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Yeah, I hate Ana Valens but I am absolutely not taking the side of big payment processor when they are censoring everything else they don't like for some reason.

Elon Musk was talking about how X needs to start a neutral payment processor to compete in the same space that wont force steam and onlyfans or whoever else to stop doing lawful activities
 
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If you've sputtered the word "feminist" in reply to this you're a fool taking the bait. They want you to be angry at small social activist organizations instead of the trillion-dollar-a-year banking monolith. You should not be angry that a nameless collective of women from Australia are going after violent pornography. You should be angry that a nameless collective of bankers have the ability to prevent American consumers from buying from American stores.

Payment processors are deputized by the Federal Government and required to enforce US Federal Law. The United States Code has on the books laws against obscenity and lolicon. You can say that those things are unenforceable in court, despite existing on the books, but private companies are not the court. Therefore, the financial services will enforce US Federal Law as it is written and because their risk assessment strategies are trade secrets, they are under no obligation to even tell you why they take these actions. They are obligated to do due diligence in preventing criminal actions, they are not obligated to provide (and are indeed protected from civil action arising from denying) you service.

This started with the PATRIOT Act. Title III of the PATRIOT Act was codified as permanent federal law.
  • 31 U.S.C. (Money and Finance): Enhancing reporting requirements, prohibitions on correspondent accounts with shell banks, and penalties for money laundering (e.g., §§ 5311, 5318, 5321–5332).
  • 18 U.S.C. (Crimes and Criminal Procedure): Strengthening forfeiture and jurisdictional provisions related to financial crimes.
  • Other scattered sections, such as 22 U.S.C. for international financial policy and 50 U.S.C. for national security-related measures.
Below are examples of laws that financial services are enforcing on behalf of the government.
  • 18 U.S.C. § 1461 (Mailing obscene or crime-inciting matter): Prohibits using the U.S. mail to distribute obscene materials, including those depicting sexual violence, rape, or incest if deemed obscene.
  • 18 U.S.C. § 1462 (Importation or transportation of obscene matters): Criminalizes transporting obscene materials via common carrier or other means in interstate or foreign commerce, covering violent or obscene pornography.
  • 18 U.S.C. § 1465 (Production and transportation of obscene matters for sale or distribution): Bans producing obscene materials with intent to transport or distribute them in interstate commerce, applicable to violent or thematically obscene content like rape depictions.
  • 18 U.S.C. § 1470 (Transfer of obscene material to minors): Prohibits transferring obscene matter (e.g., violent pornography) to individuals under 16 using any facility of interstate commerce.
And then there are various state laws requiring ID to buy pornography. Did you enter an ID to buy pornography on Steam? They might be running afoul of state criminal laws as well. Remember when Texas sued Netflix over Cuties?

Financial services should be required to do business with all US entities and they should even be insulated from the consequences of accidentally providing financial services for crimes unless there is gross negligence or deliberate facilitation.

Petitions and crying on the Internet will not fix this. We need the Congress to pass a bill.
 
A&Ntards malding ITT about how wahmen are evil and behind the censorship slippery slope do not know that the feminists here are merely being useful idiots to create the impression of widespread support, onsidering that the payment processors months ago started targeting japanese yaoi crap in spite of no mass moviment for it happening.
wasn't there some other site a couple months or a year or so ago that got kicked off the big card networks? Might have been an A&N thread, something in the MATI thread or the anime porn debate thread, but some like Japanese Patreon-like site got the banhammer.
On one hand, less porn is a good thing, but on the other hand, people are being a little naive if they think it won't be used to debank and deperson people (((the cathedral))) don't approve of.
 
Do you have any suggestions on what to write to our representatives? I'm good for a letter.
Not really, no. It's such a nebulous concept it's almost impossible to describe without a full rundown of US legislative history. The nutshell is that you'd want to reverse a ton of random requirements on financial services, and you'd want to instead require them to play ball with everyone.

More ideally you'd want to completely destroy them and have a real banking system like IBAN in Europe... but how do you ask people to word that? We demand to be a part of IBAN??? Americans don't even want that because they'd rather MasterCard know everything they buy and sell it to marketers, than the US government knowing everything you bought (they do anyways but we can pretend they don't because MC is private).
 
If you've sputtered the word "feminist" in reply to this you're a fool taking the bait. They want you to be angry at small social activist organizations instead of the trillion-dollar-a-year banking monolith. You should not be angry that a nameless collective of women from Australia are going after violent pornography. You should be angry that a nameless collective of bankers have the ability to prevent American consumers from buying from American stores.
Okay, but somebody has to tell the payment processors about the content. Sure, they might have known about the adult content on steam but when you put the shit in the janny's hand, he's gonna smell it.

It's like the cottage industry of people using the powerful AI tools to generate AI porn or erotica. Acts that are specifically against these company's ToS. These companies are processing so much data they literally can't find out about what people are doing. But if you report an email address to the jannies over there, you could probably get that person shut down when he likely would never have been otherwise.
 
