“DO YOU THINK I ENJOYED MY SIX DAY HOSPITAL STAY?!?!?!?!”
Yes, very much. You loved every second of it, every nurse waiting on you hand and foot, every visible toy, and every asspat you’ve gotten since for being the world’s most speshul sickest warrior zebra. If she had a dick, she’d have to see a doctor at this point for an erection lasting longer than four hours since she’s clearly getting off on all this. But sure, tell everyone how much you hate it and how badly you’re suffering.
@Polychromos the records are at the top on the right, in a weird rectangular box. The only brainrot sites I use are KF and reddit, so it was retarded to navigate TikTok.
It just confirms that her condishuns are blown out of proportion and how OTT she is. It's basically her posting over and over proving that a doctor entered the diagnostic codes for seizures, long covid, etc.
Her EEG conclusion was "abnormal EEG showing intermittent generalized discharges." Notice they did not call the waves epileptiform. It's interesting that her seizures are explicitly "partial" per her doctor's words, yet her videos show full-body tonic-clonic movement. This is not associated with simple partial seizures. (Sorry Han, wrong diagnostic codes for what you're claiming )
"Babe, next time I have a seizure, film it for TikTok okay? Don't call anyone."
She has cardiac tests and notes that are legit, but again, she does not show the full pages or clinical conclusions. One page notes that despite her terrible symptoms, she canceled her scheduled autonomic reflex test (ARS testing)
She intentionally covers up a lot of the clinician's notes with her hands. She does not show full pages, only close-ups of what she selects or half the page so you cannot see the actual medical notes. Definitely not the marks of a munchie malingerer.
This isn't all of them, but it shows how clearly transparent she is with her records!!!
I noticed there are more a-loggers in her twitter replies than before. Don't be a fucking faggot who touches poo, we're here to laugh as this cow tips herself.
I’ve never seen a munchie present with convincing OCD. Actually Ive never seen one who understands how OCD actually presents at all.
Question for the mental health pros: are there any programs for munchies? There doesn’t seem to be anything. How do you deal with the primary disorder, the munching, in these patients? It’s seems looking in from the outside that it’s just dealing with the faked stuff and never really getting to the root of it. Do you ever get to actually slap the right label on them and treat them?
It just confirms that her condishuns are blown out of proportion and how OTT she is. It's basically her posting over and over proving that a doctor entered the diagnostic codes for seizures, long covid, etc.
She doesn’t seem to understand how notes work. They list everything that you claim to present with. So, if I walked into an ED today and complained of a broken hand and a heart attack they would list those under problems and the notes would summarize the tests / history and then conclude that there is no medical evidence for either of these “problems”.
I’ve never seen a munchie present with convincing OCD. Actually Ive never seen one who understands how OCD actually presents at all.
Question for the mental health pros: are there any programs for munchies? There doesn’t seem to be anything. How do you deal with the primary disorder, the munching, in these patients? It’s seems looking in from the outside that it’s just dealing with the faked stuff and never really getting to the root of it. Do you ever get to actually slap the right label on them and treat them?
I’ve never seen a munchie present with convincing OCD. Actually Ive never seen one who understands how OCD actually presents at all.
Question for the mental health pros: are there any programs for munchies? There doesn’t seem to be anything. How do you deal with the primary disorder, the munching, in these patients? It’s seems looking in from the outside that it’s just dealing with the faked stuff and never really getting to the root of it. Do you ever get to actually slap the right label on them and treat them?
I've never seen any such program. It would be a disaster to silo all these people in group therapy with each other. They usually do have other disorders as well, that are more likely the presenting problem in a psych context.
I think that would show slowed waves, not the spikes that may be on her records (since the notes are cut off). That said, there are other ways to make an EEG have some mild abnormal activity. (Not gonna go into detail since the munchies admit they read here.) It's interesting that she didn't respond to the flashing lights. The records is cut off but they often will have a part where they flash lights at you to see if that induces abnormal activity (extremely common way to induce seizures in epileptics)
I think she's just blowing some mild findings way out of proportion, and just leaned into "IT'S ABNORMAL SO I HAVE EPILEPSY."
