One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

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I don’t know why this is suddenly becoming a criticism like it hasn’t been hamfistedly telegraphed since Drum Kingdom when Oda revealed Luffy and Roger shared the D. initial. In fact, Luffy not being Roger’s son (despite the math not working out) was a shock to a lot of the fanbase post-Enies Lobby. Plus the running theme of the importance of family, both biological and found, going back to the first chapter. Besides, all these characters are where they are more in despite who their families are than due to them.
Probably because of a fatigue from overuse, or at least overuse done poorly. Almost like any accomplishments aren’t as “earned as they could/should be”.

As for One Piece specifically, I think it’s a desire to go back to when things were just a boy with a hat going on a voyage to find a treasure, rather than the massive world spanning epic where that same treasure basically hold massive stakes (thanks, Whitebeard).

Think of it like Naruto: a lot of the story issues people had came when after it was revealed that Itachi murdered his entire clan (and spared Sasuke) On orders from the village to prevent a coup. Or the increasingly convoluted plans of Madara, Obito, and Kaguya.
 
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As for One Piece specifically, I think it’s a desire to go back to when things were just a boy with a hat going on a voyage to find a treasure, rather than the massive world spanning epic where that same treasure basically hold massive stakes (thanks, Whitebeard).
This was never going to be the case; it’s obvious from literal page one that such a voyage necessitated Luffy to become a major mover in the world. If anything, the story theming that most exemplified Luffy’s humble origins that actually got abandoned once they entered the Grand Line was the idea of what makes something a treasure, and this is more a consequence of Oda not wanting the One Piece to be the friends we made along the way. And if this is what fans want they make a poor showing of it, because every time Oda has emulated the types of stories from the East Blue in the Grand Line (Skypiea, Davy Back Fight), it gets maligned en masse.
 
It had been suspected for a while, but I guess it is finally confirmed that Blackbeard is also the child of someone really powerful. I know a lot of manga do this, but I kind of don't like how notable characters all have to be from great families. Luffy, Blackbeard and Shanks were cooler when they were nobodies who fought their way up from nothing. I guess they still kind of are that, but now that is compounded by them having the blood of one of the most important men in the OP universe. I know I'm sperging and other series are far worse about this than OP, Rocks still has a really cool design. It's amazing how long we can go being teased about a character without seeing them in this series.
Nobody's parentage has actually mattered though.

Luffy is strong because he works hard, even Reyligh only showed him the basics of how to use Haki, Luffy mastered that on his own.
Coby went from Nobody to a top 1% in the world fighter through sheer effort so we know anybody can become a top dog just through work.
 
Not to go off topic, but has anyone else felt less inclined to enjoy One Piece since the Tankies appropriated it and are pretending like Luffy is a class-conscious revolutionary marxist?
No because they are retards who think they would be on the side of Luffy when really they would be licking the Celestial Dragon's feet in hopes for some crumbs.
 
No because they are retards who think they would be on the side of Luffy when really they would be licking the Celestial Dragon's feet in hopes for some crumbs.
Obviously, but it's so cringe that it kind of ruins it for me. It's the same as those midwits arguing that Yamato is trans because they can't stop injecting their idpol nonsense into anything even vaguely popular.
 
Obviously, but it's so cringe that it kind of ruins it for me. It's the same as those midwits arguing that Yamato is trans because they can't stop injecting their idpol nonsense into anything even vaguely popular.
I just laugh at them coping that "NOUGH LUFFY WOULD LOVE ME" and remember that Yamato is the best GIRL with a big ass pair of titties and instead of crying to a therapist about Daddy issues She tried to kill him like a real fucking G.

Edit : Remember Oden is such a fucking Chad the guys want to be him....and THE GIRLS ALSO WANT TO BE HIM
 
Obviously, but it's so cringe that it kind of ruins it for me. It's the same as those midwits arguing that Yamato is trans because they can't stop injecting their idpol nonsense into anything even vaguely popular.
Just keep in mind the only reason they entertain this thought about Yamato because she’s a woman with giant tits, and they only entertain the idea of Kiku being trans because he passes enough to get hit on by Yokozuna (conveniently ignoring that this whole thing is a punchline regarding Kiku being male). The real trans representation are literally the Okama, who are predatory and physically ugly with the sole exception for the former is Mr. 2.
 
