Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Re(Runner)48]

Something something bad to be a woman in Vivzie's works

But yeah, Fizz gets a ridiculous amount of focus for how unimportant he is. They could have spent an episode showing what Loona or other I.M.P. members do outside work, or shown Octavia spending the weekend with Stella/Andrealphus, or really shown Stella being anything other that a cartoon villain screaming HILARIOUS.

But the tiny jester imp being in a gay relation with a deadly sin was a story Viv really needed to tell, apparently.

Yeah Fizz's stuff should of been in shorts. But his episode should have been dedicated to Millie or Loona who are below bare bones.

 

[Saxxon]

I don't know why Fizz even cared if he was not longer Mammon's top crashcow, it would be understandable is he was his only source of income but he also is in a relationship with Asmodeus so it's not like he was gonna end up sleeping on the street. Which takes me to my second point:

But the tiny jester imp being in a gay relation with a deadly sin was a story Viv really needed to tell, apparently.

Relation that never has any kind of consequences, because for some reason being in a romantic relationship with a imp now it's not a big deal, well unless you are Stolas, otherwise how are we gonna get our angst?

 

[InJailOutSoon]

But yeah, Fizz gets a ridiculous amount of focus for how unimportant he is. They could have spent an episode showing what Loona or other I.M.P. members do outside work, or shown Octavia spending the weekend with Stella/Andrealphus, or really shown Stella being anything other that a cartoon villain screaming HILARIOUS.

But the tiny jester imp being in a gay relation with a deadly sin was a story Viv really needed to tell, apparently.

Yeah Fizz's stuff should of been in shorts. But his episode should have been dedicated to Millie or Loona who are below bare bones.

It's funny how a lot of people's favorite episode of season 2, even the ones who think season 2 is shit, is the Fizz episode with Mammon. Basically it's the episode that could have been it's own stand alone story with no focus on the main characters or the premise of the show. It's an episode that you can entirely skip and literally the season would have not been affected in anyway because of it.

I don't know why Fizz even cared if he was not longer Mammon's top crashcow, it would be understandable is he was his only source of income but he also is in a relationship with Asmodeus so it's not like he was gonna end up sleeping on the street. Which takes me to my second point:

Relation that never has any kind of consequences, because for some reason being in a romantic relationship with a imp now it's not a big deal, well unless you are Stolas, otherwise how are we gonna get our angst?

Because big reveals and uprising conflicts for this show are conveniently forgotten in favor of Stolitz drama; until that said conflict can be related to said ship. Example: Blitzø's sister is never brought up again after her initial debut until the last episode of the season and only because it was related to Stolas' current situation with his daughter for some reason.

At this point, can they just call it the StolASS show? This is all that Helluva Boss is now about.

 

[King Metalia]

Speaking of best girls, apart from being rude to the protagonist Glitz and Glam did literally nothing wrong, despite being "villains". And, let's be honest, they were better showmen than that faggot jester.
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Knowing Viv Glitz and Glam will be confirmed gay, trans, or all of the above any day now. Repeat after me everyone. "There are no straight people in Viv's work." Any character who claims to be straight will be retconed gay soon enough by Viv.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Knowing Viv Glitz and Glam will be confirmed gay, trans, or all of the above any day now. Repeat after me everyone. "There are no straight people in Viv's work." Any character who claims to be straight will be retconed gay soon enough by Viv.

Didn't she allude to them being incestuous? Odd as in the show they were never shown as such or even hinting at it. They just come off as cheap imitations of two other sister demons I know that are way better..

 

[InJailOutSoon]

There has been no merch drop for the newest Helluva Boss short. Which I find a bit odd because for all the other shorts there would have been one right the day after a new short came out. The short has only gotten 3.3 million views as of now, so maybe they figured it wouldn't be worth the cost to produce stuff for it. Instead they released some more pride shit, which is also weird because I doubt even the people who would normally consume said product would want any more of the same-old from last month.

 

[ApearFruit]

They just come off as cheap imitations of two other sister demons I know that are way better..

To be fair HB in itself, S1+the shorts specifically, almost had/have that Lupin the 3rd vibe going for it. Unsurprisingly, those make up much of my favorite moments.

 

[Beggamania]

Something something bad to be a woman in Vivzie's works

But yeah, Fizz gets a ridiculous amount of focus for how unimportant he is. They could have spent an episode showing what Loona or other I.M.P. members do outside work, or shown Octavia spending the weekend with Stella/Andrealphus, or really shown Stella being anything other that a cartoon villain screaming HILARIOUS.

But the tiny jester imp being in a gay relation with a deadly sin was a story Viv really needed to tell, apparently.

Funny thing is, I decided out of boredom to go to subreddit for Helluva Boss(I know I know, not the smartest decision), and the reply to this exact criticism was the classic "HURR HURR DON'T WATCH LEMAO)))"

Motherfucker, we don't have a basic story on what happened to Loona's parents yet you HAD to make half a season about that gay ass couple for a horrible hypocrite (judging by Sinsmas and latest short), and a deadbeat of a father, who disregards his daughter wherever it ACTUALLY matters, instead of when it's convenient to him??