Boy I feel bad for the doctors who treat these people.
It would be like putting all the anorexics together on the psych ward, they see who can get away with eating the least at mealtimes, etc. I can't even imagine what a munchie one-up-off would look like. It would be hilarious, but also no medical professional is paid enough to deal with that shit.
Individual therapy where they are extremely open and self-reflective is the only way. I think Mayo Clinic has programs they require patients to complete after certain diagnoses. Basically it teaches you how to not "identify" as your illness, and how to not obsess over your health because that makes it 1000x worse, and yes, sometimes it is just in your head. Especially neuro and GI symptoms, posting on social media all day every day about being the sickest uwu baby is a good way to make symptoms worse.
But candid self-reflection is not part of the munchie personality. Not part of the BPD personality either, though if they are willing to be extremely forthright and accountable, programs like intensive outpatient or partial hospitalization (you go to the program all day but go home at night) do have good rates of recovery for them. It comes down to the person and if they want to recover
Speaking of, here's Han on how oppressed BPDers are. Because everyone needs everything represented in media.
"I take my emotions out on myself, not others." Self-injury to manipulate or get sympathy from others is classic BPD handbook behavior.
Question for the mental health pros: are there any programs for munchies? There doesn’t seem to be anything. How do you deal with the primary disorder, the munching, in these patients? It’s seems looking in from the outside that it’s just dealing with the faked stuff and never really getting to the root of it. Do you ever get to actually slap the right label on them and treat them?
Early in this thread - maybe in the first couple of hundred pages? - there was a poster who claimed to have been treated for factitious disorder. She was caught by doctors using OTC medications to produce symptoms and confronted, and (she said) went into CBT therapy and had a contract with her parents and her therapists not to continue the behavior. It seemed a lot more plausible than the usual powerleveling about 11/10 pain and for-real fibromyalgia, POTS, mast activation syndrome, and citric acid allergies, but of course it's not confirmable.
I still haven't read Dr. Feldman's books about factitious disorders - could anyone who has talk about what he recommends?
You might find this podcast episode about a mental health program for psychosomatic illness interesting.
On the 4x a day 25mg lamotrigine - that smells like a titration or taper she was fucking with. I can easily see why a doctor wouldn't want to sign off on another lamotrigine prescription with no idea whether she'll randomly take 5x the dose or skip doses and end up with SJS or withdrawal seizures.
Yeah I've noticed a lot of her "POTS" injuries are very clearly self harm. You've found a really good one! I really like the ones that are very bad at faking. I guess she does have the weird EEG, but does that have to be either epilepsy, or her faking, like is there a third option? Could fucking with your meds cause this?
You might find this podcast episode about a mental health program for psychosomatic illness interesting.
On the 4x a day 25mg lamotrigine - that smells like a titration or taper she was fucking with. I can easily see why a doctor wouldn't want to sign off on another lamotrigine prescription with no idea whether she'll randomly take 5x the dose or skip doses and end up with SJS or withdrawal seizures.
Yeah, I just looked up lamotrigine and I'm a bit horrified. I get that all seizure medication has it's downsides, but how is she confused by doctors not giving it to her, while openly admitting not being able to always take her meds...
My conspiracy: She conned her GP into prescribing it, but they tapered her off. Then she conned the neuro to prescribe it without telling the GP. Because the GP should still know all her prescribed meds, right?
Early in this thread - maybe in the first couple of hundred pages? - there was a poster who claimed to have been treated for factitious disorder. She was caught by doctors using OTC medications to produce symptoms and confronted, and (she said) went into CBT therapy and had a contract with her parents and her therapists not to continue the behavior. It seemed a lot more plausible than the usual powerleveling about 11/10 pain and for-real fibromyalgia, POTS, mast activation syndrome, and citric acid allergies, but of course it's not confirmable.