This was never going to be the case; it’s obvious from literal page one that such a voyage necessitated Luffy to become a major mover in the world. If anything, the story theming that most exemplified Luffy’s humble origins that actually got abandoned once they entered the Grand Line was the idea of what makes something a treasure, and this is more a consequence of Oda not wanting the One Piece to be the friends we made along the way. And if this is what fans want they make a poor showing of it, because every time Oda has emulated the types of stories from the East Blue in the Grand Line (Skypiea, Davy Back Fight), it gets maligned en masse.
Let me put it another way.

Yes, Luffy would have to become a big name to become pirate king. And at a certain point he knew his actions would get people’s attention.

My thing about it is that we could have just had a throwaway line or panel to explain what the one piece is or isn’t way before “he laughed” (and maybe we still can), and beyond that, maybe some people don’t want things to be where the treasure will be found by “somebody carrying the weight of history challenging the world to a fight” that Roger is seemingly waiting for from the other side because He was “too early”. Or have it be that the treasure is something that the government is afraid of somebody finding because of how it’ll change the world, and it may or may not be connected to a kingdom, whose existence down to its very name makes the government shit bricks, if not an entire house of bricks, which made them wipe away a whole century of history with censorship that’d put Stalin manipulating pictures to shame. And they probably don’t want the government to have some shadow ruler either.

The thing Oda has done is have it where Luffy looks to be the chosen one of prophecy to do many things talked about in the lore, or be the key to them, but he doesn’t know or care.

So the most we get of Joy Boy after Fishman Island and his broken promise is Zunesha saying Joy Boy has returned after Gear 5 starts to be unlocked. And the mentions of the sun god is the Gorosei talking about how it’s connected to the devil fruit he has (the name of which they also censored and manipulated), while talking about their frustrations in failing to not get their hands on said devil fruit, like the fruit has a mind of its own. Or how Vegapunk talks about Nika while the SHs whose dreams don’t require beating people up to achieve them look at him and go “What? You’re telling us Luffy has a literal GOD MODE?” And I honestly think that speaks to Oda’s skills as a writer.

In the end, I think some want the stakes to be a lot lower, and these are just a few reasons why.

Just keep in mind the only reason they entertain this thought about Yamato because she’s a woman with giant tits, and they only entertain the idea of Kiku being trans because he passes enough to get hit on by Yokozuna (conveniently ignoring that this whole thing is a punchline regarding Kiku being male).
I thought the reason for the trans justification was the dedication to the Oden LARP and folks being cool with it, even with Kaido referring to Yamato as his son.


The real trans representation are literally the Okama, who are predatory and physically ugly with the sole exception for the former is Mr. 2.
Good luck with that, Netflix.
 
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In the end, I think some want the stakes to be a lot lower, and these are just a few reasons why.
I understand the criticism, but it’s bad criticism. It’s dissatisfaction the scope of a story didn’t stagnate, a death knell for any narrative. The One Piece they invision, where Luffy is farting around with low level problems until suddenly stumbling on the One Piece, would make it indistinguishable to almost all the other shonen slop, especially those that are contemporary to when OP started. You need serial escalation of some element of your story to keep your audience invested, and since Luffy’s character growth occurs in fits and starts and almost entirely off-screen, that leaves Oda with increasing the scale of the plot. Further, it ignores foundational concepts to the story for the sake of complaining.

While the weakest part of modern OP is Nika, this stems less from it supposedly granting Luffy unwarranted influence in the overarching subplots and more a consequence of Oda writing himself into a corner and not quite pulling off the Looney Tunes-esque antics he pictured for the Kaido fight; all Luffy does is end up punching Kaido really hard, and outcome Oda was actively attempting to avoid. But characters with the initial D. being related has been outright stated as far back as Enies Lobby and only reinforced since, and Rocks was introduced as Rocks D. Xebec. It’s all speed readers and slop consoomers getting upset the series they’re reading as it’s serialized (objectively the worst way to consume any media) isn’t adhering to how they outlined it in their head.

I thought the reason for the trans justification was the dedication to the Oden LARP and folks being cool with it, even with Kaido referring to Yamato as his son.
This is all a veneer to legitimize said belief towards Yamato’s character; were she not a woman with giant tits they would not expend the effort.
 
