General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Bindo]

I thought NOVA's IPs were a lease? Will they continue their activities under the same chuubas or will they have to rebrand?

Here's the thing, lawyers don't work in exchange for "Talent Freedom." If VShitshow is in fact multiple millions in the hole, with no real assets and massive outstanding liabilities (just wait for the chargebacks to start hitting), they are going to have exactly zero mechanism to enforce their IP. No lawyer is going to work for free to recover funds from former talent who HAVE no funds because the lawyer's client hasn't paid them in 6+ months.

TL;DR: The talents can probably use whatever they want with minimal risk.

 

[Rezza]

So when done correctly, Corpos handle the technical stuff that you and your manager (boyfriend) don't have to. Merch, sponsorships, songs, concerts, and most of all you have a good name in your corner to get those things. "Freedom" in the Indie scene is a trick of the light, because if you say anything bad about someone popular or espouse an unpopular opinion then you are fucked. So you still have censorship, but self imposed. And at that point it's really a matter of whether you prefer playing games you want or making more money. And let's be honest, you can always play those games in your time off, with the money you got from doing a song and dance for a label

Don't forget acting also as an agent to look for those sweet brand deals, sponsorship, and gigs; and also as lawyer for finalising those contracts with brands

 

[whatsupwthat]

Looks like the kettle will keep her current manager, so her joining Phase or some other corpo is a lot less likely now.

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[MinecraftPissBalzz]

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Sinder donation 666 lmao keeping that hellhound alive it seems

 

[Major von der Westfront]

It's relatively up in the air at this point if we take the word of that JP branch head Kson had on yesterday. Talking about the future of the JP talents he said that Henya and Kson would be fine going indie and taking their managers with them. But with NOVA specifically he said it was still undetermined because they "weren't in the black yet" (not "paid off" yet for their models and stuff I would imagine)

Nazuna on the other hand surely had recouped her expenses as she stayed on for a full year and got a decent outpouring of support at the time.

Hopefully the NOVA girls get their shit, also iirc one of them, Hestia Happiness, was a pre existing JP indie so they'll certainly keep their stuff. And if you look at the departure tweets you'll notice she's the only one that says she's going indie, the others only say they are "parting ways with Vshojo" which is ambiguous compared to Hestia's.

That is true. Given them being as new as they are and Vshojo's issues, I could see that those models still need to be paid for. What I could imagine is exactly one of those 2 scenarios. Given Hestia's status as being formerly Indie, she is most likely going to stay and not become a new chuuba. But Given the other 3 and the ambiguity of their statements in comparison, I have my belief that they'll possibly be able to keep the models, but will have to front the bill themselves. Possibly. I will admit, that Nazuna was a different case since she was around for a year, but I wonder specifically on her payments. I could see, for example, VshojoEN not giving VshojoJP the money to pay for Nazuna and being late on it (since Vei's statement does suggest something similar happening to her with payments). My only real problem with this line of thinking is that Kson was being paid until last September in 2024. It would probably not be the case for Nazuna even despite staying for a year.

Interesting things to think about really.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Guys.
which vtuber was it that did a group orgy with a bunch of guys at a hotel room during an anime convention
Im sure i heard it here a while ago,
or am i crazy?

Might be thinking of Riro Ron

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

I just think it's really weird that Mowtendoo is acting like how didn't knew jack

I am 100% with you on this. This had been going on for YEARS from the sounds of it.
No innocent parties with the upper echelon. You'd know.
What needs to happen now is the government needs to step in and begin an investigation of what happened with the money.
This shit feels like embezzlement.

 

[Seared Strawberry]

Curious to see what the purpose for the company money issues were. I thought vtubers were drowning in money. Did they over promise to acquire talent? Corrupt background shit going on?

Spoiler: Yet another financial rant

The only way you consistently make money as a Vtuber is being an indie that either constantly ups the ante for your viewers, or you do Discord emotional farming.
It's mostly done with the egirl GFE types but you can do a friend approach and it works just as well if not better sometimes.
That's why they have all Discords btw, and they tend to not interact as much once the community gets large enough but most indies that make decent cash stay active with it because their community never gets large enough for it to run itself. Upside though is that you get a lot of cash, lot of time spent though.

