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Jesus fucking tapdancing Christ, weren't you people doomposting about how we'd be in a war with Iran by now? Now you're all ignoring all the times Trump has cooperated with authorities on Epstein, being really the only one to do so, so you can call the current POTUS a paedophile.

FUCK OFF, GLOWNIGS.
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No, don't you know there's debate and conversations about that? In random books from journalists from random ass news sites? Okay, that debate isn't actually in the book, but I'm told it was, and that's good enough for some, and I use this word loosely, people. The funny thing is that if there was a list it would probably be full of people we already know from the flight logs and these same people would be crying about that. I don't have enough faith in the system to believe that the Feds would sit on evidence that could implicate sex and financial crimes of the well connected rich and powerful for something like almost two decades. Especially evidence that might show direct connections to intelligence agencies. Especially the FBI of J. Edgar Hoover.
 
This Epstein shit is a disaster and Trump is handling it like a gigantic retard but you're a fool if you think it'll actually effect elections. People will forget about it in 2 months, let alone by midterms. Democrats already hate Trump and Trumps base, while many are rightfully enraged by the handling of the documents, will probably continue to vote for (R)/MAGA endorsed candidates in 2026. It's a massive optics L for Trump but if he shuts the fuck up soon no one will care by next year.
The only people who actually give two shits about the Epstein list in the Conservative party are those on the online Right. The 50 million+ normies that voted for him to close the border and stop Kamala from getting into office don't care or know anything about the Epstein list and only really consume what Fox News and their favorite television show host/influencer tells them to think.

Ask your Conservative family members or normies what they think about the Epstein files and they'll give you a nonchalant "So what?" answer
 
The Yemeni Army operates Tochka(Scarab), Elbrus(Scud), and Luna(Frog-7) surface to surface missiles. All are quite old and aquired from the soviets as you can tell by the nato reporting name in parentheses.
Most of the Tochkas and old-Scuds were either 1) used up in the 2015-2017 phase of the war (by both sides) or 2) destroyed in airstrikes around the same time frame.

Houthi rebels began importing missiles from Iran, excuse I mean importing parts and components from Iran and then building their totally independent indigenous missiles after it quickly became apparent that "bro just keep stealing from Yemeni Army stockpiles" wasn't a viable long-term strategy.

Even the Yemeni Army itself has faced extreme attrition of its missile stockpiles by this point, so even if they could loot the remainder of the government-controlled stockpiles, it's a finite and dwindling amount.

By 2025 the vast majority, if not near entirety of Houthi rebel missile stocks are Iranian in design.
 
an enemy state dedicated to destroying america having a nuclear weapon is a good thing for america now?
It’s neutral at worst. China has nukes too. So does North Korea. You only care about Iran because it threatens the country and people you are ACTUALLY loyal to.

Having the weapons does not necessitate that they have the means to deliver them either. Even if they did, I still wouldn’t care because Iran is not stupid enough to try to nuke the US and give justification of total war to a bloodthirsty giant.

I’m more worried about China and their subversion because that actually affects MY country and people. Fuck your parasitic motherland.

retards dont know that Netanyahu explicitly called out the media for covering up the media and asked what else epstein did with Ehud barak
I’m sure Bibi was as honest and honorable 6 years ago as he is now. Even if he did care about exposing that, I don’t believe it would be for any reason other than damaging his political opponents since Epstein is tied more to them than himself. I’m sure that his legal problems at the time (still ongoing) had nothing to do with it either.

Do you honestly expect me to believe that Bibi has any investment into uncovering Epstein other than using it as a petty, self-serving, political tool?
 
If you think this is propaganda or dooming and not a reasonable critique then you are a gullible plan-trusting nigger.

You honestly believe Trump is handling this well? That the pushback is unwarranted? That this isn’t a giant red flag that subversion has taken place?

Just 2 more weeks, patriot. I’m sure our enemies are shaking in their boots and not salivating at the prospect of a tangible issue to criticize Trump.
I should've made it more obvious but the post your replying to is an attempt at humor. If you really most know my position on the matter, the handling of the Epstein situation has been nothing but a fiasco for the Trump administration. Prior to the election he teased that he would release the Epstein client list should he win so there were expectations he would do such if he won and he did. Then once he was in office there was the release of declassified documents by the Attorney General, a number of which were already existing papers but more censored. Then we get to the recent situation with the Department of Justice (DoJ) and FBI memo claiming that Epstein did kill himself and that there was not a client list as once previously thought and the obviously suspect released jail footage. The murmurs of resignations in regards to government officials nominated by President Trump and his less then ideal statement on TruthSocial.

