DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[PrettySneakyCis]

Lex and Joker is a great combination so long as you get a writer who understands both characters and doesn't change either one to make their ideas work.
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For example, Luthor thinks of himself as the good guy and Joker thinks of himself as the victim. Both of their flaws right there on one page:
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As an aside, people mentioned Lex creating his ideal girlfriend. It's interesting that his ideal girlfriend is one that challenges him and is simultaneously devoted and rebellious. Epitomised in Robot Lois, here in this same storyline killing a henchman and getting Joker to take the blame. Why does Joker cover for her? You could come up with a dozen reasons. If the Joker is going to have a motivation, I prefer it to be multiple choice.
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So how political is the new Superman movie? It's been touched on here and there in people's comments but given all the pre-release interviews, I'd like to know how much a Conservative or Trump supporter is going to feel targeted going into this thing?

Just wanted to comment of how good an arc The Black Ring was and everyone should read it. It suffers a little by getting sucked into the current Superman event du jour, but it has some amazing moments. Everyone references Lex’s moment of godhood and how he just can’t let his grudge go, but his encounter with Death of the Endless was kind of beautiful and understated. He does all this Luthor posturing before he finally gets what is happening to him. God, Lex is such a great character when written well.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I saw the new Superman movie today. Awful. Don't go. I feel like I paid money to watch James Gunn wanking himself off for two hours. In IMAX. I'm so glad Superman broke out of Twitter-jail where the evil monkey troll-bots live, and managed to stop the war between Israussia and Ukrestine.

I feel like it says a lot that this is the first time, while watching a film, I've genuinely found myself, at several points, hoping the dog would die.

i bet the film was probably an hour longer and things were allowed to breathe a lot more and all the characters were given more screentime. If i was WB, about a month from now i'd announce a "director's cut" but exclusively on their shitty streaming service.

Literally kill yourself. I can't think of anything fucking worse than watching MORE of this dreck. But I swear to fucking God, every single time there's a discussion about an inevitably shit DC movie, they'll always be some fucking autist like you claiming that if only the studios'd be brave enough to release the full three-week-long cut that reflects the director's true vision, they'd magically have an exceptional, universally beloved film on their hands that will change cinema forever!

If anything, I think movies are too fucking long nowadays. Back in the day, a movie'd be about an hour and forty minutes. If you can't tell me your story in that amount of time, odds are, you have a bad movie and no amount of screentime is going to help it. Fucking cut that shit to within an inch of its life. People have got shit to do. They shouldn't be made to sit around and endure some overpaid, Twitter-addicted Hollywood faggot's malformed idea of everyman relatability.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

It isn't really. Its just culture war fags on both side being culture war fags. You could argue lex is Elon but it's a stretch. The only political shit is that superman basically stops the Russia Ukraine conflict by threatening not Putin, then in the end of the movie

Spoiler: End

the justice queers actually finish what he started and hawkgirl kills fake putin

So, is this movie Manchester Black approved then?

 

[Humble Architect]

So, is this movie Manchester Black approved then?

Gunn really wants to do the Authority.

Which the only good team member is Jack, the most likley to be cut.

“What? Because I have some unorthodox political views, I’m supposed to desecrate my face with ethnic shrapnel?”

 

[The greater a'tuin]

He was behind a Netflix animated series last year if that counts.

This was a meandering hot mess. Sneeder feeds off of not ending his stories properly so he can swindle his devotees for more.

If the new Superman box office tracking is anything to go by, he probably won't be given a chance/WB will politely show Gunn's cringey, self-absorbed ass the door. Also, there's been a bunch of blind celebrity gossip suggesting executives were pissed at Gunn since he ignored their suggestions & consultants. The executives did not feel confident in the film he delivered & Supergirl is apparently trash.

Why did they choose him in the first place? Suicide Slop flops constantly and his smarmy "Guardians of the Squad: Monsters Unleashed" style is not the best fit for Superman's tone.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Why did they choose him in the first place? Suicide Slop flops constantly and his smarmy "Guardians of the Squad: Monsters Unleashed" style is not the best fit for Superman's tone.

They couldn't get anyone else and he had Marvel credits to his name. No really, they tried to entice Feige to run the universe, but he declined. Gunn took the gig after Disney let him go for his Tweets, so he was willing to play ball with DC.

WB is just patently retarded and no one wants to work with them. They tried to get comic writers like Johns to run things, but he eventually quit. I guess they could have tried to bring in their animation department, but they likely would have run them out too. Also, animation is for losers and those nerds don't have the high caliber names to put buts in seats, at least, I am assuming that is why they didn't go the obvious route.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Why did they choose him in the first place? Suicide Slop flops constantly and his smarmy "Guardians of the Squad: Monsters Unleashed" style is not the best fit for Superman's tone.

The most frustrating thing for me, is that there were two characters in that movie who I think WOULD have suited James Gunn's style. Guy Gardner and Mister Terrific. They were quite good fun, I could probably have been persuaded to watch a movie with either of them in the lead role.

Not Hawkgirl, though - she was honestly barely even a character, and seemed like she was there solely to make up the numbers (Also, Superman apparently isn't allowed to take sides in the Russraeli/Paleskraine conflict, but Hawkgirl can just straight up murder a world leader in cold blood and everybody's cool with it?)

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

she was honestly barely even a character, and seemed like she was there solely to make up the numbers

She was probably added to get some DCAU fans in. She is the only one that is even slightly recognizable to normies out of that group, unless you really liked Guy in Batman Brave & The Bold.

 

[IsaACKRepentance]

I enjoyed the movie I found most of it very heartwarming, a few parts very cringe. Overall a good film especially for DC standards.

