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Should be a wild four years.

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Guerrila warfare rebellion against the government doesn't just require being pissed at the government but also some kind of apparent weakness in the security forces. It's hard to imagine right-wing Americans truly popping off in this day and age because the government hasn't hesitated to smack them down any time they do so in any of our lifetimes. This is in contrast to leftoids who are often allowed to riot in cities unimpeded, the Floydening being the most prominent recent example. Since they never really feel the whip, they are always ready to chimp. Conservatives don't chimp since they know the whip is right there. You could call it learned helplessness or you could call it awareness of a genuine threat.
On February 28th, 1993, the federal government attempted to "smack down" a bunch of right-wing Americans in a rural Texas community called Waco. This attempt resulted in a 51 day siege that ended not in some front page triumph, but instead in the death of most of the residents, and countless children.
Mountcarmelfire04-19-93-p.webp

This "smack down" combined with another incident out in Idaho the year prior resulted in two individuals doing this to a federal building:
500px-Oklahomacitybombing-DF-ST-98-01356.webp

What these three incidents (Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Oklahoma City Bombing) all have in common is 1) They occurred within the span of less than three years, 2) resulted in the death of at least one trained federal officer, 3) resulted in multiple deaths, 4) were directed against/by fringe rightists (i.e. not mainstream conservatives), 5) occurred in a time when America was more homogenous, be it along racial, religious, or political lines, 6) occurred under a healthy economy, and not the post 08 zombie economy, 7) occurred when gun control was less resisted (AWB was signed into law in 94), 8) didn't occur in the decade after nation wide race riots, 9) didn't occur in a time of forced government vaccination (whose effects were lied about by government officials) and unconstitutional lockdowns, 10) didn't occur in the wake of a stolen election, 11) didn't occur after the near assassination of a presidential candidate (on top of lawfare to imprison him on trumped up charges), 12) didn't occur in the midst of massive illegal demographic shift allowed to happen to make a political majority into a minority, and 13) did not occur after hundreds of right-wing Americans were unlawfully confined in prison for years without trial for a riot.

Even after taking all that into consideration, all three events were a very serious black eye for the federal government. Oklahoma remains the largest act of domestic terrorism on US soil, and is second only to 9/11 in death count. Ruby Ridge, and Waco continue to be routinely discussed by right-wingers thirty years on. Including the attempt by the FBI to get the military to come help, which was denied. Whatever can be said of modern federal law enforcement, how they respond to right wingers has changed from what they did before. We haven't seen another Waco, and therefor we haven't seen another Oklahoma, and the feds want to keep it that way.

We can argue over the lack of federal fairness when it comes to the response to left or right wing activity the federal government does or doesn't like till the cows come home. What I hope you'll agree with however, is that there is a clear rise in tension, not merely amongst fringe rightists, but amongst the public as a whole. We as a country are more accepting of political violence than at any other point in the last 30 if not 50 years. We are armed, we are better trained, we get endless jokes from the left about larping right-wingers playing soldier (which the left is increasingly doing themselves). We just had not one, but three separate armed attacks on federal agents by left-wingers in the past month. We are headed toward some sort of internal conflict at the rate things are going. Some do make the very creditable argument that we are already in one, and we're all really just waiting for it to finally blow up.

When it comes to "security forces" the only real security force in America are the state national guards. The federal military is not by law permitted to operate on American soil unless the insurrection act is invoked, It is of course a forgone conclusion that it would be enacted by a democrat president with in hours of a right-wing summer of love starting, let alone a proper rebellion/revolution. However, the federal military is not big enough to cover the entire nation in a similar summer of love scenario. Especially if that summer of love quickly translates into 1776 or 1861 2.0. Which means it'll fall to the national guard to do most of the actual line holding. With the fed units acting as the hammer for trouble areas. Everything else, local or state police, the various federal agencies (FBI, ATF, DEA, Marshalls) are not a military force, and are incapable of conducting anything resembling military operations beyond a very limited scale. As with the response to Waco, once the Branch Davidians, armed with nothing more than common semi-auto rifles opened up on the ATF, they were powerless to do anything but sit and try to keep the BDs contained in their compound. It took getting tanks from the army (which the army did not operate) to get the ball rolling on crushing the Davidians for example.

