I don't want to derail the thread any harder than I already did oops. But this is kinda what I mean. All humans are fucking gross regardless of gender. I just see people look at the faggot/incel lie of fishy fanny shit and overcorrect to a level of bullshit that isn't much better. The whole idea that 'women smell of perfume and roses 24/7' is just as bullshit as saying all women smell like a fish market. I just hate the overcorrecting more than the original lie most of the time.
I am specifically talking about not straight after a shower, I am talking about real life experiences, what a random woman off the street would be like if you could somehow stick your nose in her crotch and not have your balls crushed into a paste instantly. No idealised just after a shower and no demonised uti level shit as a standard. Just normal women in the real world living normal lives. I am also not talking about specifically vaginas, I am talking about women as a whole, their entire body, same for men too. Their entire body for the entirety of their life. Not a specific body part in a specific situation.
Yes, some women do stink and don't take care of themselves. Yes, some women do have vaginal infections that stink. Yes, some women's vaginas probably smell gently pleasant after a shower. I am by no means saying that none of those ever happen. But simply that it is not a realistic expectation for that to be the case 24/7 in either way. And that pretending they will either all be disgusting fishy abominations, or expecting them to maintain frankly biologically impossible standards does nothing and will only ever leave men disgusted and/or virgins and will lead to women developing self image issues. You are in the tranny thread you know what happens to women with image issues: mutilation and sterilisation.
Expecting women to go through everything you described just on the off chance that there might be a man around to sniff her is just that level of retarded misogynistic porn brain logic, not that you are but that people who actually expect everyone to do that every day are. Expecting people to have basic hygiene is obviously good but expecting people to take mid day washes just to please the ideas of retarded coomers that have never had a relationship who can't fathom the idea of women smelling natural instead of like perfume is just dumb. Same goes for that interwomanal stuff too though. If it's something you actually want to do then fine, but I would be willing to bet that no one actually wants to have to carry around babywipes for a 3pm 'shower' in the office bathrooms. What I'm trying to say is that women don't reek like a leaking tin of fetid tuna but at the same time that doesn't make the opposite true. Instead of saying 'no, actually, women smell of flowers and perfume not fish', you should be saying that women smell like people, that sometimes it's fucking gross and you shouldn't expect every single woman to be a perfect barbie doll all the time but that they will normally just smell of almost nothing. That there's nothing wrong with nature and how your body will naturally smell of things that aren't perfect roses. That you do not need to obsess over constant hygiene to be loved. It's just the whole 'never had a proper girlfriend but here's how a relationship should be' type shit. Let people fucking smell not like roses 24/7, stop expecting perfection from literally half the population simply because you think that women are this magical separate creature that is completely different to men when we are the exact fucking same thing in the grand scheme of things. Stop expecting women to be ready for a fucking TSA pat down search but with someone's nose at every second of the day.
I just hate all the fucking sides to this argument. Women don't stink of fish. They don't naturally smell like princess sparkle dust either. Going full nigger bleaching chicken level talcum powder
in your vagina tier overdoing hygiene is retarded. Going full hyper feminist unshaven armpits with no deodorant is equally as retarded. Women are just men but instead of ball sweat it's boob sweat. They smell bad if they don't shower, they do gross shit like burping and farting
and that's all healthy and natural and expecting them to be perfect dolls all the time is probably contributing to them transitioning because they think men can just all be disgusting slobs and no one questions it. Or at the very least that sort of expectation leads women to shoving talcum powder inside their vagina and now there's a class action lawsuit against j&j because it gave them ovarian cancer.
Women's body odour is generally perceived as weaker and less unpleasant than men's (preference wise, homosexual men are outliers in that a study found they prefer odours of other homosexual men, I'll link the lit review that mentions it further down). P
ossible reasons include higher axillary secretions and greater presence of sweat degrading skin bacteria in men.
