalism establishes the Liberal State as an absolute establishment of the popular will. In traditional European Theology and Political theory, the State is not a "bottom up" phenomenon of the popular will. It is a "top down" phenomenon of God's ordered creation.

The United States, as a Liberal State, immediately proclaims its adherence to the core ethos of Liberalism in the opening preamble "We the people." An absurd notion, as if the people had anything to do with it. Every single member of the continental congress were landed aristocrats or wealthy merchants. They didn't revolt against their king for "the people". They revolted against their King because the King of England wouldn't give them patents of nobility (Southern Aristocrats) and trade rights (New England Merchants) respectively. The King of England also took things a step further and declared that the people of America were not Englishmen. They were subject peoples foreign to England. This was the final nail in the coffin of the first British Empire that united the common peasants of North America with the Aristocrats and caused the American revolution.

Lord North really should be pilloried more back in England for this fuck up. It was more his policies then George III. He managed to unite the Merchants, Landed gentry and Peasants in the 13 colonies against the crown. An amazing accomplishment of absolute incompetence.

The US however was the opening salvo and established the first Liberal State. There had been liberal revolts before, but the American Revolution was the first one to win. And its why the USA claims to be the worlds oldest democracy. Despite not actually being that.

And after it won, the US ultimately codified into law its sovereign will over the American people. No union of church and state being part of the 1st principle. And to this day every Americans clap like a seals about how this victory of freedom over tyranny is such a good thing.

Why DOES the US Government proscribe a State Religion? Its because a State Religion imposes external ideological and moral imperatives on the State itself. And a Liberal State cannot be bound by any imperatives but the immediate will and desire of "the people". Who are retarded. Which means the State has no guiding moral principles beyond careening from whatever desire the people have to whatever desire the people in charge can convince the people they have.

Liberal Thinkers have spent CENTURIES trying to figure out how to replace the Christian God in their liberal state. And they have failed. Failed in such utterly catastrophic ways that not only has their failure driven the Christian god from our lands, now the alien gods of Islam and Hinduism are being imposed on us by the "common humanity".

And people ask me why I am a monarchist.
 
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Can any of the doomposters name one single politician who'd ever have the docs published. Who do you think would have had the balls for it?

Now it's okay to not care about stopping pedos?

Since Trump partially ran on exposing the swamp as part of his campaign promise three times now and...

The swamp has tried to kill him multiple times.

What is happening here.
 
A lot of Asia is like that. When my parents came to visit me they were amazed at how they can leave their luggage unattended on the luggage rack on the train and everything will still be there afterwards.
Wanna know something stupid. I worked an info booth at a NASCAR race (they pay local club/church/charity, you deal with shit hours to make your club/church/charity money) and due to a rules change tons of attendees had to leave their seat cushions (metal rails and frames) outside next to our tent. Not one got stolen out of hundreds of chairs, tens of thousands of attendees, half of them trashed. We didn't know whos were whos... they were just in a pile vaguely near our tent and everyone knew it.
White trash doesn't steal... so who's doing all of the theft?
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The last time I was in Japan, I needed to get to a particular address. I managed to get close to it but couldn't find it because holy fuck the way street addresses work there is incomprehensible sometimes. So I went into the nearest 7-11 to ask for directions. The clerk literally took me by the arm and escorted me to where I needed to go. That's the difference between Japan and the US.
Hey, I ran into a random lost looking dude at the gas station last week and lead him to the factory he was interviewing for a job at. We do that here too.
 
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