Being in a company management makes money before you do as a talent unless they give out a salary and I think only Phase did that before they became more financially viable and the CEO of that company is very tight fisted.
But that's the only way you make money in any company in entertainment is by being extremely tight fisted.
The talents rarely make money, let alone good money, unless they're in Hololive or are a rare case. I've said this before and I will say this again this doesn't just extend to Vtubing but entertainment in general.

or the rest of the girls that were in VShojo were hiding the fact payments were spotty from people joining which makes them worse imo. It'd be one thing to fall for a ponzi and another to drag your "friends" into it. There doesn't seem to be any breaking in the ranks among the talents so I doubt that is true.

Entertainment online and especially in Vtubing you need to look as friendly as possible because a lot of these people want to be ultra pimped out with sponsors and business partners.
The girls were probably talking to each other since the payments seemed to stop somewhere around late summer/fall of last year. They knew they were just hopeful.

Henya needs a wrangler of the sort that I don't think Mythic is set up to provide.

Girl is a kettle at the end of the day and needs pressure/limitations to brew up any good tea imo.

I’m going to sweep for her a bit. She didn’t cheat on her husband. If you look at the date on the dms of when her and her husband took and compare them to the “cheating” dms you’ll see the “cheating” takes place in that break.

Woman or fuck boy hands must've typed this, no male outside of a single mom raised fuck boy believes in, "breaks" with relationships, jfc I want to take a flamethrower to you people that believe that, "breaks" exist within relationships you actively aid in ruining the world.

Let me guess you're also, "Bi" unfuckingbelievable that bug people like you can exist.

You disgust me on an atomic level and I am writing this with my foid hands, die in hell faggot.

which vtuber was it that did a group orgy with a bunch of guys at a hotel room during an anime convention
Im sure i heard it here a while ago,

Sounds like a Mythos thing.

Can any Corpofags please explain, or give examples of corps doing really good things for their talent? Phase must be really good, right? I mean, they got marimari_en to join and she's... average intelligence.

Spoiler: Long and autistic corpo rant

Number can go up with notoriety if you have even one good talent connected to the brand you're signing on with.
I know indies that make more money than Brave Group girls but here's the thing, they don't get invited to events and have to scrape, claw and bleed for their numbers, far less so than they used to due to the mass exodus in 2024, indies just aren't popping up like that anymore, and I don't mean the successful ones with a five figure sub count, I mean just the 4 or even 3 digit sub counts.
"Successful" ones less so.

Even if you don't stay with a company when you jump ship some people will still follow you, so you still have a net gain.
Tsunderia girls that haven't joined Phase Connect are still pulling decent numbers even if their channels aren't blowing up subscriber wise, with CCVs at 100+ a stream, I'm looking right at Amiya Aranha in particular when I say this. She's very tech savvy and a damn good streamer but without the notoriety of being apart of Tsunderia her momentum wouldn't have picked up like it did, even though a lot of people have long forgotten Tsunderia at this point except for maybe Phaseheads and a few True and Honest vtuber fans.
This girl now makes more money than she ever did in Tsunderia though I don't think she rakes it in, and I'm unsure if she does it full time or not but Tsunderia was so in the red it was unreal, and that's how it is for a lot of small to mid size corpos.... when we had them in the EN side.
I'm not counting Brave Group and it's many splinters if you do you're either new or disingenuous.

If you're not in entertainment being paid with exposure is just a meme but that's how people really do it and small to mid level indie corpos back when we had them this is how it was done.
The only small corpo I can really think of that hasn't been proven a scam/horrific to their talents yet on the EN side is Variance Project, but they're really new, and we'll see what's in store soon, and with luck it'll be good or at the very least not bad.

Marimari_EN talked about it when she was telling why she joined Phase. She would have artists and production companies ghost her when she wanted to get merch done because they do not respect indies.