Is the whole ordeal a mark against him and can it get worst if he doesn't maneuver the matter more carefully? Sure, but at the same time there is a good chance this will be naturally buried and forgotten by more pressing matters in the news cycle. There will also probably always be a group of people upset about the matter and feel betrayed by Trump over the whole matter and with that in mind we'll see how much their outrage amounts to when the mid-terms arrive next year.
 
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point to anyone who wants to invade yemen
There are quite a few countries who want to invade Yemen, as shown by the fact that they did Invade Yemen less than a decade ago, they just lost and can't do it again without the risk of destabilizing their own countries and/or the wider region. Saudi Arabia, and the UAE as obvious starters, the US and Israel would also love regime change in Yemen.


you: muh blockade stops weapon importation
also you: they got those weapons in despite the blockade

the weapons blockade on the houthi is still active
Obviously not to the same degree it was when the gulf countries were invading, much of Yemen's population was on the brink of starvation and hundreds of thousands of people died.


trying to rehab them to make it seem like they arent fanatics who will travel into rural yemen to kill a 70 year old Koran teacher for disagreeing with them religiously and then covering it up by claiming he's a zionist is pretty dumb
This is just pathetic at this point. Find a new dishonest angle to try. Trying to equate the houthis to ISIS or Al-Qaeda is hilariously retarded. You quoted me saying I wasn't defending them and are now just ignoring that part of the conversation because you have nothing.


50k guys in yemen disagree with you

turns out the /pol/ circlejerk doesnt actually reflect reality
Call me when they take Sanaa.
 
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The only people who actually give two shits about the Epstein list in the Conservative party are those on the online Right. The 50 million normies that voted for him to close the border and stop Kamala from getting into office don't care about the Epstein list and only really consume what Fox News and their favorite television show host/influencer tells them to think.
I brought this up with a more normie friend earlier in the week and his reaction was along the lines of there never being a literal list and of course the Feds covered it up and "lost" evidence given who was involved. Shrug and move on stuff. None of this doom and gloom stuff we see from the usual suspects on here. People care about the illegals and the economy primarily. Bill Clinton is a sex pest? We knew that from the 90s.
 
Is the whole ordeal a mark against him and can it get worst if he doesn't maneuver the matter more carefully? Sure, but at the same time there is a good chance this will be naturally buried and forgotten by more pressing matters in the news cycle. There will also probably always be a group of people upset about the matter and feel betrayed by Trump over the whole matter and with that in mind we'll see how much their outrage amounts to when the mid-terms arrive next year.
Agreed. The news moves fast in current year and Trump is chaotic. Lots can happen in what, 18 months?

My big issue with this (other than that obvious) is how badly he’s handled it and the flippant tone associated with it. I hope there’s a deeper play at hand, but I’ve got no reason to believe so.
 
I brought this up with a more normie friend earlier in the week and his reaction was along the lines of there never being a literal list and of course the Feds covered it up and "lost" evidence given who was involved. Shrug and move on stuff. None of this doom and gloom stuff we see from the usual suspects on here. People care about the illegals and the economy primarily. Bill Clinton is a sex pest? We knew that from the 90s.
See its weird for me because my liberal friends on instagram are all blowing up with pictures of Trump and Epstein and adding "child rapist" (don't ask why libs refuse to say "pedophile") to the "nazi" and "x34 convicted felon" claims
 
Most of the Tochkas and old-Scuds were either 1) used up in the 2015-2017 phase of the war (by both sides) or 2) destroyed in airstrikes around the same time frame.

Houthi rebels began importing missiles from Iran, excuse I mean importing parts and components from Iran and then building their totally independent indigenous missiles after it quickly became apparent that "bro just keep stealing from Yemeni Army stockpiles" wasn't a viable long-term strategy.

Even the Yemeni Army itself has faced extreme attrition of its missile stockpiles by this point, so even if they could loot the remainder of the government-controlled stockpiles, it's a finite and dwindling amount.

By 2025 the vast majority, if not near entirety of Houthi rebel missile stocks are Iranian in design.
Yes, the houthis used up their stockpiled missiles and have built their own replacements with some critical components smuggled in from Iran, thats all true, but the initial replies that got this conversation going were to my post about the early stages of the Yemeni civil war when the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates were directly involved.
 
Is it just me or do the Democrat politicians seem unusually quiet about the whole Epstein file situation even though bringing it up would be an easy way to get Donald Trump? They certainly have their own skeletons in the closet when it comes to the matter but they tend to enjoy attacking him regardless if it makes sense or not.
I've noticed it also and it's an additional factor that makes me think the whole thing is a "mutually assured destruction" situation. Although maybe I'm underestimating them and they're just not interrupting an enemy making mistakes.
 
