2025 Jeffery Epstein Files

[Retrodogkiller]

I want maximum chaos. I really hope some unhinged MAGA patriot who feels betrayed by Trump does what the others couldn't get done.

Even the richest man in the world brought his kneepads back out to secure a contract with the DOJ to use grok. Maga are bunch of pushover cry babies who whine online about how oppressed they are despite having total government control at the moment. No one is gonna do shit. Best chance is to just keep pushing trumps buttons until he snaps and releases the documents or starts using ICE to deport the vocal opponents.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I posted this theory in the USPG2 Thread, but figured I'd cross post it here and see what people thought.

Have you guys ever considered the possibility Trump is now in the files, and the reason he didn't release it is because he knew he wasn't in them before?

Trump has already seen everything on Epstein. He has all the documents. He already knows what's in there from when he was President. However, now the files go from Trump's DOJ, to Biden's. Biden's DOJ has 4 years to shred, seal away, and dispose of anything they don't want out. What do I think they did? Probably nothing with it for those first couple years. Then Trump starts campaigning and he says he wants to release the Epstein files. The DOJ goes "Oh shit. We better do something about that". So they shred important documents and make mountains of fake ones.

It's probably not just of Trump. There's probably dozens of fake documents accusing Elon, Clarence Thomas, Kavanaugh, Gaetz, MTG, Bannon, Navarro, etc., and everyone the Deep State doesn't like, of all diddling kids on Epstein's Island. They make hundreds of deep fakes and fraudulent documents accusing Trump and MAGA of being on Epstein's Island. So when Trump says he wants to release the files on his campaign trail, the Deep State smiles and says "Go for it".

Let's get into the timeline then. Trump gets in, assigns Bondi. Pam goes on the news and does her "They're on my desk" bit. She realizes this is only the public portion and the rest is gone. She panics, tries to hunt down everything with Kash. He finds out about the NY office. Bondi gets her literal truckload of evidence about Epstein, and her people start going over it. That's why she suddenly shut up about it and we got radio silence for so long. They realized "Oh shit, this stuff is all fake. They poisoned the well". Bondi eventually breaks the news to Trump. They have no way of realizing what way is up. They eventually decide to say fuck it, just go with the current story and bury it. Also, since Mossad is probably implicated, maybe Bibi asked for him to drop it since it's a poison pill anyway when they did the treaty in addition to all of this. Trump now has no motivation to publicize it. Dan and Kash are forced to do that awkward interview. That eventually brings us to now. It's nobody's fault and there's no recourse for them to do. Now Democrats want the files to be released because not only are they bullshit nobody would believe, they also implicate Trump which will give them infinite smear ammunition.

It would explain everything and everyone's behavior. Trump can't release the files. He knows they're fake. Everyone knows they're fake. It's a catch 22. Burying it implicates him protecting people. Releasing it publicly destroys multiple people. Everyone will claim their side's politicians being in the documents as the real ones. It'll bring down the whole MAGA movement in one fell swoop because the media will have infinite ammunition to smear and call MAGA pedophiles forever. Whereas if they bury it, the only one blamed is Trump. It's why he's calling it a hoax now and posted that cope n seethe tweet.

It makes perfect sense to me. The Democrats flat out won. Now the Republicans HAVE to oppose the second bill by Kann and Massie. The Democrats are all aging out and dying. They don't need PR anymore. The party is destroyed anyway. The PR couldn't be lower and they're looking at major reform anyway. They can happily burn the reputation of all the old guard to the ground because it can't possibly get any lower. It's remarkably easy and the results are devastating for Trump. We all built up the Epstein case so much, it's become an Internet myth and behemoth. The FBI, NSA, and CIA are not stupid. They're aware of this. It's only logical that the Deep State would use that to their advantage.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

They realized "Oh shit, this stuff is all fake. They poisoned the well".