The feds are very careful when it comes to "smacking down" right-wingers these days. They have to be, and their smacking is very dependent on not overstepping the very unclear line between sparking mere outrage, and open revolt.

You need to organize in order to have some kind of plan for what you want society to look like after the revolution, and you can't get violently inclined people to organize if Sauron's eye (and his undercover FBI goblins) is always looking to smash your group. Talk about violence online as a rightoid and either your peers will understandably suspect you of being a fed or your post will understandably get jannied for being a risk to the entire platform. Decades of this has majorly neutered any right-wing inclination to violence or revolution. Compared to you know 250 years ago when Sauron was gazing from across an ocean and not really able to effortlessly smash you.
We already have organization for what society will look like after the revolution. The vast majority of right-wingers simply desire a return to the constitution, and the government it outlines. Organizing on an action bases for violence to enact revolution right now is pointless. The system still responds to our wants enough to be an useful avenue of redress. Any action organization such as for protesting ought to be small scale, local. Your family, neighbors, fellow church members, co-workers. You should never organize over the internet. In person, and well within the legal bounds. The idea ought to be like the minutemen of yore. Not looking to start something, but ready to respond if something should happen. The British eye of Sauron was far more effective than the current eye of Sauron is now. The redcoats were within their legal system's right to confiscate the arms of the militia at Concord. Something the current eye cannot do. The use of electronic communication is far more advantageous to us than it is to the government. We can use it to spread info on how to organize, how to prepare, and train; and on government actions. There can not be some secret operation on the feds part to start confiscating guns without a electronic blackout, which would be good enough heads up for people to be on guard. There can not be some secret black bagging operation without somebody connecting the dots within hours of it starting. If the government is gonna crack down, they have to win within the first month, and they have to keep it civil enough to avoid another waco, otherwise they've lost.

Edit: Fuck Janet Reno, and Bill Clinton for appointing her.
 
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I mean have we considered that Coors light is just a better lite beer?
When I lived in the Northeast they always had great beer. Pennsylvania has that stuff locked down.

Yuengling is a great substitute for the big national beers. And there is this company called Troegs that makes a IPA called Perpetual. Tastes like shit but only faggots drink for the flavor. That shit gets things moving along quick.
 
Didn't Bondi just say last week that there's thousands of videos of child porn in the files? I see people saying that it MUST have clients on the video, but no one in the know is making that claim.

I'm just assuming that Trump and Bondi aren't complete retards who are willingly burning their reputation. Any rogue FBI agent could instantly discredit the whole administration by leaking info that they are saying doesn't exist. Seems like the kind of vulnerable scenario that Trump always avoids.
Epstien IS the one culture glue that everyone pretty much knows about and has a option on. Its probably the one thing in the US you could ask to a random person about and they would know what the hell you are talking about. Trump's gotta do something here, even if he has say the FBI deleted everything.
trump does something that seems stupid, everyone dogpiles him for a free pot shot, and then we find out there's more to the story once the cat is out of the bag and it turns out the haters committed to a line that doesn't benefit them. this scenario has played out like a dozen fucking times in the last 10 years and it always goes the exact same way

i dont think trump really has some kind of master plan here but he really can just wait two months and then say "look they reamed us, the CROOKED DEMOCRATS sent us up the river by BLEACHING the epstein data" and it probably will just work out fine in the end
 
On February 28th, 1993, the federal government attempted to "smack down" a bunch of right-wing Americans in a rural Texas community called Waco. This attempt resulted in a 51 day siege that ended not in some front page triumph, but instead in the death of most of the residents, and countless children.
First I'm hearing about Waco and Ruby Ridge! Nah just kidding but definitely the first time I've seen someone try to use them as examples of the fedgov not just ruthlessly crushing nascent white discontent. A few pages ago someone brought up Malheur — another standoff where the government just spazzed out and shot people.
 
There can not be some secret black bagging operation without somebody connecting the dots with hours of it starting. If the government is gonna crack down, they have to win within the first month, and they have to keep it civil enough to avoid another waco, otherwise they've lost.
 