We're still talking about THE GROUP, the IMP. It's not "Blitz and Stolas" show.

 

[Saxxon]

Knowing Viv Glitz and Glam will be confirmed gay, trans, or all of the above any day now. Repeat after me everyone. "There are no straight people in Viv's work." Any character who claims to be straight will be retconed gay soon enough by Viv.

Unless you are Adam, Lute, Stella or any other character that she obviously dislikes more than likely because they're based in people she used to know.

There has been no merch drop for the newest Helluva Boss short. Which I find a bit odd because for all the other shorts there would have been one right the day after a new short came out. The short has only gotten 3.3 million views as of now, so maybe they figured it wouldn't be worth the cost to produce stuff for it. Instead they released some more pride shit, which is also weird because I doubt even the people who would normally consume said product would want any more of the same-old from last month.

If I'm not mistaken, their plan is to release it along the merch of the next short. But in all honesty I just can't see anyone desperately wanting to buy pins of Mr. Ned Rogers or Blitzo dressed as a kid.

 

[Mad Hunter]

Unless you are Adam, Lute, Stella or any other character that she obviously dislikes more than likely because they're based in people she used to know.

Wait? They're also based on people she knows? What statements give that info? That must speak a lot about Viv herself. Reminds me of Taylor Swift singing about her exes in her songs after breakup after breakup. Helluva Boss has the vibe of so many Taylor Swift songs that have been alluded to past lovers: bad relationship, relationship problem, split, angry at partner.


I always thought these characters for the most part were made to be the punching bags of Viv and the fans because they're coded as straight and white, therefore they're heteronormative and in touch with reality and society as a whole, leading to the conclusion that they are greedy, homophobic, entitled, sexist, self-centered assholes for not letting the oppressed LGBT couples have their orgy in hell (alarming, because it clearly gives all they gay people in hell screentime, and nothing but gays obsessed woth sex and deviancy).

To be fair HB in itself, S1+the shorts specifically, almost had/have that Lupin the 3rd vibe going for it. Unsurprisingly, those make up much of my favorite moments.

Because that's what it was meant to be. That's what HB was advertized to he. But no, it became the webtoons BL of Stoals x Blitzo.

 

[Niggerphobe]

Alternate season 1 idea
The targets get less and less evil and the target relates to the past of each of the crew
Let’s say the start of the season we get a target that’s a scared run away teen that had left their friend to die and that leads to a flashback of loona being a runaway
And by the season finale they leave on a cliffhanger weather or not they killed a target that is a good person to the point they talk with imp about their issues from the past all because their client got ignored by the target

 

[ApearFruit]

Because that's what it was meant to be. That's what HB was advertized to he.

If only... Fuck, give me Imp!Zenigata rather than gay deadbeat owl man, or at the very least you could KEEP the latter, but mitigate his role a great amount and do something like, say, retain the characterization he had in the original pilot (the sinister, morally ambiguous benefactor type, iirc).

 

[Re(Runner)48]

It is time. Triple threat. Just kidding these characters are boring. I have no love and no care for any if these characters so thats why I half assed them, can't all be winners.

Fizz/Travis/Chaz

I don't like them any of them. They are either annoying or boring.

So as a whole I don't really like or understand the character designs for any of them. Too messy, too much clutter, confusing design. And alot of them have same body syndrome so I changed them up more.

So for all of them I changed their color schemes to fit the story more and how my rewrites are.

Chaz is Crimsons son (hes a hybrid Imp/Shark)
Travis is a bird demon (so made him look more bird like)
Fizz (sex slave for Ozzie)

Rewrites

Fizz (look back to Ozzie)

He was given to him from Mammon who is in love with Ozzie.
Ozzie gets off to him being mutilated and body mods. He removes his throat, ribs, castrates him, and uses him as a living fleshlight, when Ozzie gets bored of him he cuts off other things then abuses him.
His limbs were cut off because Ozzie only gets off to him being paraplegic.
Ozzie sexually abuses him.
Another representation of Imps being abused by the upperclass.
He is hallow and empty, broken beyond belief.
Burns only came from Blitzo.
Blitzo finds him and rescues him and he joins IMP. They bond over their shared trauma of being sexually assaulted by the upperclass. He also bonds with Striker (who is also disabled.)
Fizz goes through an arch where he saves as many Imps from the upperclass as he can, getting them to join IMP realizing that they are not alone.
Becomes an icon for Imps because his abuser was a sin, the biggest and baddest demons.
Basically becomes IMP's mascot because of his already established career as a circus clown.
People look for him as inspiration.

Travis

Is a bird demon, because in his past life he was a bird smuggler. He killed people for his profits. Sold animals to the mafia as exotic pets
Smuggles a rare bird which gives him a incurable disease. So now he gets turned into a bird in the afterlife.
Joins Chaz who becomes a new holy weapons smuggler.
Still likes AngelDust because he wacks off to porn of him and is obsessed with him and stalks him.
He is loud and has a big mouth so they both get along because they noth talk all the time.