This is the part I disagree with. It's well known Trump and Epstein were around each other and any talk of them falling out can easily be kayfabe. Nor are what documents they currently have are "fake." "Fake" or not, it's the evidence they have to run with during trial. I do agree that they covered it up because of blowback.

 

[BullfrogBill]

I posted this theory in the USPG2 Thread, but figured I'd cross post it here and see what people thought.

My issue with this theory is that Trump and Bondi could have both been honest about that situation and people would have believed them. Trump always acted weird about the Epstein stuff but he still said he has no problem releasing the files and that his administration was going to be as transparent as possible. If the administration noticed that the files have been tampered with then I would expect a press conference with Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino about it where they discuss this with the press at length, instead we got "Are you still talking about Epstein?" and covering it all up while literally insulting his voters and flat out saying he doesn't want their support.

since Mossad is probably implicated, maybe Bibi asked for him to drop it

This is the most likely theory for what's happening behind the scenes I think. It probably explains the whole "Obama and Biden wrote the Epstein hoax!" crap Trump is suddenly spewing since a large part of the Republican strategy lately is to accuse the Democrats of being nazis that want to wipe out the jews, if any information about Epstein ever does get out involving Mossad Republicans can just say it was made up by those pesky jew hating Democrats to get America to turn on Israel.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

This is the part I disagree with. It's well known Trump and Epstein were around each other and any talk of them falling out can easily be kayfabe. Nor are what documents they currently have are "fake." "Fake" or not, it's the evidence they have to run with during trial. I do agree that they covered it up because of blowback.

The idea Trump diddled kids is absolutely ridiculous. They would've used it by now. They literally shut down towns to go after his supporters. Bannon and Navarro went to prison. They convicted him with a literally imaginary crime to get the 34 felony counts shoved onto him. They lied about him raping a woman. They lied about Stormy Daniels. They made up the entire RussiaGate bullshit. If they had even the slightest hint that Trump was diddling kids, it'd be plastered everywhere.

In fact, they'd pin the entire Epstein saga on Trump if they had ANYTHING legitimate to link them together. You would see headlines all over every Mainstream mass media site saying "TRUMP AND EPSTEIN RAN PEDO RINGS".

This is the most likely theory for what's happening behind the scenes I think.

I agree but it doesn't fit entirely on its own. Sure, Mossad can demand this, but it doesn't explain Trump's sudden claim it's a hoax and accusing Democrats of making it up. It doesn't explain Bongino or Patel's attitudes either.

 

[BullfrogBill]

I agree but it doesn't fit entirely on its own. Sure, Mossad can demand this, but it doesn't explain Trump's sudden claim it's a hoax and accusing Democrats of making it up. It doesn't explain Bongino or Patel's attitudes either.

I edited my post you're responding to that touches on that before I saw your reply lol

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

My issue with this theory is that Trump and Bondi could have both been honest about that situation and people would have believed them.

And say what? "Sorry guys, Epstein Documents were already tampered with and destroyed by the time we got in. We don't know who did it, and can't prosecute anyone."? Kash, Bondi, and Noem are already fighting against their own departments. You've had FBI agents defect. You've had several threaten to defect. You try to throw the FBI or DOJ under the bus for it, it's Kash's problem. Don't forget someone just attempted to shoot up the FBI HQ not long ago.

Or do they just shiv Dan Bongino in the back and make him say that Epstein killed himself, and hope that everyone buys it? I mean, the gamble paid off. Nobody cares. Epstein is still a very esoteric thing and FanDuel normies don't seem to give a shit.

I edited my post you're responding to that touches on that before I saw your reply lol

I definitely think Israel stuff happened. I just don't buy that on its own is enough to stop Trump and his people from digging more into Epstein. A poisoned well + Mossad theory holds up stronger IMHO.

 

[Sneed Lurker]

The 4 missing minutes of Epsteins prison cell has been leaked!