Okay, but somebody has to tell the payment processors about the content. Sure, they might have known about the adult content on steam but when you put the shit in the janny's hand, he's gonna smell it.
if you hanged all these women some other busy body would complain about something to someone. you'd have to hang the entire world population to get people to stop complaining. WHY do the PAYMENT PROCESSORS have the ABILITY TO ENFORCE THE DEMANDS of AUSTRALIANS?

If you're so fucking dumb you can't stop blaming the finger for pulling the trigger you should probably just hang yourself instead
 
if you hanged all these women some other busy body would complain about something to someone. you'd have to hang the entire world population to get people to stop complaining. WHY do the PAYMENT PROCESSORS have the ABILITY TO ENFORCE THE DEMANDS of AUSTRALIANS?

If you're so fucking dumb you can't stop blaming the finger for pulling the trigger you should probably just hang yourself instead
I'm not saying that the payment processors aren't to blame, but I don't understand why you're saying that it's stupid to blame the person who told the guy with the gun to pull the trigger. Both groups have blame.
 
I'm not saying that the payment processors aren't to blame, but I don't understand why you're saying that it's stupid to blame the person who told the guy with the gun to pull the trigger. Both groups have blame.
BECAUSE THEY DO NOT MATTER. If a small knitting circle of retards in Australia is forcing the largest games marketplace the world has ever seen to do things, and not even because of their own decisions but because of the fucking payment processors that handle literally trillions of dollars a year and have the ability to arbitrarily shut down any company anywhere on the face of the fucking planet, we are FUCKED.

100% of attention must go towards the issue. The issue is the financial services. The issue is the payment networks. The issue is MasterCard and Visa and Discover and American Express. The issue is United States Code enabling and requiring them to do this. The issue must be resolved.

I am telling you you could take a gun and murder all these women and tomorrow the unified outrage of some other activist organization (the ADL, maybe???) would get some other games yanked off the storefront. It won't end until Visa and MasterCard are taken out back and yeeted.

Low IQ anime avatars are going to turn this into GamerGate2 where instead of focusing on the underlying issues of nepotism between Wikipedia, Journalists, and Big Business they are going to hyperfocus on the easy targets (a collection of whores and a tranny).

Dead ass anyone who even says "collective shout" or "feminists" needs a bullet. Banks. Payment processors. Payment networks. Mastercard and Visa. These are your enemies. Nobody else. Nobody else matters. Nobody else comes close. They own you. They rape you. You are The Raped. They rape you every day. Why are you mad at the poster you're looking at while being bent over and raped? Be angry at the cock in your ass raping you.
 
there are moments in time where a jagged alliances are formed.
the Stop killing games thing comes to mind. and that reached its goal last minute. I hate the EU, and trannies, But I hated Mald and AAA companies more.
and so did everyone else. you either fight something big with everyone, or maximum eternal suffering

Either way your ass is getting kicked off the payment processor.
the same people that you're cheering for getting kicked off a payment processor
will cheer when the same is done to you. nothing changes with this.

you'd be stuck in a pattern of
"WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?" to "HAHAHA IT'S HAPPENING TO YOU"
maximum eternal suffering.
This is the reason why I hate censorship in all forms. It's also why I lament censorship when it comes to the Right-Wing advantage too. It's because it opens up to only one avenue where the very rich and powerful will use that censorship to silence any negative press or news about them. They will just use the precedence of "safety" and "security" to do so. Using censorship and celebrating it is basically holding up a sign that says "censorship is cool and you should totally do it." If people on the right will celebrate censoring people, then it will open up to people on the left censoring people too. It just opens up to this full on censorship war that benefits nobody except the rich and powerful.

As much as I hate both sides of the political extreme and as much as I hate degenerates, they have every right to say what they want to say off of principle. People celebrating censorship on both sides are fucking retarded.
 
BECAUSE THEY DO NOT MATTER. If a small knitting circle of retards in Australia is forcing the largest games marketplace the world has ever seen to do things, and not even because of their own decisions but because of the fucking payment processors that handle literally trillions of dollars a year and have the ability to arbitrarily shut down any company anywhere on the face of the fucking planet, we are FUCKED.

100% of attention must go towards the issue. The issue is the financial services. The issue is the payment networks. The issue is MasterCard and Visa and Discover and American Express. The issue is United States Code enabling and requiring them to do this. The issue must be resolved.

I am telling you you could take a gun and murder all these women and tomorrow the unified outrage of some other activist organization (the ADL, maybe???) would get some other games yanked off the storefront. It won't end until Visa and MasterCard are taken out back and yeeted.

Low IQ anime avatars are going to turn this into GamerGate2 where instead of focusing on the underlying issues of nepotism between Wikipedia, Journalists, and Big Business they are going to hyperfocus on the easy targets (a collection of whores and a tranny).

