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What's your favorite hymn? Mine is "In the Garden of Eden" by I. Ron Butterfly.
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I'd also include the Christian folk song When the Fire Comes Down from Heaven, though it's not a hymn, but it's still music-related so I'll include it here.

EDIT: @Paradox Mystic - I am King James Only as well, though I'm not an OSAS Calvinist. I'm not saying Jack Chick was, either, but the problem with a lot of KJV-only churches is that they are pro OSAS.
 
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I don't quite remember where I first got this from, but it's about how Salem -where Melchizedec was from- wasn't actually an older name for Jerusalem. Has anyone else read about it?
 
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Day 203 - Pleasure is best enjoyed when it comes to us as a "treat," in contrast to experiences that are less pleasurable. We make a great mistake if we try to have all our nights party-nights. No one would enjoy Thanksgiving if every meal were a turkey dinner. New Year's Event would not delight us if the whistles blew at midnight every night.
 
EDIT: @Paradox Mystic - I am King James Only as well, though I'm not an OSAS Calvinist. I'm not saying Jack Chick was, either, but the problem with a lot of KJV-only churches is that they are pro OSAS.

I remember in one Chick tract, there is some preaching about Calvinism but I can't recommend if it was specifically OSAS or Perseverance of the Saints or something like that or just Calvinism more broadly. I think it included a drawing of Charles Surgeon and maybe John Calvin listed as heros or defenders of the faith.
 
I don't quite remember where I first got this from, but it's about how Salem -where Melchizedec was from- wasn't actually an older name for Jerusalem. Has anyone else read about it?
I've checked a few commentaries, and the only one I have that gives such an interpretation is from the French literal commentary from the 17th century that I'm working on:

"Petrus Cunaeus in De Republica Hebraeorum (The Hebrew Republic) has revived an opinion held by some ancient thinkers, who believed that Melchizedek was not a man, but the Son of God appearing to Abraham. He argues that the names "Melchizedek" and "King of Salem" should be understood in a generic sense, as titles describing the qualities of the Son of God, who is a King of Justice and a King of Peace, as the Apostle notes in the Epistle to the Hebrews (7:2).

Cunaeus proposes that in this passage, "Salem" is no more a city's name than "Zedec" is a man's name, since the Apostle interprets both names literally as 'peace' and 'justice'. He suggests that the Son of God appeared to Abraham in human form with the adornments of both a High Priest and a King, which is why he was given those titles. He adds that whenever the second person of the Trinity appeared to Abraham, He did so in the same form that Jesus Christ had during his mortal life. This, Cunaeus claims, is what the Apostle meant by the words Assimilatus Filio Dei (made like unto the Son of God; Heb 7:3), and what the Savior himself indicated when he said that Abraham longed to see his day, that he saw it, and rejoiced (John 8:56).

He continues that this was a special favor granted to Abraham and to no other Patriarch, as Jesus insinuates with these words (Matthew 13:17): "Truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it." Therefore, the words from the Psalm (109:4), "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek," mean nothing other than, "You are a Priest and King of Justice," or, "You are the King of Justice and Peace, who lives eternally, who has blessed Abraham."

However, the novelty and peculiarity of this opinion are enough for it to be rejected by anyone who, in interpreting the Holy Scriptures, follows only the teachings of the early Church Fathers accepted by the Catholic Church.

REX SALEM. King of Salem.

Saint Jerome seems to believe that this city of Salem is the one mentioned in the New Testament (John 3:23) as Salim, near Scythopolis. He asserts that the ruins of Melchizedek's palace were still pointed out there. Ussher proposes that Salem is the same as Shiloh, which was well-known for being the repository of the Ark under the Judges until its capture by the Philistines.

But the prevailing view, held by Josephus, all the Church Fathers, and the Commentators, is that Melchizedek was the king of Jerusalem, which is called Salem in Psalm 75:2. Saint Epiphanius says that some place Salem in the territory of Shechem, across from Nablus. Eusebius appears to share this view; it even seems he believed that Shechem and Salem were the same city."
 
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Romans 16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Leviticus 3 2 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.
 
I remember in one Chick tract, there is some preaching about Calvinism but I can't recommend if it was specifically OSAS or Perseverance of the Saints or something like that or just Calvinism more broadly. I think it included a drawing of Charles Surgeon and maybe John Calvin listed as heros or defenders of the faith.
This is the first one I thought of – Why No Revival? - Specifically, the panel below:

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What's your favorite hymn? Mine is "In the Garden of Eden" by I. Ron Butterfly.