I still haven't read Dr. Feldman's books about factitious disorders - could anyone who has talk about what he recommends?
I'm pretty sure he used to have a podcast, you might want to check that out.
If I remember correctly, his treatment involves, well, essentially having loved ones shame the sufferer to make them confront reality. Like "no, Jessica, you don't have a chronic illness, stop making a scene" Eventually the munchie stops pretending, since ultimately they're just looking for attention.
It's easily one of the most if not the most mild drugs in the anticonvulsant class. It's a go-to for pregnant women. It's the titration that's tedious, and re-titrating if someone has too many missed doses in a row. But most neurologists and psychiatrists (as it is also used a mood stabilizer) will never see a lamotrigine SJS in their career. A lot of benign rashes, a few worrisome ones that result in throwing in the towel and trying another med. But overall, it is very well-tolerated. Doesn't seem to have the cognitive side effects common with other anticonvulsants. No apparent teratogenic effects. Doesn't seem to have the same extreme cosmetic effects or hormonal issues of something like valproate. No end organ damage. All told, one of the better ones if you can get away with it.
So overall even if you know someone’s munching you’re still stuck treating the things they’re inducing, rather than the root cause? That makes me wonder about how common it actually is - it’s always labelled as a rare illness but there seem to be loads of them and if none if them are actually getting that diagnosis, it seems rarer.
Is there an element of the way they treat BPD, like they don’t slap you with that label as you’ll flounce, they just say cptsd and try to keep you in therapy?
They are really fascinating - I will check out the podcast when I have time
The problem with diagnosing someone with munchausen's is, particularly in a litigious country, what if you're wrong? 99% of doctors probably wouldn't want to put themselves in the way of that. Also raises problems if an actual emergency arises for a munchie. They get a massive rush from it, and you have to watch them like a fucking hawk and play perfectly clinical, just so they don't fall right back into self-sabotage to get your attention.
I do vaguely remember a kid on tiktok (I'm not going to go looking, because I remember her being in her early teens, if she's not and you know of her, please do correct me) who claimed to be "in recovery" from munchausen's, but was just doing the same shit. Searching for Internet validation but with the munchausen's label instead of EDS/GP/MCAS. Which is better for physical wellbeing, but I can't see it being sustainable.
I think it's really fucking hard for people with genuine munchausen's (and not twat on the Internet disorder, as some of our subjects seem to have have) to recover, because their brains are so wired to NEED that attention. Someone with more of a background in psych can correct me (please), but isn't genuine munchausen's often linked to trauma? A lack of affection from a support system replaced by an easy source- concerned medical professionals.
Take this with a huge helping of salt, but I recently got the chance to have this exact conversation with someone who is licensed and has been practicing in the psych field for a long time. I'm paraphrasing, but from what I remember, treating Factitious Disorder is similar in difficulty to treating most Cluster B personality disorders and especially BPD. The conditions have considerable overlap in symptoms and treatment, Dr. Feldman explained that the majority of cases of munchausen or Factitious Disorder also had a personality disorder present, and unfortunately a lot of it is down to the person experiencing it needing to truly want to get better. They're not lost causes or anything, but it's very challenging.
The person I spoke to explained to me that clinically you cannot entertain the lies or exaggerations, this is a breach of boundaries that are important between counselor and client. The lies have to be addressed when they come up, and it's not an argument but just for clarification. Apparently you have to be on your toes and really careful about that. So instead of focusing on claimed symptoms and constantly challenging them, you have to cut through the bullshit to get to the core of the munching. This is hard because most of these people also lie about their background, but you can see through it and get to the truth. It just sounds completely exhausting and draining.
There are very few psychologists or psychiatrists who specialize in treating Factitious Disorder, so it doesn't seem like there is a very clear guideline to follow for treating it yet, but thankfully there's plenty of research and study that's ongoing and people are much more aware of it now than they used to be.