Chaz (look for my Crimson redo)

He is Moxxies half brother
Becomes the new head of the weapons smuggling his father owned betraying him.
Eventually Imp contacts them to get these weapons by Striker. And respects him as a halfbreed as well.
When he finds out Moxxie is apart of IMP he betrays them again and rats them out saying that actually IMP are the weapon smugglers.


Gonna be honest dont care about any of these characters or much about their stories and turned them into the background characters they deserve to be. Took away all that useless Fizz stuff, I don't care about the gay clown sorry. If theres anything you guys want to add go ahead all three of these were the ones I put the least effort in and I don't know if I'd bother going back on them because I don’t like them.

As always

 

[King Metalia]

Because that's what it was meant to be. That's what HB was advertized to he. But no, it became the webtoons BL of Stoals x Blitzo.

I just want people to stop thinking demons are what Viv portrays them as and see them as what they were portrayed for centuries in mythology and folklore.

 

[Mad Hunter]

I just want people to stop thinking demons are what Viv portrays them as and see them as what they were portrayed for centuries in mythology and folklore.

I really can't fathom how there are some people who actually believe those vile beasts act like the fictionalized adaptations of Viv. That's like saying Valak is a nun-shaped demon all because you watched "The Nun" when in actual lore, Valak is a baby-shaped demon riding a dragon. Or, rather, it could be like saying a demon and angel can be friends if they set their differences aside just because you saw Azriphale and Crowley be cutesy with each other in "Good Omens."


Mind you, these people probably dunk on the Conjuring for being so stupidly repetitive and unscary (at least to them because I'm going to shamelessly admit that some jumpscares still get me). At least it portrays the demons as forces of nature that aren't toys, AREN'T SEXY, and aren't things any sane person would dare contact, much less exist with in the same plane of existence.


I suspect some of them are wiccans or have alternative religions (I don't really know what to call this kind of thing). When it comes to personal belief and spirituality, I tend not to be so judgy as long as no one is getting damaged (including yourself), but shouldn't they be upset by how their supposed deities are being portrayed as sex addicts, even the ones who aren't? That portrayal Viv is giving their demon overlords could be taken as disrespectful invocation by the demons, going by their logic, for you shouldn't mess with the energies or something and only use them with proper knowledge and protection. Goes to show how many of them possibly see these demons they supposedly worship as cartoon characters themselves while being stuck in an edgelord phase.



It's easier to get knowledge on these demons nowadays thanks to the existence of the Internet, and therefore declare yourself wiccan, but it seems like the information is jumbled a lot. Add in comics, cartoons, books, series, plays, poems, and movies that feature the demons in some way, and the wiccans who don't even care to think twice would use them all as source material. Usually kids, I think, going through a phase of "oh I'm so different." But if there are grown adults who believe that, then that's ghastly because WTF.

 

[I was a Teenage “JA”-man]

@Mad Hunter To be honest most “Wiccans” don’t know jack shit about thier own religion or beliefs, their creator, gerald gardner was a perverted old man that just wanted to ogle high priestess titties. My wife is one of them, she thinks its like some quirky Halloween thing, as opposed to a couple of friends in the occult sphere who treat it with utmost respect as well as treating other religions like Christianity with respect as well instead of bashing it.

I just want people to stop thinking demons are what Viv portrays them as and see them as what they were portrayed for centuries in mythology and folklore.

I feel you, I hate how Reddit massacred the lovecraft mythos where the whole point was dark and doomy “god is evil and there’s nothing you can do or, science will destroy us” but now in videogames it’s just “kill cthulu Because we need something scary for you to fight.” But with hasbin it’s “we want to be edgy and Christians hate gays so we are demons and devils.”

 

[InJailOutSoon]

It is time. Triple threat. Just kidding these characters are boring. I have no love and no care for any if these characters so thats why I half assed them, can't all be winners.

Fizz/Travis/Chaz

I don't like them any of them. They are either annoying or boring.

Hey, I like Travis...for no particular actual reason except for my own head-canons. All jokes aside, I'm glad you gave him a reason for why he ends up being a bird because I for the life of me can't figure out why.

Anyway, the only actual interesting thing about this ugly bird is that he was the only one from the pilot that was voiced by someone who was on Broadway. Yet he never sings. The irony.

 

[The tired cat]

Hey, I like Travis...for no particular actual reason except for my own head-canons. All jokes aside, I'm glad you gave him a reason for why he ends up being a bird because I for the life of me can't figure out why.

Anyway, the only actual interesting thing about this ugly bird is that he was the only one from the pilot that was voiced by someone who was on Broadway. Yet he never sings. The irony.

As dumb as it may sound, my initial thought for why he was a bird was because he was a stool pigeon. But, Viv went with owl because those look cooler.

 

[AnOminous]

As dumb as it may sound, my initial thought for why he was a bird was because he was a stool pigeon. But, Viv went with owl because those look cooler.

I can't blame her for the owl thing. Owls are cool.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

I can't blame her for the owl thing. Owls are cool.

Words an executive at Disney said before greenlighting Dana Terrace's The Owl House.