On February 28th, 1993, the federal government attempted to "smack down" a bunch of right-wing Americans in a rural Texas community called Waco. This attempt resulted in a 51 day siege that ended not in some front page triumph, but instead in the death of most of the residents, and countless children.
Mountcarmelfire04-19-93-p.webp

This "smack down" combined with another incident out in Idaho the year prior resulted in two individuals doing this to a federal building:
500px-Oklahomacitybombing-DF-ST-98-01356.webp

What these three incidents (Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Oklahoma City Bombing) all have in common is 1) They occurred within the span of less than three years, 2) resulted in the death of at least one trained federal officer, 3) resulted in multiple deaths, 4) were directed against/by fringe rightists (i.e. not mainstream conservatives), 5) occurred in a time when America was more homogenous, be it along racial, religious, or political lines, 6) occurred under a healthy economy, and not the post 08 zombie economy, 7) occurred when gun control was less resisted (AWB was signed into law in 94), 8) didn't occur in the decade after nation wide race riots, 9) didn't occur in a time of forced government vaccination (whose effects were lied about by government officials) and unconstitutional lockdowns, 10) didn't occur in the wake of a stolen election, 11) didn't occur after the near assassination of a presidential candidate (on top of lawfare to imprison him on trumped up charges), 12) didn't occur in the midst of massive illegal demographic shift allowed to happen to make a political majority into a minority, and 13) did not occur after hundreds of right-wing Americans were unlawfully confined in prison for years without trial for a riot.

Even after taking all that into consideration, all three events were a very serious black eye for the federal government. Oklahoma remains the largest act of domestic terrorism on US soil, and is second only to 9/11 in death count. Ruby Ridge, and Waco continue to be routinely discussed by right-wingers thirty years on. Including the attempt by the FBI to get the military to come help, which was denied. Whatever can be said of modern federal law enforcement, how they respond to right wingers has changed from what they did before. We haven't seen another Waco, and therefor we haven't seen another Oklahoma, and the feds want to keep it that way.

We can argue over the lack of federal fairness when it comes to the response to left or right wing activity the federal government does or doesn't like till the cows come home. What I hope you'll agree with however, is that there is a clear rise in tension, not merely amongst fringe rightists, but amongst the public as a whole. We as a country are more accepting of political violence than at any other point in the last 30 if not 50 years. We are armed, we are better trained, we get endless jokes from the left about larping right-wingers playing soldier (which the left is increasingly doing themselves). We just had not one, but three separate armed attacks on federal agents by left-wingers in the past month. We are headed toward some sort of internal conflict at the rate things are going. Some do make the very creditable argument that we are already in one, and we're all really just waiting for it to finally blow up.

When it comes to "security forces" the only real security force in America are the state national guards. The federal military is not by law permitted to operate on American soil unless the insurrection act is invoked, It is of course a forgone conclusion that it would be enacted by a democrat president with in hours of a right-wing summer of love starting, let alone a proper rebellion/revolution. However, the federal military is not big enough to cover the entire nation in a similar summer of love scenario. Especially if that summer of love quickly translates into 1776 or 1861 2.0. Which means it'll fall to the national guard to do most of the actual line holding. With the fed units acting as the hammer for trouble areas. Everything else, local or state police, the various federal agencies (FBI, ATF, DEA, Marshalls) are not a military force, and are incapable of conducting anything resembling military operations beyond a very limited scale. As with the response to Waco, once the Branch Davidians, armed with nothing more than common semi-auto rifles opened up on the ATF, they were powerless to do anything but sit and try to keep the BDs contained in their compound. It took getting tanks from the army (which the army did not operate) to get the ball rolling on crushing the Davidians for example.

The feds are very careful when to comes to "smacking down" right-wingers these days. They have to be, and their smacking is very dependent on not overstepping the very unclear line between sparking mere outrage, and open revolt.

We already have organization for what society will look like after the revolution. The vast majority of right-wingers simply desire a return to the constitution, and the government it outlines. Organizing on an action bases for violence to enact revolution right now is pointless. The system still responds to our wants enough to be an useful avenue of redress. Any action organization such as for protesting ought to be small scale, local. Your family, neighbors, fellow church members, co-workers. You should never organize over the internet. In person, and well within the legal bounds. The idea ought to be like the minutemen of yore. Not looking to start something, but ready to respond if something should happen. The British eye of Sauron was far more effective than the current eye of Sauron is now. The redcoats were within their legal system's right to confiscate the arms of the militia at Concord. Something the current eye cannot do. The use of electronic communication is far more advantageous to us than it is to the government. We can use it to spread info on how to organize, how to prepare, and train; and on government actions. There can not be some secret operation on the feds part to start confiscating guns without a electronic blackout, which would be good enough heads up for people to be on guard. There can not be some secret black bagging operation without somebody connecting the dots with hours of it starting. If the government is gonna crack down, they have to win within the first month, and they have to keep it civil enough to avoid another waco, otherwise they've lost.