Not to go off topic, but has anyone else felt less inclined to enjoy One Piece since the Tankies appropriated it and are pretending like Luffy is a class-conscious revolutionary marxist?
<🗿> Not really. All that does is serve as another point as to why their ideologies are childish, fictional, and has no basis in reality. Yeah, no kings if they're Drum Island Wapol and Imu, but lol lmao otherwise </🗿>
 
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One of the big problems with One Piece is how insufferably woke the story has become ever since the time skip.

It wasn't enough for the Celestial Dragons to own slaves and kill anyone that annoyed them for fun . Now we know that they also hold a festival every three years where they go to a randomly selected Island and genocide all the inhabitants there for sport. If this event has been going on since the Void century
( 800 years ago ) then that means that at least 266 Island have fallen victim to this senseless slaughter. Somehow the marines remained loyal to the Celestial Dragons despite knowing that this "festival" was a thing and they never did anything about it, not Sengoku, not Garp, not Kong , not Akainu etc so much for justice and being the lesser of two evils compared to the pirates. Everyone that has ever associated with the World Government have all received a massive karma penalty after this information was revealed.

There's also the Okama Island crap, Ivankov and all the other Revolutionary Commanders being disgusting degenerates , Yamato being a non binary mary sue, the samurai femboy pretending to be a woman and being allowed into the womens bathroom, etc

During the pre time skip era there were some questionable moments but overall the story had a lot more morally grey characters than just generic black and white ones.
 
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One of the big problems with One Piece is how insufferably woke the story has become ever since the time skip.

It wasn't enough for the Celestial Dragons to own slaves and kill anyone that annoyed them for fun . Now we know that they also hold a festival every three years where they go to a randomly selected Island and genocide all the inhabitants there for sport. If this event has been going on since the Void century
( 800 years ago ) then that means that at least 266 Island have fallen victim to this senseless slaughter. Somehow the marines remained loyal to the Dragons despite knowing that this "festival" was a thing and they never did anything about it, not Sengoku, not Garp, not Kong , not Akainu etc so much for justice and being the lesser of two evils compared to the pirates. Everyone that has ever associated with the World Government have all received a massive karma penalty after the information was revealed.

There's also the Okama Island crap, Ivankov and all the other Revolutionary Commanders being disgusting degenerates , Yamato being a non binary marry su, the samurai femboy pretending to be a woman, etc

During the pre time skip era there were some questionable moments but overall the story had a lot more morally grey characters than just generic black and white ones.
Sir, this a Wendy’s.

Anyway, I’ve always assumed that the Celestial Dragons being over the top with what they do for fun and what they can get away with is supposed to be as over the top as it is because Oda is setting it up for them to be extremely humbled and maybe even lose their special perks in the endgame.

Alongside that, I have to believe the reason why Oda hadn’t spent much time exploring things like how the Celestial Dragons lord over everything including the Marines is because it’s rooted in how the system was created, and Oda really likes to have it only be very specific times where he uses panels to explain lore.

I personally think it’s because Oda doesn’t want folks to figure out the puzzle and solve it before he gives all the pieces because it can be very easy to realize and potentially spoil the ending if he just goes in detail about things and then a fan will go “And then Luffy will do things X, Y, and Z, and this is what the treasure is. The end.” But, I understand the game being played here.

As for Okama and the revolutionaries and those Wano folks you mentioned, I think the only person in that group who makes a big deal of identity is Yamato, which is probably a legit criticism that can be issued, because even without the political bullshit, it’s akin to a running joke that goes on for way too long if you don’t like that kind of thing.
 
One of the big problems with One Piece is how insufferably woke the story has become ever since the time skip.

It wasn't enough for the Celestial Dragons to own slaves and kill anyone that annoyed them for fun . Now we know that they also hold a festival every three years where they go to a randomly selected Island and genocide all the inhabitants there for sport. If this event has been going on since the Void century
( 800 years ago ) then that means that at least 266 Island have fallen victim to this senseless slaughter. Somehow the marines remained loyal to the Dragons despite knowing that this "festival" was a thing and they never did anything about it, not Sengoku, not Garp, not Kong , not Akainu etc so much for justice and being the lesser of two evils compared to the pirates. Everyone that has ever associated with the World Government have all received a massive karma penalty after the information was revealed.

There's also the Okama Island crap, Ivankov and all the other Revolutionary Commanders being disgusting degenerates , Yamato being a non binary marry su, the samurai femboy pretending to be a woman, etc

During the pre time skip era there were some questionable moments but overall the story had a lot more morally grey characters than just generic black and white ones.
Incomming political post, sorry mods.

