Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

In the time honored tradition of making fun of siggers, I present this.

 

[Alcoholism]

For some reason Beretta didn't want to mangle the M9s into a striker fired.

Their striker fired line has a pretty mediocre trigger.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Oh good, SIG is using the "I HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME" Lowtax argument. That's sure to end well.

 

[56 others]

Boy do I love the 92FS.
Vetkiwis, is it true that basically no maintainence was done on the M9s?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

is it true that basically no maintainence was done on the M9s?

Depending on who you ask, negative maintenance was done by way of thorough abuse and neglect but they still worked.

 

[likeacrackado]

The P320 debacle reminds me about a gun store/range I visited while on a trip a few years back. They had a tier list for handguns on rental. Bottom of the list the Taurus, Bersa, etc; middle S&W, Ruger, Glock; top... Sig Sauer. I wonder how they're feeling now.

I actually saw that and totally forgot. Still, someone should make a PCC that takes double colt mags or something, just for fun.

SigSissies...

This guy Roland (who apparently isn't just some guy as he has some level of industry connections based on his interactions with the Weapon Outfitters Account and I think one or two others) apparently went to some Private Sig event recently and had this to say about it It might have been Ben Stoeger himself had this to say about a private Sig event. Whoever posted it they deleted it off Instagram and Roland posted it to X

I'd be surprised if Ben got invited to a recent Sig Sauer event, but he may have reposted it, probably connected to his account getting nuked. Here's a link to the thread for my fellow non-X users: https://nitter.tiekoetter.com/rolandpew1230/status/1949137481578012750

Spoiler: Roland Xeets

In searching for it I came across a lot of Indians asshurt about about being associated with the 320

Spoiler: Angry Pajeets

 

[Basement Dwelling Dork]

Seems like Sig's problems are contagious, spreading to Barrett.
"This seems to be a problem with a decent amount of the relatively new Barrett Mk22 military multi-cal sniper rifles. What's happening? *in most cases* the user pulls the trigger but doesn't get a bang. Instead, the rifles fire when the bolt is manipulated. It seems to be a different than the issue with Remington 700s that fire on their own but it also seems like a easier problem to fix but I suppose time will tell..."
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Man, Sig's automatic pistols and now automatic bolt sniper rifles. Is this what people back then envisioned what the future of warfare would be like?

 

[Internet-Based Lobotomy]

Looks like the gun is running fine to me, it's the dogshit drum-mags not feeding that's the problem.

Hard to say, that one might be, but that back of the truck liquor run ambush from Burma I think has two guys jam within moments of opening fire on their suspiciously unarmed looking enemies. The camera man's gun locks back and another guy in the front of the truck's gun jams up before they all dismounted. I'm not sure how they do it but they manage to jam AKs real nice in that neck of the woods.

Seems like Sig's problems are contagious, spreading to Barrett.

Curious bunch of issues cropping up. I wonder if Barrett has outsourced anything or if this is a 100% American made fuck up.

 

[MG-34]

Boy do I love the 92FS.
Vetkiwis, is it true that basically no maintainence was done on the M9s?

There was unit level maintainence done which was minor repair work such as replacing the recoil spring after several dozen years of use as it would compress over time. I have a buddy that was a 91F for several years and says it was the least of his worries when maintaining guns. I owned a M29FS for over 20 years and never had problems with it. The M9A4 should have been the next pistol. Apparently the M17 is so crappy they had to adopt a new non standard pistol round only used on the Sig P320 series pistols so now the logistics trail is longer as that round cannot be used on other 9mm handguns or SMGs chambered in 9x19 like the MP5K or APC9K.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

There was unit level maintainence done which was minor repair work such as replacing the recoil spring after several dozen years of use as it would compress over time. I have a buddy that was a 91F for several years and says it was the least of his worries when maintaining guns. I owned a M29FS for over 20 years and never had problems with it. The M9A4 should have been the next pistol. Apparently the M17 is so crappy they had to adopt a new non standard pistol round only used on the Sig P320 series pistols so now the logistics trail is longer as that round cannot be used on other 9mm handguns or SMGs chambered in 9x19 like the MP5K or APC9K.