I work within the vtubing space to pick up clients that this happens to, specifically this reason and this exact situation.
Even if a talent has the personality to wrangle with artists and companies that they're working with it is absolutely exhausting and so incredibly time consuming.
Even if you're a practically no name company having 3-4 people from the same company ask about why this talents' assets or comms aren't being done tends to get the ball rolling further, even moreso if you're known to take legal action against artists.

 

[Bindo]

I work within the vtubing space to pick up clients that this happens to, specifically this reason and this exact situation.
Even if a talent has the personality to wrangle with artists and companies that they're working with it is absolutely exhausting and so incredibly time consuming.
Even if you're a practically no name company having 3-4 people from the same company ask about why this talents' assets or comms aren't being done tends to get the ball rolling further, even moreso if you're known to take legal action against artists.

I've never worked in vtubing/streaming, but when dealing with any "creative", written contracts/agreements and set, documented project milestones are basically the only way to keep them tard wrangled, frequently even when paying "premium" rates.

 

[Burnt Fish]

Woman or fuck boy hands must've typed this, no male outside of a single mom raised fuck boy believes in, "breaks" with relationships, jfc I want to take a flamethrower to you people that believe that, "breaks" exist within relationships you actively aid in ruining the world.

Let me guess you're also, "Bi" unfuckingbelievable that bug people like you can exist.

You disgust me on an atomic level and I am writing this with my foid hands, die in hell faggot.

honestly speaking, misplaced anger on this.

Think people putting "breaks" in their relationship is a problem? get mad at the people doing it, not the person recognizing that's what the both of them were saying at the time. The person your responding to doesn't have to believe that "breaks" exist in a relationship, the actual parties in question already did that for him.

I've personally always just shrugged off the relationship stuff about froot, congratulations she's one of the like 90% of military wives, who was probably hastily married to try and increase the dude's pay grade, and ended up sleeping around while he was gone. must be a day that ends in Y. (if god forbid anyone here is some young highschooler considering enlisting, don't get married before you deploy it's almost always a terrible choice)

I work within the vtubing space to pick up clients that this happens to, specifically this reason and this exact situation.
Even if a talent has the personality to wrangle with artists and companies that they're working with it is absolutely exhausting and so incredibly time consuming.

I know you're new here but you should be aware that every time you start to powerlevel like this you should remember you are on the farms and people here can turn even the tiniest bit of info you give into a way to track your real identity down. Especially when you're talking about working in such a niche sector as the vtubing space. And that sounds like a job that would be quickly fucked up by getting outted as a farmer.

 

[Howling Janny Dog]

Looks like the kettle will keep her current manager, so her joining Phase or some other corpo is a lot less likely now.
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Whichever route she takes, hope it works out for her this time.

I will collab beg tho

 

[Seared Strawberry]

I've never worked in vtubing/streaming, but when dealing with any "creative", written contracts/agreements and set, documented project milestones are basically the only way to keep them tard wrangled, frequently even when paying ""premium" rates.

Agreed. That's why dates are so important and should be heavily enforced with anything project related.

I know you're new here but you should be aware that every time you start to powerlevel like this you should remember you are on the farms and people here can turn even the tiniest bit of info you give into a way to track your real identity down. Especially when you're talking about working in such a niche sector as the vtubing space. And that sounds like a job that would be quickly fucked up by getting outted as a farmer.

I think you are black but I will respond to this because you actually seem like you're trying to be helpful instead of snide and smug for once.

I appreciate this but even if I lose the company that I work with it's just a fun gig and no harm no foul on my part and I can keep doing my independent gigwork since I and the people I'm entwined with am financially stable, working in vtubing is just a fun hobby.
That being said I'd rather not have the people I've worked with catch grief by being associated with me saying things like nigger, faggot, and referring to people as onaholes.
While I think people punished by association is retarded I am still aware that it's a rule of Soyciety.

honestly speaking, misplaced anger on this.

It's the internet, and I'm gonna be mad at it

 

[DSP for president 2032]

I dunno man. It just seems pretty weird to tell the person you're sharing a room with to not come back to the room unless you call them if you're just playing Mario Party with five randos

I think the excuse was that marimari_en knew that HinaBobina was high as a kite on edibles and didn't want to make her stressed out by coming back to find a bunch of strange guys in her room.