 

[BullfrogBill]

And say what? "Sorry guys, Epstein Documents were already tampered with and destroyed by the time we got in. We don't know who did it, and can't prosecute anyone."? Kash, Bondi, and Noem are already fighting against their own departments. You've had FBI agents defect. You've had several threaten to defect. You try to throw the FBI or DOJ under the bus for it, it's Kash's problem. Don't forget someone just attempted to shoot up the FBI HQ not long ago.

Yes, if there is confirmed tampering going on with FBI evidence and files then that needs to be reported on and it's the White House's duty to put an end to this kind of corruption in our government, especially when we were promised full transparency, which should be a given no matter what anyway. If Trump can verify that the files have been altered since he was in the White House for his first term then there's probably others that can verify that too. If any of this was what was happening then it's a crisis that needs to be taken care of much more urgently than getting into sand brawls in the middle east and getting involved with the Ukraine/Russia war again for some reason.

It doesn't explain Bongino or Patel's attitudes either.

Something I want to say about Bongino as well, this is a guy that has claimed for years that there's no way Jeffery Epstein killed himself from the information that we had and claimed he would "never drop it", just to get into the administration and start talking about how nothing happened and he just killed himself and his smoking gun evidence is the same video that was described all the way back in 2019 complete with the missing footage? What sense does that make? The video was meant to get people to shut up about Epstein being murdered yet he only proved the original claims from 2019 that there was footage missing from the night that Epstein died. It's the same info we had when Bongino was saying Epstein was murdered and none of this makes sense.

So it's either that Bongino never believed any of the crap he's been slinging around for years and is just a grifter riding the wave and now has a new wave he needs to ride on, or he's just legit really stupid. And I don't think I'm the smartest guy out there so I don't know if I'm convinced that Bongino is really that fucking dumb.

 

[Delany's Donkey]

it doesn't explain Trump's sudden claim it's a hoax and accusing Democrats of making it up. It doesn't explain Bongino or Patel's attitudes either.

i think trump just wants everyone to stop talking about it and he's hoping by saying it's all a democrat lie like 99% of his other controversies really were his supporters will believe him and drop it. the problem for him is it clearly isn't and they aren't.

As for kash and Bongino they're grifting spook who will obviously fall in line if told to, same with bondi.

 

[Fellen]

Okay, another one of those post about my thoughts on this situation. If Trump was on the list, this would've certainly have been the October surprise during the election. There's no excuse why the Biden administration wouldn't have released it if he was on the list. Any of the other names would've been minuscule compared to the coverage of Trump being on the list. Even if other Democrats were on the list, the winning of the election would've been worth it.

The likely reason he's withholding is because all of what would be revealed would have ties to Israel. Trump and his love for Israel makes sense as to why he'd withhold and explain why Biden wouldn't have revealed it either. The revelation of the ties between Epstein and Israel would crater support of Israel at a time where support is declining with younger Republicans and young people in general.

I do hope that Massie's resolution passes because America deserves to know who went, and if Israel is involved, the US needs to divorce itself from Israel.

 

[Beardfish]

Not to be an ass, but why isn't this on the front page? Trump launching ungodly amounts of copium about the situation makes it pretty clear there's something questionable going on.

Anyone who believes Epstein didn't have a client list needs to kill himself right now.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

If Trump was on the list, they wouldn't have exposed him because the entire point of the list is that it is a case of mutually assured destruction. - You destroy Trump, you destroy yourself. The entire point is to make sure that the institutional rot lasts. It's why how with the likes of Savile they could not speak of him whilst he was around because he had dirt on all of his friends; and it was better to be his friend than his enemy. It's the same with Heffner and why his collection of blackmail was destroyed.

The goal is simply guilt by association. Nothing more, nothing less. It's in the field of speculation which is the point of this strategy. It's the very same card Republicans play.

 

[MoeAnonymous]

The one thing I want to know is why Trump is trying to bury this scandal so desperately. We all know he was fucking kids with Epstein — even clueless normies were made aware of this when Elon tweeted about it during their flame war. This will be his last term in office, and after the tariffs and BBB I seriously doubt the Trump administration has any sway with the public any more.