Is it just me or do the Democrat politicians seem unusually quiet about the whole Epstein file situation even though bringing it up would be an easy way to get Donald Trump? They certainly have their own skeletons in the closet when it comes to the matter but they tend to enjoy attacking him regardless if it makes sense or not.
The politicians are quiet, probably because even if they didn't go to Epstein Island for kiddie sex they probably went there to cheat on their wives.

The ActBlue and lower-management level cogs in the DNC ground machine are running like fucking crazy with it though.
Yes, the houthis used up their stockpiled missiles and have built their own replacements with some critical components smuggled in from Iran, thats all true, but the initial replies that got this conversation going were to my post about the early stages of the Yemeni civil war when the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates were directly involved.
Fair enough, my bad for not following the convo back
 
Dude, if Trump got killed then it would have been a wrap. Country over. Put up the chairs, sweep up the floors, turn off the lights, and shutter the windows.

Do you really think 40-45% of the country would buy it that a random kid got within 100 yards of Trump with a clear shot on him and videos of people telling law enforcement that he was there and armed? Would anyone buy a "lone gunman" story? How about 20% of the country? All you need is 10% of the population to rebel and mount an insurgency for it to succeed, and that's something the US government has known since the Kennedy administration.
Can I be honest? I don't think 10 percent of the US population would go into rebellion. you realize "Biden" could have just called in the national guard to settle most of it, and all they end up doing is doing bombings or random shootings. no actual rebellion could ever occur.

What would, seriously, think would happen if trump died that day
 
See its weird for me because my liberal friends on instagram are all blowing up with pictures of Trump and Epstein and adding "child rapist" (don't ask why libs refuse to say "pedophile") to the "nazi" and "x34 convicted felon" claims
Well of course they are, they're Team Blue. If it wasn't this, it would be something else, they don't care, of course they're going to bring up shit from ten years ago as if it's a stunningly new revelation. They've been calling him a rapist and felon forever at this point, no one outside their circles cares because they're literally the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Just like the doomer brigade has become.

Look, I'm sure Trump wanted to release all of the relevant Epstein files, they were probably destroyed years ago and it's not like the FBI is going to have paperwork and notes saying that they destroyed everything. Just ones saying "Darn, nothing incriminating was found on Epstein's Island." That's why it was phrased as "There's no evidence of these things." Because there isn't any any more. And if there is, the FBI doesn't have it. Which is a separate issue from Bondi fucking things up.
 
It’s neutral at worst. China has nukes too. So does North Korea. You only care about Iran because it threatens the country and people you are ACTUALLY loyal to.

Having the weapons does not necessitate that they have the means to deliver them either. Even if they did, I still wouldn’t care because Iran is not stupid enough to try to nuke the US and give justification of total war to a bloodthirsty giant.
US also tried to stop North Korea for having nukes.

love how you cucks always go for the "You want a fundamentalist state run by death cultists that says Death to America constantly, is responsible for the deaths of nearly a thousand US soldiers, and has sent assassins to kill targets in the US to not have nukes? ISRAEL SIMP"

I’m sure Bibi was as honest and honorable 6 years ago as he is now. Even if he did care about exposing that, I don’t believe it would be for any reason other than damaging his political opponents since Epstein is tied more to them than himself. I’m sure that his legal problems at the time (still ongoing) had nothing to do with it either.

Do you honestly expect me to believe that Bibi has any investment into uncovering Epstein other than using it as a petty, self-serving, political tool?
you went from "Israel probably only went for the ceasefire because of an agreement with the epstein files" to "Bibi doesn't ACTUALLY care about epstein files" with no self awareness lmao

Obviously not to the same degree it was when the gulf countries were invading, much of Yemen's population was on the brink of starvation and hundreds of thousands of people died.
interesting how you suddenly acknowledged there's nuance but before you were screeching about muh blockade blocking everything

This is just pathetic at this point. Find a new dishonest angle to try. Trying to equate the houthis to ISIS or Al-Qaeda is hilariously retarded. You quoted me saying I wasn't defending them and are now just ignoring that part of the conversation because you have nothing.
you were the one who brought up ISIS retard. i know it's hard for your /pol/ refugee brain to realize this but the houthi are agents of Iranian imperialism and will kill anyone who disagrees

Yes, the houthis used up their stockpiled missiles and have built their own replacements with some critical components smuggled in from Iran, thats all true, but the initial replies that got this conversation going were to my post about the early stages of the Yemeni civil war when the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates were directly involved.
severe cope, you were clearly not talking about the early stages of the Yemeni civil war when you said

The Yemeni Army operates Tochka(Scarab), Elbrus(Scud), and Luna(Frog-7) surface to surface missiles. All are quite old and aquired from the soviets as you can tell by the nato reporting name in parentheses.

bringing up the civil war when the topic is the current war is also a dumb gotcha
 
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