Dead ass anyone who even says "collective shout" or "feminists" needs a bullet. Banks. Payment processors. Payment networks. Mastercard and Visa. These are your enemies. Nobody else. Nobody else matters. Nobody else comes close. They own you. They rape you. You are The Raped. They rape you every day. Why are you mad at the poster you're looking at while being bent over and raped? Be angry at the cock in your ass raping you.
I keep hearing about how bad these payement processors are but have they done anything so far to deserve this ire? All I hear from people is "oh Idk man maybe they one day just turn evil and start mass censoring shit and plummet us into a 1984 dystopia"

I only ever saw them go after gooners and truth be told I can't in good faith act as if some loli rape game made by a pajeet being taken off steam is some catastrophic blow for freeze peach and this site. From what I've seen they are being criticized for their capacity to do evil instead of any evil they actually did. Please do correct me if I'm wrong because I know next to nothing about this topic and don't follow it at all.
 
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I keep hearing about how bad these payement processors are but have they done anything so far to deserve this ire? All I hear from people is "oh Idk man maybe they one day just turn evil and start mass censoring shit and plummet us into a 1984 dystopia"
You're asking this to a guy running a website that he has been unable to financially keep afloat through conventional means because of those fucking payment processors to begin with. Null has gone on record to remark (roughly) that he cannot even open a fucking bank account within the US for business purposes, because of his association with his own site.

Do you newtroons just not even bother lurking at all any more before you open your fat mouths on the sites you're using?
 
I understand where you're going with this, and I guess I underestimate the ability for people to say "Hey, what you did was fucked up" and at the same time say "HEY, PAYMENT PROCESSOR POWER IS FUCKED UP!" with more emphasis at the same time.
You only have so much time and so much mental bandwidth and 100% of anger on this issue must be directed at unifying outrage at the existence of completely unaccountable financial services acting as law enforcement without appeals. Clear your mind. Achieve Chuddha Zen. There is only one enemy and it is the Payment Networks.

I keep hearing about how bad these payement processors are but have they done anything so far to deserve this ire? All I hear from people is "oh Idk man maybe they one day just turn evil and start mass censoring shit and plummet us into a 1984 dystopia"
I have been unable to accept payments for 13 years for the Kiwi Farms. Because of my "background" I had payment processors for my streams and merchandise unrelated to the Kiwi Farms shut down. When I made a 501(c)(4) called USIPS to actually petition my government for change, I was denied access to a payment processor to handle membership payments because of "the principal's background". I am so thoroughly blacklisted by PayPal I cannot book an Uber with any credit card they know belongs to me.

It is a mass censorship apparatus at the brainstem of the economy. It must be completely and totally destroyed.
 
I only ever saw them go after gooners and truth be told I can't in good faith act as if some loli rape game made by a pajeet being taken off steam is some catastrophic blow for freeze peach and this site. From what I've seen they are being criticized for their capacity to do evil instead of any evil they actually did. Please do correct me if I'm wrong because I know next to nothing about this topic and don't follow it at all.
They're literally now going after Beyond Two Souls and trying to get that game banned in Australia for "depicting rape and abuse" even though it is part of a story and doesn't show it in a positive light.

As much as I fucking hate David Caige, he should not be censored by some payment processor kikes and people who celebrate these bans are fucking kike bootlickers who are fantastically fucking retarded.

100% of attention must go towards the issue. The issue is the financial services. The issue is the payment networks. The issue is MasterCard and Visa and Discover and American Express. The issue is United States Code enabling and requiring them to do this. The issue must be resolved.
Exactly. The moment Visa/Mastercard starts denying payment processing and playing favorites, is the moment where everything will go to shit fast.

There's a reason why regulations and laws are sometimes a good thing, so these kikes don't rape us by playing favorites to companies while censoring shit they don't like.
 
I only ever saw them go after gooners and truth be told I can't in good faith act as if some loli rape game made by a pajeet being taken off steam is some catastrophic blow for freeze peach and this site.
You mean the site that's infamously had issues with payment processors and debanking?
 
there are moments in time where a jagged alliances are formed.
the Stop killing games thing comes to mind. and that reached its goal last minute. I hate the EU, and trannies, But I hated Mald and AAA companies more.
and so did everyone else. you either fight something big with everyone, or maximum eternal suffering

Either way your ass is getting kicked off the payment processor.
the same people that you're cheering for getting kicked off a payment processor
will cheer when the same is done to you. nothing changes with this.

you'd be stuck in a pattern of
"WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?" to "HAHAHA IT'S HAPPENING TO YOU"
maximum eternal suffering.
Defending Valens is extremely unlikely to stop payment processors from cancelling chuds and white people, all it might accomplish is reversing Valens getting cancelled, which will just maintain the anti-white status quo of only white people and chuds getting financially cancelled while troons and BIPOC can do almost any heinous thing they want and monetise it.

So no defending Valens is not going to protect everyone from payment processors, it's just choosing to live in a world where financial cancellation only happens to chuds and white people.
It's better to live in a world where all sides are consistently negatively impacted by an unjust law than live in a world where an unjust law is inconsistently applied and only your group is negatively impacted.
 
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