Pange lingua gloriosi corporis mysterium

usually just called "Pange Lingua" for short.

wikipedia:
"Pange lingua gloriosi corporis mysterium" (Ecclesiastical Latin: [ˈpandʒe ˈliŋɡwa ɡloriˈosi ˈkorporis miˈsteri.um]) is a Medieval Latin hymn attributed to Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274) for the Feast of Corpus Christi.
It is also sung on Maundy Thursday during the procession from the church to the place where the Blessed Sacrament is kept until Good Friday. The last two stanzas (called, separately, Tantum ergo) are sung at Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament. The hymn expresses the doctrine that the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ during the celebration of the Eucharist.

It is often sung in English as the hymn "Of the Glorious Body Telling" to the same tune as the Latin.
 
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This is the first one I thought of – Why No Revival? - Specifically, the panel below:
You can check the books section on his site. Dude was incredibly KJV-onlyist.

I did notice he has one called The Next Step which was meant to be read after you were saved after reading a Chick tract, so I read through it since it might give some clue about his soteriological views.

Chick says you'll constantly be under attack from Satan when you're a new Christian and this can make you doubt your salvation. Reading the KJV every day, of course, is your spiritual armor. There is no mention of being able to lose your salvation.

Chick also says you should live an upstanding moral life after conversion. This is accompanied by a comic where this guy (who looks like a hilarious Jewish caricature) is wondering if he should ask his Christian co-worker about Jesus, but then sees his co-worker swiping some paperclips from the office and thinks he is a hypocrite DUN DUN DUN the perfidious Jew wasn't converted. Again, no mention of losing your salvation.

So yes I'd say Chick is OSAS.
 
I did notice he has one called The Next Step which was meant to be read after you were saved after reading a Chick tract, so I read through it since it might give some clue about his soteriological views.

Chick says you'll constantly be under attack from Satan when you're a new Christian and this can make you doubt your salvation. Reading the KJV every day, of course, is your spiritual armor. There is no mention of being able to lose your salvation.

Chick also says you should live an upstanding moral life after conversion. This is accompanied by a comic where this guy (who looks like a hilarious Jewish caricature) is wondering if he should ask his Christian co-worker about Jesus, but then sees his co-worker swiping some paperclips from the office and thinks he is a hypocrite DUN DUN DUN the perfidious Jew wasn't converted. Again, no mention of losing your salvation.

So yes I'd say Chick is OSAS.
I've read that booklet as well, and there are some bits in here I disagree with in your write-up to some degree:
  • I've been under attack as well, it was fairly fierce after I came back to Christ after being backslidden for eight years. - The attacks came in the form of severe doubts along with intrusive obscene and blasphemous thoughts, which the booklet gets right. I've had physical issues as well which I think were attacks, and I've seen and heard them in others, though notably I haven't seen them in people who are unsaved/still backslidden. Makes sense, since Satan doesn't attack someone he already has.
  • The paperclip scene has to do with the guy noticing the paperclips were left there and he'd return them to his coworker the following day as I recall. The other guy in the office mistakes him for a thief, and the point of it is that your behavior may influence others whether they will accept Christ or not, since I've heard and seen a lot of people who were driven away from Christianity because of the hypocrisy they've seen from Christians.
  • It makes sense to read scripture daily; how would you know what is and is not morally acceptable in Christianity if you don't read it? It makes sense that Satan would want to keep Christians away from the Bible - the Lord's people perish for lack of knowledge. "I didn't know it was a sin" is not an excuse. - Living a moral life as you say is going to be a work in progress as you grow in Christ as your walk with Him continues.
From what I've seen in Chick's other work, specifically a tract called Four Angels?, it is a retelling of the parable of the sower, and three of the four people focused on in the tract have their angel leave when they fall away. I have never ever seen anything in any of Jack Chick's body of work which describes detailed theological discussions about Arminian (Conditional Security) vs. Calvinist (OSAS). I don't doubt God used Jack Chick in a mighty way to get the Gospel to millions of people, and I feel like it has spiritually resonated with me about Chick being in Heaven. I've thought about purchasing a copy of the biography on him Chick Publications put out, entitled You Don't Know Jack to do additional research.
 
This is why the Old Testament in PARTICULAR needs to be read carefully. It has wisdom but when it comes to doctrine its not so good.
I fail to see how viewing the old testament as apocrypha is some sort of revelation. The old testament as Apocrypha has been such since before the Council of Nicaea

Subsequent church councils have since confirmed its Apocryphal status. As guidance only and not doctrinal. Adopting old testament teachings as doctrine is heretical and in contravention of the guiding fundamental teachings of Christianity.

Any church that uses the old testament as a guiding principle sets itself outside the universal church and is heresy
What on earth are you on about, Satan? The "doctrine" of the OT is not removed or separate to the NT. It is equally the inspired and preserved Word of the Lord, and is the only means through which the NT can be fully understood. It is definitely not apocryphal, and to call any church which takes the Bible in its fullness as 'outside the universal church' and 'heretical' is itself a damnable statement.
 
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