DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[AnsemSoD1]

It was also long enough ago that the films weren't too neutered. I remember everyone laughing in the cinema in the second one where Natasha Romanov floors Happy in the ring and he says: "I want one" and Pepper says "No."

Probably wouldn't fly today.

I really liked Natasha's non-Black Widow outfit and hairstyle back then as well, like a cute but deadly office worker.

 

[el bandito loco]

Warner Bros.: "We're moving on from Zack Snyder. So here is the dark stuff, like Metropolis being destroyed and a guy getting his head blown off, critics and audiences had issues with again."

It's not the same though, that type of stuff is basically necessary for a Superman movie to some extent, and it's in this movie again, but due to their reactionary bullshit it goes way too far the opposite direction where it feels like an episode of Super Friends in the weight of the violence so it's meaningless.

They actually did a lot of the same shit. The basic plot is Batman vs Superman. Lex Luthor orchestrated some shit in a foreign nation to continue turning the public against superman, and then after he's beaten down from the public backlash has a convoluted scheme to get him killed. Its the same on the very broadest level.

The problem, is I like lots of destruction and violence in my superhero stuff, but it needs to feel like it has stakes with that. It doesnt have to go into disaster movie territory like Man of Steel, but this movie straight up has people walking up to windows and looking out of them and taking selfies while Superman fights a Godzilla 6 feet away from the glass.

Yeah, yeah, another day in Metropolis. It's the DC Universe, fine. but there has to be some danger. I know what youre saying is they just did the same shit again, and they did. But thats basically every superhero thing.

 

[Michael Wade]

Boomer dad wants to go see it so I'll be there to check Superman out. The impression I'm getting from angry Joe's review without watching it all is that the movie is fine, but it's too... Disjointed to be considered properly good or bad. Which makes sense. I heard the cut made for release was very last min.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

There's a reason the Snyder fanboys prefer some insane 4 hour edition of their Snyder slop, he can't condense worth a fuck. He's also stupid enough to not realize where his strengths lay.

Znyder also gave us about a nearly flawless movie adaptation for watchmen, as flawless as you could make it for the big screen at least.

I really wanna see snyder direct a TV series now.

Don't necessarily need the origin story, everyone already knows it, and whatever your totally unique subverting expectations spin on it isn't going to make a good movie.

Counterpoint, we've never actually gotten a low level "year one origin story" of superman like the first spiderman film.

Everyone just automatically assumes "Everyone knows that shit anyway" and just does another "superman saves the entire fucking planet" schtick that's gotten older than the actual origin story. So now we have superman being born and 5 minutes later being a fully established fully realized virtuous supergod in every single incarnation.

Fact of the matter is, the more grounded your hero is, the more intresting they are. Having superman fight interstellar horrors every single installment is the reason everyone thinks superman is a lame character.

Unironically just do superman year one when he's like 19 and still figuring out his powers over time, going from stopping muggers, to saving banks from gangs to an actual villain for the third act.

 

[el bandito loco]

Boomer dad wants to go see it so I'll be there to check Superman out. The impression I'm getting from angry Joe's review without watching it all is that the movie is fine, but it's too... Disjointed to be considered properly good or bad. Which makes sense. I heard the cut made for release was very last min.

Probably so. I didn't time it but it was barely 2 hours long. I think thats why it feels like so much of it was sort of empty characterization wise, because there really wasn't any time to do more than they did with all the excessive plot stuff.

 

[The Nothingness]

I really wanna see snyder direct a TV series now.

He was behind a Netflix animated series last year if that counts.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

He was behind a Netflix animated series last year if that counts.

Isn't that the one where they negrified half the gods?

 

[draggs]

It's kinda crazy to me that WB can't make a half-decent live-action DC movie plot, or script in general, but it has a pretty good track record with its animated movies. Maybe WB should try putting their DCAU people in charge of that shit, see how it goes

 

[AnsemSoD1]

It's kinda crazy to me that WB can't make a half-decent live-action DC movie plot, or script in general, but it has a pretty good track record with its animated movies. Maybe WB should try putting their DCAU people in charge of that shit, see how it goes

I've always wondered why they never tried this.

 

[The Nothingness]

Isn't that the one where they negrified half the gods?

Based on the fan wiki, the only god of the main cast that got that treatment is Freya while Loki's appearance makes him look like a dark elf.

 

[Itterasshai]

Saw the film today. Do not care for Superman as a character one way or another, but I did like him here. Perhaps it was the broccoli haircut making him relatable to a zoomie zoom-zoom like me.

Somehow, Eve Teschmacher and Martha Kent were the only memorable and entertaining female characters, and the latter had barely any screentime. With male characters, there was no such issue.

There was some excessive exposition, but it was delivered by robots, so I suppose that was a decent way to feed the necessary lore to people who somehow avoided learning anything about Superman via osmosis to this day.

Pacing and tone were nice and even. Did not feel like the film was sagging or dragging at any point, and it was void of both the hackneyed quips and the washed-out edge. On the dialogue and its delivery, I cannot comment much, however, since I saw it dubbed.

The writing clearly took inspiration from the current affairs, but that has never been an issue for me. Rather the opposite: I like that kind of stuff. However, not-Serbia bordering not-Pakistan was less believable and more ridiculous than a man in circus attire going supersonic.

 

[Humble Architect]

It's kinda crazy to me that WB can't make a half-decent live-action DC movie plot, or script in general, but it has a pretty good track record with its animated movies. Maybe WB should try putting their DCAU people in charge of that shit, see how it goes

That’s how you get a Dave Filoni making ridiculous decisions about what gets a live-action adaptation.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I saw Superman 2025, so now you all have to shut the hell up and listen to me talk about it like I'm doing forced testimony at The Hague.