The problem with diagnosing someone with munchausen's is, particularly in a litigious country, what if you're wrong? 99% of doctors probably wouldn't want to put themselves in the way of that. Also raises problems if an actual emergency arises for a munchie. They get a massive rush from it, and you have to watch them like a fucking hawk and play perfectly clinical, just so they don't fall right back into self-sabotage to get your attention.
I do vaguely remember a kid on tiktok (I'm not going to go looking, because I remember her being in her early teens, if she's not and you know of her, please do correct me) who claimed to be "in recovery" from munchausen's, but was just doing the same shit. Searching for Internet validation but with the munchausen's label instead of EDS/GP/MCAS. Which is better for physical wellbeing, but I can't see it being sustainable.
I think it's really fucking hard for people with genuine munchausen's (and not twat on the Internet disorder, as some of our subjects seem to have have) to recover, because their brains are so wired to NEED that attention. Someone with more of a background in psych can correct me (please), but isn't genuine munchausen's often linked to trauma? A lack of affection from a support system replaced by an easy source- concerned medical professionals.
I'm not a psych but I've read a couple of books on the subject, and yes, munching is usually correlated with difficult childhoods of one kind or another, much like the Cluster B personality disorders that is usually co-morbid with. From what I've seen here, Internet munching specifically (including the really hardcore cases like Kelly Ronahan) seems to commonly correlate to either a close relative (often a sibling) being genuinely sick during their childhood and getting loads of attention and sympathy, leading to munching out of jealousy and being taught that the only way to get attention and love is from being sick, or a flame-out in some kind of performing art (modelling, dancing, music, acting), something that causes them to need an audience and to have emotional influence over other people. It seems to me that munching is a maladaptive way of confusing attention with affection, either through being starved of attention as a child (through neglect, abuse or another family member monopolising it) or by having attention and adoration and then having it withdrawn when they don't end up being a supermodel or prima ballerina. They're all girls (and occasionally men, see Andy Ditch) who have learned that attention = love and that they need the eyes of an adoring family and public to feel special.
I do vaguely remember a kid on tiktok (I'm not going to go looking, because I remember her being in her early teens, if she's not and you know of her, please do correct me) who claimed to be "in recovery" from munchausen's, but was just doing the same shit. Searching for Internet validation but with the munchausen's label instead of EDS/GP/MCMCAS.
Diary of a Munchie Kid?
If I remember correctly, she also claimed to have genuinely diagnosed Anklyosing Spondylitis so maybe a kid who is looking to keep the attention she got when undiagnosed?
I remember her seeming as though she was just munching in a new way...
catching up on the thread so I'm a few pages behind, but this bitch went to the Jill Rodrigues School of Comma Placement or something. Excruciating comma abuse.
I haven't been this entertained by a munchie since that middle eastern gal with the steroid face and insane eyebrows that used to cry in all her videos. Victoria? I can't believe I can't remember her name. Anyway great find @huge boobs
a close relative (often a sibling) being genuinely sick during their childhood and getting loads of attention and sympathy, leading to munching out of jealousy and being taught that the only way to get attention and love is from being sick
This was something brought up in the book Dying To Be Ill as well, but also in reference to Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another (or medical abuse, or munchausen by proxy.) For instance, most of the mothers who went on to medically abuse their children had, at one point, a legitimately medically fragile baby. Usually born premature or with some other (relatively) minor health concerns that required an extended hospital stay or bringing the baby home with medical equipment. The attention and validation the mothers felt for "being brave" and caring for a sick child was often something they hadn't experienced before. Once the child recovers, the mother begins to feel ignored, overlooked, and unloved again. So she makes the child sick, or manipulates the child into feigning sickness, because it's the only way she has ever gotten that love and validation. It's so sickening and almost unbelievable to read about, honestly. (Highly recommend that book if you're interested, but it is dark.)
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