They decided they wanted a new round that was lighter and faster. They went from a 124gr round nose at 1250 fps to a 115gr flat nose at 1320fps. The old round is right at the edge of 9mm pressures while the new round operates at +P pressures when shot in a commercial test barrel. This should have no effect as Sig claims the M18 can handle +P pressures.

As a side note MIL-STD pressure and velocity are not the same as commercial pressure. SAAMI controls commercial testing procedures and tests using a different method than the military. This is where some of the confusion comes from about 9mm NATO being hotter then normal 9mm

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Local Anon and his experience with the P320

 

[big pauper]

Negligent discharges are a perfectly normal part of gun ownership

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Seems like Sig's problems are contagious, spreading to Barrett.
"This seems to be a problem with a decent amount of the relatively new Barrett Mk22 military multi-cal sniper rifles. What's happening? *in most cases* the user pulls the trigger but doesn't get a bang. Instead, the rifles fire when the bolt is manipulated. It seems to be a different than the issue with Remington 700s that fire on their own but it also seems like a easier problem to fix but I suppose time will tell..."
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my remington does this!

except it's 80 years old and has had god knows how many rounds down the pipe. A new gun should never do this.

my god, QC is non-existent these days.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

They decided they wanted a new round that was lighter and faster. They went from a 124gr round nose at 1250 fps to a 115gr flat nose at 1320fps. The old round is right at the edge of 9mm pressures while the new round operates at +P pressures when shot in a commercial test barrel. This should have no effect as Sig claims the M18 can handle +P pressures.

As a side note MIL-STD pressure and velocity are not the same as commercial pressure. SAAMI controls commercial testing procedures and tests using a different method than the military. This is where some of the confusion comes from about 9mm NATO being hotter then normal 9mm

I completely forgot that they tinkered with their ammunition, but I guess it makes sense since commercial M17/M18 sales include a separate recoil spring for standard 124gr to complement the new milspec spring.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Man, Sig's automatic pistols and now automatic bolt sniper rifles. Is this what people back then envisioned what the future of warfare would be like?

What you're looking at is.... ADVANCED WARFARE*

SPONSORED BY SIG

 

[Romulus augustulus]

It's genuinely amazing to me how they're choosing to double down into hopefully bankruptcy at this point. The police are wrong and irrelevant, the gun buying public is wrong and irrelevant, only the military matters. When the military does dump the P320 (and this is a question of when, not if at this point) who actually is going to matter at that point? The people who unironically got Legion tattoos?

they are following in Colt's footsteps. During the GWOT Colt nearly cut all civilian products and focused on the M4. And they went bankrupt for it.

now, under better leadership they are back to expanding their civilian sales with 1911's, revolvers etc.

Oh good, SIG is using the "I HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME" Lowtax argument. That's sure to end well.
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[Club Sandwich]

Vetkiwis, is it true that basically no maintainence was done on the M9s?

in my experience, there was typical PMCS (field cleaning), but the locking blocks and barrels were generally only inspected and swapped when there was a performance problem and recoil springs were swapped when they hit round counts (about 10k rounds). and often the swap wasn't correct (they'd change the barrel or locking block instead of both together or fitting the block to the barrel). more maintenance was done to refresh tritium inserts and swap magazines than anything in the decades they were in service.

only problem i ever had with an M9 was being awkward to put a light on it and the stupid phosphated Checkmate mags.

 

[King Of The Kiwis]

I heard that if you’re a first time gun owner you shouldn’t get mods like red dot sights and should just shoot with iron sights so you don’t become dependent, Is this bullshit

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

I heard that if you’re a first time gun owner you shouldn’t get mods like red dot sights and should just shoot with iron sights so you don’t become dependent, Is this bullshit

Bullshit? Nah, Fudd lore. But important Fudd lore.

Your gun'll always have irons. You might not have remembered to change the battery in your Red dot, or you might have dropped it and cracked it, etc....

It's important to understand the basics of gunmanship. If your ass is on the line and the only thing in reach has irons, you don't wanna fiddle fart with trying to figure them out.

Sort of like a motorcycle. You COULD jump right on one. But you'd be a lot better served using it if you've ridden a regular bike before.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I heard that if you’re a first time gun owner you shouldn’t get mods like red dot sights and should just shoot with iron sights so you don’t become dependent, Is this bullshit

It’s bullshit.