I'll put this at the top because I think it's the most important part. Yes normal vaginas will probably be gently scented and that's normal. However for the vast majority of the time if you smell a woman's crotch you will not be smelling that vaginal discharge smell, you will be smelling sweat and that sort of slightly gross stuffy smell that's probably from that discharge oxidizing or whatever or from urine. The vagina smelling neutral to slightly pleasant is good. But that is simply not how almost all women will be at the current moment. I think at the crux of it you have simply not seen the same things as me. I don't disagree with you and also I don't think you disagree with me either, I am not talking
at you despite the reply. I am talking about the third parties I have seen perpetrate both sides of the myth of vaginas smelling of fish or fruit. People that have preconceived notions about what sex and women should be like through things like those myths and have fucked over their sex life because of it. That they will either be disgusting troglodytic creatures or divine beings dripping the elixir of life from their vagina. I am not saying that you are intentionally spreading that myth, but that you are inadvertently feeding in to people that already believe it.
What I'm saying is that yes, women do smell differently. But they still smell of
something and that something isn't naturally sunshine and marshmallows. Yes women's bodies do differ from men's but that at the end of the day for almost every single person on the planet right now their genitals and crotch will not smell any form of nice even if their sweat does smell slightly nicer than someone else's. Cocks will smell of musky sweat, vaginas will smell of sweat and idk vagina idk the word. I guess wusky? Woman musky?
I'm saying that your original 'Healthy vaginas don't smell [bad] ... a subtle, non offensive, apothecary like smell' statement might be true for a vagina in isolation shortly after a shower but that that is not a healthy nor realistic expectation for someone to have of every single woman at every moment in her life. And that you are going into overcorrection territory which is just as bad as the original lie of all women smelling disgusting. At this very moment I am aware that my crotch probably smells like musty sweat, same for my gf. I would not go and sniff her crotch right now and if I did I would not expect anything better than a neutral smell. But even then I still love her and even if she doesn't smell perfectly I would probably still have sex if she wanted.
I'm also not saying that men don't tend to fucking stink harder than women do on average. Personally I think the vast majority of that is caused by men doing more physical labour than women. I'm sure there's some underlying genetic shit but just in general the work that men do normally involves sweating harder and thus you smell worse, alongside the shit you get all over yourself that in and of itself smells bad. But even then that for most people a strong smell of sweat is still not the worst thing and in certain cases having a strong smell of sweat is still healthy and normal and not something you should get anal about.
I just think that this idea of 'the entirety of a woman
should smell good at all times' is fucking retarded and sets young people up for unreasonable expectations and will leave them wholly unprepared for what a relationship actually involves. If you're dating someone then you will simply have to deal with the fact that sometimes they will smell bad and that most of the time they will at best smell neutral. They will come home after work and probably smell bad, their feet will stink, so will their shit, that's just part of life. That unless they have just taken a shower that their crotch will probably not smell good regardless of their sex. I hate overcorrection, I don't want to have to pick between one extreme or another, I want to pick the fucking rational middle that says women are not dolls with prince andrew's inability to sweat and a glade motion detector shoved in their pussy.
Not to be gross or anything you're not only correct but... some of us like a little stank. Islam rate me if you must but (while I'm not into pee or poo) a partner's fragrance can be part of the charm/experience. Not like day's old mangy sweat or anything but you ever rub up on someone you like who just got back from a quick run? It's a thing.
Oh shit. I just looked at your name. OK I think you may be on board with this.
I mean yea, that's normal. Liking how your partner smells is just normal and healthy. There's a reason why women stealing their boyfriends clothes to smell is a meme. Smelling of
something is not only healthy and natural but part of being in a relationship. That it's important to allow yourself to relax around someone who is meant to be your partner and that you don't need to keep a can of lynx africa by your side incase she comes within 3ft of you. Or a bar of soap if you're going to kiss, or a tube of toothpaste to wash your armpits with? It is gross. Talking about your body odor and sexual preferences is gross. But that's ok. There's fucking nothing wrong with being gross as long as you're not offensive about it, ie not showering at all in public or loudly talking about how much the smell of your bf's smegma phimosis turns you on in public. Sex is gross. Intimacy is gross. The workings of your body are gross. Relationships are gross. Fucking everything is gross and we should stop acting as if we should be above such disgusting things like the incredibly biologically important and normal process of sweating. I'm just sick of people that clearly have never had sex preaching about how it should be clean and that sort of stuff when it really fucking shouldn't. If it isn't sweaty and disgusting your partner will probably spend that afterglow period looking at vibrator stores. Loads of people say that vaginal discharge is unhealthy and all that shit too, stuff that has caused once again fucking ovarian cancer because of the way people overreacted to it. Loads of men, even straight guys that should know better you hear talk about how there must have been something wrong with the woman when it's just perfectly natural. Wash your vagina or foreskin, that's about as deep as it should be. No societal expectations for constant perfection or shaming people for what they cannot control nor should control. Same with sweat, a slight smell of sweat is normal and healthy, and as you say sometimes attractive.