I'm more inclined to believe that the disclosure of this material would be a security concern for Israel, since plenty of the court material implicates high ranking Israeli politicians. And MIGA can't allow that to happen. Trump can be a fall guy, but Israel can't.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Okay, another one of those post about my thoughts on this situation. If Trump was on the list, this would've certainly have been the October surprise during the election. There's no excuse why the Biden administration wouldn't have released it if he was on the list. Any of the other names would've been minuscule compared to the coverage of Trump being on the list. Even if other Democrats were on the list, the winning of the election would've been worth it.

That's your persecution complex talking. If Trump was a legitimate anti-establishment threat that they are willing to stop at all costs, he wouldn't be covering up for pedos and they wouldn't have let him win in the first place.

Not to be an ass, but why isn't this on the front page? Trump launching ungodly amounts of copium about the situation makes it pretty clear there's something questionable going on.

Anyone who believes Epstein didn't have a client list needs to kill himself right now.

Kiwifarms have stared into the lolcow too long and now it stares back.

 

[(Physiognamy Czech)]

I don't think its cope to say there's not a list. It's not like there was a sign in sheet at the front desk of the island. Whatever list got compiled from all the forensics and accounting and paper trails is possibly circumstantial. I've heard reasoning along the line of "releasing it could taint jurys and impact investigations" which is possibly true.

I also don't get the sense Trumps a pedophile. I think it's more likely he's a fag honestly, given the trophy wife thing and his general behavior. It also sounds like he's trying to be impressive / larping when he talks about women and grabbing their pussies etc. He probably was at Epsteins island at some point, but again, it's not like you sign in for the kiddy rape session when you land. Its possible most people didn't do shit with kids there, even if they knew it was happening.

HOWEVER, even though all this nuance is possible and likely true, it is so fucking pathetic that we can't just release the "list." Sure there will economic and political fallout on a global scale, but its probably fucking needed at this point. Really fucking gay for Trump to reverse the narrative and run defense for this shit. Nature of the beast is that he has to rub shoulders with the legit pedophilic elites and you can't honestly expect him to lay on the grenade though.

 

[ParasiteSteve]

Have you guys ever considered the possibility Trump is now in the files, and the reason he didn't release it is because he knew he wasn't in them before?

Bro, this is some hardcore cope. I mean at least the typical MAGAfags are just lamenting and trying to bargain it away like pathetic worms, but you are going all in on a huge conspiracy that makes little sense.

I respect it.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

The idea Trump diddled kids is absolutely ridiculous. They would've used it by now.

Not if they're all guilty.

His insane, unhinged rants about this issue and utter denial of reality just makes it obvious he's either hiding something and doesn't want anybody to find out or sliding into severe dementia.

Sorry, this ain't 4D chess. It's just a perverted, corrupt, dying old fuck's history catching up to him. He was never on your side.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Trump wasn't on the list, get over it and look at the bigger picture. He isn't releasing it because doing so would have a bigger, negative impact on America than the justice of a few elite nonces.

Perhaps foreign enemies have made sure that list isn't released, over threat of war, financial sanctions or who knows what else.
Perhaps, releasing the list would throw so much chaos into the military, business and political class of America that it would open it up to such chaos that a foreign nation could take big chunks out of America.
Or maybe, some of the nonces are really, really, really powerful and Trump's choice was "back down and take the L or we bankrupt your country and everywhere will look like Portland".

As shit as it is to swallow, maybe there are other reasons the list wasn't released other than "Trump is a nonce". The only thing that makes sense to me, given the evidence, is that Trump/The president of america, isn't as powerful as once believed.

 

[R00T]

>but think of my national unrest. the pedo has to not release it so something bad doesn't happen

Isn't this the same people that claim they'd totes go ham in civil war 2: electric boogaloo?