I partly agree with you and I partly don't. On the one hand, I think you are misunderstanding what wokeness is, particularily the first part of your post. It has nothing to do with characters being generic black and white morality or not. If an ultra conservative with staunch traditionalist leanings make a show where all the libtards are one note phychopaths that destroy everything in their paths, is that woke? Wokeness simply refers to the current state of managerial ultra liberalism and is in reality nothing new.

On the otherhand, One Piece just follows the same post war consensus universalist morality that any other piece of popular fiction has for the past decades. This leads me to my next point which is that you completely ignore race narratives and hyperfixate on the gender and sex angle. It literally had a recent chapter where a character goes on about how good race mixing is and constantly drives the fact that the elites are racist and hierachical. This is because it promotes the same message of individualism and libertinism with any form of social hierarchy and prejudice being pathologized as the ultimate evil and of no rationality. Just look at how Big Mom's society is portrayed compared to Kaido. There is literally no forms of societal decay or trauma caused by Big mom's multicultural ideology despite the fact a multicultural society is known for its conflicts. Wano on the other hand is completely impoverished and traumatized under Kaido with his own survival of the fittest ideology being partly the culprit.



Makes you wonder when the shift from treasure hunt to “LOTR tier worldbuilding with pirates” happened in earnest.
I have also been thinking of this. I'd say that pre timeskip was much more character focused on developing its characters while post timeskip would slowly shift to world building with the Reverie arc being when it would truly kick of due to the reveal of Imu and othyer details. The Wano arc is the one that changed One Piece forever, I think. This is evident through character flashbacks. Oden revealed more about Roger's journey, Kuma revealed more about God Valley and now the Harold flashback revealed more about Rocks and Shanks.
 
Yamato, which is probably a legit criticism that can be issued,
Can be, but you would be kind of missing the point, Yamato isn't saying she is a man because "Muh gender special" she is saying she is a Man because she is hyper focused on a very specific person who happened to be a guy because 5 year old Yamato saw Oden BOIL FOR A AN HOUR and thought Oden was the most badass motherfucker to have ever lived.

As for Kiku..I would generally say if One Piece were "Woke" Kiku would have been made a much bigger deal of and would have killed Kanjurno when she had the shot...and probably wouldn't have lost an arm to Kaido. I would say Kiku being a Troon has less to do with Wokeness and more to do with the fact that all of the Humans in Odens enterouge were criminals and degerates.

Anyway, I’ve always assumed that the Celestial Dragons being over the top with what they do for fun and what they can get away with is supposed to be as over the top as it is because Oda is setting it up for them to be extremely humbled and maybe even lose their special perks in the endgame.

Alongside that, I have to believe the reason why Oda hadn’t spent much time exploring things like how the Celestial Dragons lord over everything including the Marines is because it’s rooted in how the system was created, and Oda really likes to have it only be very specific times where he uses panels to explain lore.
At this point I am presuming that Imu and Co have a very specific set up that basically keeps them in command that..The One Piece can fuck with.

There is literally no forms of societal decay or trauma caused by Big mom's multicultural ideology despite the fact a multicultural society is known for its conflicts.
I would put this on the fact that Big Mom has ruled for decades with an Iron Fist and if you step out of line you spin the wheel, and it is very clearly shown that Big Mom's territory is not a place you want to live.
 
with it being confirmed and all i guess blackbeard beating ace must have been a very enjoyable moment for him given how it was just the sons of roger and rocks facing off. with the son of rocks getting the final victory. also i gotta say at this point the day dragon does something cant come soon enough because right now he is losing in the whos dad is the strongest competition. also what are the odds blackbeard never knew he was the son of rocks until later on in life and thats what caused him to form a crew the way he did
 
I would put this on the fact that Big Mom has ruled for decades with an Iron Fist and if you step out of line you spin the wheel, and it is very clearly shown that Big Mom's territory is not a place you want to live.
Yeah it is basically a surveilance state. I think part of my view of it is because of watching so much One Piece youtubers frame it as because Big Mom believing in a twisted version of multiculturalism and racial unification witth no thought if the same applies to kaido or that mass surveilance has become an inevitable part of multicultuiral societies to reduce conflict.
 
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