Dicks out for Ashli Babbitt, too.

Though, to be fair, that was a retard cop and not the feds. But it's still fucked up.
 
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Way to make me fucking depressed. We don't even really have a country anymore.
I think we can all regroup in enjoying illegals being booted off, or trannies meltdown, or fed negresses getting fired. Just go to X or whatever and when the libs post videos of crying abuelitas or Jose the gangbanger getting tossed into a ICE wagon, proudly remind them that you voted for this. When Shannequa lose her 6 digit DEI hr job, tell her to learn to code, or that there's plenty of job in agriculture. When Lillith the crossdressing pedo gets removed from his job, point to him the location of really cool bridges

We can make this world a better world if we all work together for it
 
First I'm hearing about Waco and Ruby Ridge! Nah just kidding but definitely the first time I've seen someone try to use them as examples of the fedgov not just ruthlessly crushing nascent white discontent. A few pages ago someone brought up Malheur — another standoff where the government just spazzed out and shot people.
they are absolutely ruthless in crushing white discontent but there's an element of realpolitik that is always present that the feds NEVER EVER bring up or want to talk about because the reality of the situation is that it would be an irregular conflict they completely lack the organization and resources to put up a meaningful defense against. look at how the police in Los Angeles deal with threats and that's kind of what i'm talking about, they will legitimately get two dozen officers and two armored trucks and a helicopter for a guy with a crowbar so they can pretend that they're peacekeepers, but the second there's a bank robbery or a domestic assault getting them to help is like pulling teeth
 
What if Epstein wasn't some master at blackmailing rich people (Alex Jones theory) but was actually incredibly discrete and hid evidence? Would explain why so many rich people supposedly used his services, I doubt he'd have a huge client list if he was actually blackmailing people openly.

Would explain some things, Bondi may have actually believed that the initial release of documents was what people were after because it might literally be all she was able to get a hold of.

Would also explain how Trump has acted, despite what CNN wants you to believe, he doesn't just go around lying for no reason.

But I don't know, I'm just a speculating retard.
Even if he isn't blackmailing them, he is still running a buisness, even illicit businesses leave a papertrail (like the few logs that did leak). It may not be "X fucked Y (Age 14)" but something like an official release of the Lolita Express flight logs would be a good step forward on helping sate people's curiosity.
 
Even if he isn't blackmailing them, he is still running a buisness, even illicit businesses leave a papertrail (like the few logs that did leak). It may not be "X fucked Y (Age 14)" but something like an official release of the Lolita Express flight logs would be a good step forward on helping sate people's curiosity.
do you think any of those records survived the biden administration's FBI, the same FBI that didn't figure it necessary to look into hunter biden's ties to gazprom, illegally owning a firearm, smoking crack cocaine, doing crack cocaine with underaged malia obama, or those videos of hunter biden smoking crack cocaine while holding an illegal firearm?
 
I've noticed that the thread tends to devolve into hysterical doomposting on weekends. This is old news at this point, but now we've got like 3 spergs melting down simultaneously. Is this what happens when you fellas get a little free time to get nice and drunk?
How many of your posts have been "ignore the epstien stuff, move on" since it came out that the list never existed?
I read this thread through highlights and i've seen your posts copy the same sentiment; "move on".

You seem awfully invested in ridiculing others for talking about the epstein list, while pushing for those same posters to stop mentioning it.
 
I reckon there is a chance that Epatoffee himself and just had a little bit of “fun” without having a straight up blackmail list.

In which case Trump & co were fucking morons for over promising and delivering fuck all.

There’s gotta be SOMETHING they can release though.

This isn’t going to go away, especially on top of the administration going back on other shit like Ukraine.
 
Because it pales in comparison to the thousands of children who were molested by people who Trump and his administration are actively covering for?
Oh thank God. Everything's gonna be ok guys.
If you're new here, don't bother responding to fatpacks. He's not a serious poster. It's why he wears the burger suit.
He is the one.

 
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