Good:

• Corenswet nails the charming himbo vibe.
• Broshanan looks like 80's Demi Moore.
• The CGI dog won me over, against all odds.
• The effects are solid across the board.
• Eve Tessmacher is fun. Jimmy rejecting her is the most unrealistic thing in a movie with a kaiju alien. Jimmy deserves jail.

Bad:

• Nicholas Hoult is giving me Benedict Cumberbatch.
• Yes, Guy’s supposed to be annoying, but this feels like punishment.
• Mr. Terrific spends the movie eye-rolling his way into complete insufferability.
• Jimmy, for some reason, is now a pussy-hound who breaks up with women over foot shape. What a little freak.
• I cheer when Cat Grant shows up, but then they just have her do a less interesting version of what Eve’s already doing.
• The sports columnist lands one joke.
• Perry White is a waste of screen time.
• And as for Ultraman, they keep his face hidden like it’s a reveal. Then the mask comes off, and it turns out the real crime is the haircut.
• There's a fake war-torn country that might be Russia, might be Israel, who knows. Lex Luthor is this Elon Musk-type. They really drop the hammer with Lex going on some Jesse Watters knockoff show to accuse Superman of grooming Earth women.
• You get modern billionaire Lex Luthor, but he's flanked by Otis and Eve Tessmacher. And yeah, they went with the land scheme again, because apparently that’s the only thing Lex ever wants.
• Technically Hoult might be the most comic-accurate Lex Luthor ever put on screen, as he explains his motivations....At length....exhaustively. Then again, I said the same thing about Heath Ledger’s Joker speeches, and everyone else creamed their jeans over it, so maybe I’m the problem.
• There are too many villains, too many plots. The subplot where Superman sides with a hostile nation against a U.S. puppet government is interesting...until it’s rendered pointless because Lex Luthor bribed the Vincent Schiavelli-lookalike president.
• What’s insane is that the script actually sets up some pretty clever traps for Superman, like "wow, someone put thought into this" traps. But there's zero suspense. Every moment of buildup gets immediately suffocated by a quip or some weird Family Guy-ass wink.
• They advertised this like it was gonna be Silver Age reverence, what you get instead is Marvel Slop: same ADHD pacing, same Guardians of the Galaxy B-side needle drops, same ironic detachment that turns sincerity into cringe.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

So for those who have already seen it, what's the overall verdict?

 

[el bandito loco]

• Jimmy, for some reason, is now a pussy-hound who breaks up with women over foot shape. What a little freak.
• I cheer when Cat Grant shows up, but then they just have her do a less interesting version of what Eve’s already doing.
• The sports columnist lands one joke.
• Perry White is a waste of screen time.

I actually liked all the Daily Planet characters casting and characterization but they were wasted by virtue of being in the movie for 5 minutes total. The only thing I didn't like is I think they race swaped Ron Troupe into a white guy which is the reverse of the normal situation.

So for those who have already seen it, what's the overall verdict?

Probably a C. It's not terrible but it's nothing special. It's too much of a James Gunn movie. The sequel will either be much better or absolutely atrocious.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

I actually liked all the Daily Planet characters casting and characterization but they were wasted by virtue of being in the movie for 5 minutes total. The only thing I didn't like is I think they race swaped Ron Troupe into a white guy which is the reverse of the normal situation.

Probably a C. It's not terrible but it's nothing special. It's too much of a James Gunn movie. The sequel will either be much better or absolutely atrocious.

Predictions for Supergirl, will she at least be hot? She was really hot in that one comic where she was mind-controlled by Darkseid and Supes + Bats had to fight her.

 

[el bandito loco]

Predictions for Supergirl, will she at least be hot? She was really hot in that one comic where she was mind-controlled by Darkseid and Supes + Bats had to fight her.

she is hot in her one minute lmao but the 'drunk sorority girl' that the leaks said is 100% what she is in it. I actually suspect (and did when it was announced) I think ill like that movie more than this movie, but I think the general audiences will probably feel the opposite. I just imagine that movie will be more my thing. The comic it's based on is one of the two Tom King comics I actually like though I dont think it's perfect, or great even. If the movie has the tone that book does I'll dig it. Although her one minute in this movie is not that tone, but im hoping that it was just so she fit into this goofy ass movie.

 

[Captain Syrup]

based on Tom King comics

Ohhh okay so this is based on a Tom King comic? Yeah that explains fuckin everything. It's his idea to make Jor-El and Lara space ISIS and send baby Kal-El to Earth not to save humanity, but to knock up every woman on the planet like he’s some kind of Cosmic Genghis Khan?

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Ohhh okay so this is based on a Tom King comic? Yeah that explains fuckin everything. It's his idea to make Jor-El and Lara space ISIS and send baby Kal-El to Earth not to save humanity, but to knock up every woman on the planet like he’s some kind of Cosmic Genghis Khan?

The ubermensch deserves his harem

 

[el bandito loco]

Ohhh okay so this is based on a Tom King comic? Yeah that explains fuckin everything. It's his idea to make Jor-El and Lara space ISIS and send baby Kal-El to Earth not to save humanity, but to knock up every woman on the planet like he’s some kind of Cosmic Genghis Khan?

No all of that is James Gunn, there is no Tom King influence in this movie beyond the idea Supergirl had to be on a red son planet to get drunk. But in his book, it's not because she goes out partying all the time, but because it's her 21st birthday.

James Gunn was a noted fan of Smallville during it's run and I honestly think he did that as a sort of homage to the weird

Spoiler: 20 year old tv show

counter-intuitive almost evil Jor El

that show had for 3/4 of it. But it sucked there and it sucks here.