Vaginas don't smell of fish, nor do they smell of fruit. In absolute isolation after a shower maybe they are mildly fruity or medically, that is simply not something you can expect from the real world though. For the vast majority of the time they have a mild smell of sweat and that other smell idk how to describe, both of which are healthy and normal. They do not smell good, that does not mean they should smell bad and visa versa. You should not expect anything more or less than neutral to slightly bad smells from someone who has not recently taken a shower. If you do expect that then you are not ready for a relationship and should stop spending all your time on reddit or feminist circlejerk sites.
Take a shower in the morning/evening. Properly clean the folds of your skin, be it fat folds, armpits, boobs, balls, vagina or foreskin. Wash your clothes. Use deodorant and/or antiperspirant. Shower before sex. That is it. You do not need to do more nor should you.
I will powerlevel slightly because I mean fucking look at this post already, if you're reading this part you don't give a shit. I am saying this because I used to be incredibly paranoid about this sort of stuff. I would go and see my ex and I would spend more time worrying about if I smelt good or not than actually enjoying the time with the person that I loved at the time. I would be fucking sat there and have a can of deodorant in my pocket ffs. I would spend all that time and energy worrying about something that ultimately was not real nor did it even matter anyway. And now I'll get home and it's completely different. Yea my gf might say I stink but I know that it doesn't fucking matter because at the end of the day I can just take a shower, that yea I might come home and stink of horse shit but she won't care because she loves me, ok yea she's not sniffing me like I'm a key in a hollywood bathroom but still. Or she's a typical white women a bit too into being a horse girl idk yet. So many people spend their lives worrying about such inane fucking bullshit that no one actually cares about but they've psyopped themselves into caring about and think that visibly sweating is as bad as shitting yourself. You should feel comfortable enough to be gross and smell kinda bad around your partner, there's a reason that women joke about being comfortable enough to fart around a guy is a sign that you should marry him. I also hate the whole 'sweating is disgusting' thing just in general, sweating is good, you should sweat. There is a frankly fucking insane number of people who talk about someone sweating as if it was the most disgusting thing possible. I'd hear a decent amount in college where people would be disgusted by someone being sweaty when they just got out the gym as if that isn't the fucking point of a gym. Sweating is a visible sign of hard work, shaming people for that is just retarded. Especially with fat people, seeing people laughing at some fat guy in a gym or on tv and calling them disgusting and sweaty is honestly the more disgusting thing considering they are actively trying to better themselves. I know it's like unrelated but is being off topic in an already incredibly off topic post that bad? I just hate the hatred of sweat. Signed a blue collar worker.
I’m flummoxed by the idea of a guy named “femboy fart huffer” being so averse to gay sex.
And I'm flummoxed by the idea that rain can use an internet site despite being water and should be short circuiting the keyboard or phone. I've had anal sex, it is just objectively grosser than vaginal sex. Vaginas are not full of shit. Gay sex is just gross. Being gross shouldn't stop you doing or enjoying something but denying that it's gross just makes you delusional.
It's the same as transgenders. I don't hate these things because I am speaking from a place of inexperience and just going on my own predetermined bias and what someone else told me. I am saying these things from a place of experience. I have had gay sex, that's why I
know how gross it is. I'm not saying it's gross for no reason. Go on, I fucking dare you, ask me about that brown towel in the back of the bed side chest of drawers. And I do not hate transgenders because I don't understand them like they all love to say, I hate them because I
do understand them, very, very, well, and that is a much more solid footing for an opinion.
I'm fucking tired though, I'm off to go sniff my gf's sweaty armpits or whatever the fuck I was on about.