I think James Gunn is a retard for making his OF" COURSE THE MOVIE IS POLITICAL" statement before it came out. He was asking for his funny capeshit movie to get dragged into the culture war.

All the "political shit" works in the sense of a capeshit subplot but really falls apart when applied to real life. If he never said that I think it would've worked better in my mind. As it is I had trouble taking that subplot seriously.

The rest of the movie was fun and I loved how Superman is protecting people at every moment and just being an overall swell dude during his fights.

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I enjoyed the movie I found most of it very heartwarming, a few parts very cringe. Overall a good film especially for DC standards.

I think James Gunn is a retard for making his OF" COURSE THE MOVIE IS POLITICAL" statement before it came out. He was asking for his funny capeshit movie to get dragged into the culture war.

All the "political shit" works in the sense of a capeshit subplot but really falls apart when applied to real life. If he never said that I think it would've worked better in my mind. As it is I had trouble taking that subplot seriously.

The rest of the movie was fun and I loved how Superman is protecting people at every moment and just being an overall swell dude during his fights.

I agree. People get too caught up with trying to compare comic book shit to real life. Do I need to explain to you the inherent flaws in trying to seriously compare mutants, or any kind of super-powered beings, to any real-life minority groups?

 

[Overly Serious]

I agree. People get too caught up with trying to compare comic book shit to real life. Do I need to explain to you the inherent flaws in trying to seriously compare mutants, or any kind of super-powered beings, to any real-life minority groups?

If the people who make them stop trying to push their works as commentaries on real life culture and politics, then maybe I'll stop seeing them as such.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Back in the day, a movie'd be about an hour and forty minutes.

This movie needed to be an hour and maybe 45-50 minutes.

Also, Superman apparently isn't allowed to take sides in the Russraeli/Paleskraine conflict, but Hawkgirl can just straight up murder a world leader in cold blood and everybody's cool with it?

Well, by the end of the movie you see....shut up and don't think about it.

She was probably added to get some DCAU fans in. She is the only one that is even slightly recognizable to normies out of that group, unless you really liked Guy in Batman Brave & The Bold.

Hawkgirl's addition was....strange. I like Hawkgirl. She's probably my favorite from the DCAU. I don't see this incarnation being anywhere near as likeable.

I agree. People get too caught up with trying to compare comic book shit to real life. Do I need to explain to you the inherent flaws in trying to seriously compare mutants, or any kind of super-powered beings, to any real-life minority groups?

If the people who make them stop trying to push their works as commentaries on real life culture and politics, then maybe I'll stop seeing them as such.

Bullshit. Comics were always commentaries on real life culture. Why do you think Xavier's in a wheelchair and it's called School for the Gifted like it's a fucking handicap school? Captain America is literally punching Hitler in the face. Its just when you make it so blatantly obvious that it becomes tiresome. If Variety didn't back him into a corner in an interview and twist his words out like the scumbags they are, and he kept his damn mouth shut on his own, we wouldn't have this problem. Sure it'd be heavy and ham fisted but people are clearly subbing in different wars as commentaries so James Gunn at least did his job in murking it up enough that in the future when people forget about these conflicts, nobody will care. It meant the movie would age well.

Or it would've if Gunn didn't pack his own therapy session into the damn movie because that was very dated. Even for today.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

This movie made me suspect that James Gunn is probably a very irresponsible dog owner, whose dog is very poorly socialised, and that he wrongly assumes that this is just normal and will make for a really relatable experience for his audience, because, "Jeez, aren't dogs a nightmare? Amirite?"

No James. Not really. Not if they're trained properly and well looked after. Now keep your horrible ratty little mongrel on his fucking lead, pick up his dogshit and fuck off.

 

[Prester John]

I've never seen a movie with so many reviewers who can't seem to make up their minds. So many are saying it's both good and bad, it's great and awful, etc. After the Rotten Tomatoes score dropped, the YouTube reviewers seem to be hedging their verdict. Nothing I've heard, though, really gets me excited to go see the movie.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

This movie made me suspect that James Gunn is probably a very irresponsible dog owner, whose dog is very poorly socialised, and that he wrongly assumes that this is just normal and will make for a really relatable experience for his audience, because, "Jeez, aren't dogs a nightmare? Amirite?"

No James. Not really. Not if they're trained properly and well looked after.

Not really. Superman even says Krypto's bad behavior is a problem. It's all set up for a very long joke that I won't spoil.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Not really. Superman even says Krypto's bad behavior is a problem. It's all set up for a very long joke that I won't spoil.

I know the punchline, I've seen the movie. It doesn't make the characterisation of Krypto any less obnoxious. It's made me genuinely regret any positive statements I may have made about that dog, based on the footage of him in the trailer. He's not cute, he's not charming, he's not funny, and if he was my Super-Dog, I'd have him Super-Put down.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

If anything, I think movies are too fucking long nowadays. Back in the day, a movie'd be about an hour and forty minutes.

Black Panther 2 is THREE FUCKING HOURS LONG.

 

[Humble Architect]

You know what the “cancelled” arc shows?

Gunn still thinks he did nothing wrong and is still chapped that “low IQ monkeys” had a problem with him working for Disney and having an obsession with child sodomy.

 

[draggs]

The movie could have been thoughtful with the whole here's why it's a bad idea for superheroes to get involved in human politics, but instead it goes the other way with

Spoiler

Hawkgirl killing not-Putinyahu.

Having it all be Luthor's scheme is only to provide a flimsy justification for 'might makes right, those with superpowers should do whatever they want to make those pesky humans behave.' ie pure supervillain thinking

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

So who will the villain in the sequel be, Zod or Doomsday? Because Luthor, Zod, and Doomsday are the only Superman villains that exist in movies.