Not the greatest excuse, but I have to wonder; wouldn't Hina know not to talk about it if it WAS actually an orgy and not just Mario Party? The reason she blabbed about it is probably because mari is telling the truth and there really were no dicks out.

 

[paule]

I can't shake off the feeling that someone, an current or ex-Vshojo member, should have warned the newly scouted or auditioned vtubers about the shit that was really going on behind the scene. Amalee joined about 6 months ago when VShojo was already shitting the bed. Someone should have spoken up earlier before all these people walked into a burning building.

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Palate cleanser: Figaro is cruising through the night

 

[DerangedBehavior]

I am 100% with you on this. This had been going on for YEARS from the sounds of it.
No innocent parties with the upper echelon. You'd know.
What needs to happen now is the government needs to step in and begin an investigation of what happened with the money.
This shit feels like embezzlement.

People are already sweeping for him on twitter saying "HE IS JUST CMO, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FINANCIALS" alongside his latest tweet. I'll be disappointed if MowTenDoo (the only one I remotely care about in this shit, not a vtuber fan) actually did some shady shit but won't be surprised considering he scammed fans before with making a patreon and never releasing content afterwards.

 

[Pixy]

What needs to happen now is the government needs to step in and begin an investigation of what happened with the money.
This shit feels like embezzlement.

What we need is Ethics In Vtubing. Vshojogate, if you will.

 

[Cheese_lad]

Woman or fuck boy hands must've typed this, no male outside of a single mom raised fuck boy believes in, "breaks" with relationships, jfc I want to take a flamethrower to you people that believe that, "breaks" exist within relationships you actively aid in ruining the world.

I’m not talking about me. I’m talking about a marriage that ended years ago. I don’t think breaks are a real thing that happens in HEALTHY relationships and this was clearly a toxic one. And you’re right it wasn’t a break it was a break up and eventually they got back together (which is just a break but messier and just as unhealthy), but that doesn’t matter cause it’s not my point. My point is that it’s fucking retarded to call a woman a cheater because she sexted with a guy after her previous boyfriend/husband broke up with her. Especially when she cut off all contact with the guy when they got back together. I don’t know why people act like these breaks or break ups were mutual or Froot’s decision when everything we’ve seen points to the exact opposite. No one in their right mind should care that someone moved on quick after getting dumped. I don’t like Froot; she has so many negative qualities and shitty actions, but for some reason this shit is always the center of discussion.

 

[whatsupwthat]

People are already sweeping for him on twitter saying "HE IS JUST CMO, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FINANCIALS" alongside his latest tweet. I'll be disappointed if MowTenDoo (the only one I remotely care about in this shit, not a vtuber fan) actually did some shady shit but won't be surprised considering he scammed fans before with making a patreon and never releasing content afterwards.

They've been withholding funds since September at the earliest, and he only left the company in May. I find it absolutely impossible that he had no idea what was going on.

 

[Seared Strawberry]

I don’t like Froot; she has so many negative qualities and shitty actions, but for some reason this shit is always the center of discussion.

When you're a loser, your SMV (Sexual Market Value) is low.
Let me break it down for you in an autistic way so you can maybe comprehend:

If you have sympathy with these types of people or are one, you're going to have an inherent disgust to this sort of behavior.

Most of the people who take part of any internet culture outside of larger websites are losers or have been losers at some point in their life even if it was just, "peers" thinking they were low social value, and thusly making you so.

I am in fact a loser, I am using this website with my fellow losers and in this thread we have loser otaku weirdos that like non 3DPD, that's why.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I am 100% with you on this. This had been going on for YEARS from the sounds of it.
No innocent parties with the upper echelon. You'd know.
What needs to happen now is the government needs to step in and begin an investigation of what happened with the money.
This shit feels like embezzlement.

It's going to be. Make no mistake, Vshojo is fucking dead. It's going to be liquidated, down to the coffee pots in the corpo offices. They are going to have their assholes examined by the IRS and the courts, who generally arent happy when companies implode, because no more tax revenue