Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Boney]

A red dot will not prevent you from shooting low and to the left. Training out that bad habit is the exact same with a red dot as it is with irons.

It will help you not shoot low and left because dryfire feedback is instant and more clear. Like one of those laser training aid but less goofy and actually useful to have in your life.

Full size = barrel is longer than 4.25 inches on a semi auto

Yeah, sounds about right, but can you get weird about it past that. G45, G49, DPD Compact, and 92GTS are there to throw a wrench in that classification. All are marketed as compact guns and I think all more or less fit the nomer of compact.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I personally like

I’m thinking about getting either the Glock or Smith and Wessen m and p for my first gun. Which gun do you guys prefer any pros and cons for both. Also should I get it in polymer or metal

the way the M&P feels in hand. Plus you can get it in a polymer frame or an aluminum frame.

Frame is the same apart from weight as.the aluminum one has textured panels the same as the polymer version.

Plus the M&Ps all have options with a nice manual safety.

Get hands on with both and the Glock.

 

[Boney]

I’m thinking about getting either the Glock or Smith and Wessen m and p for my first gun. Which gun do you guys prefer any pros and cons for both. Also should I get it in polymer or metal

Buy the Glock. Trigger pull is a skill issue.

M&P has fucking rollpins in it for Christ's sake.

Buy every gun with intent to shoot the hell out if it and desire for it to last forever. Once you've got your bases covered you can branch out for interesting, boutique, and fun.

 

[Foltest]

I did some target practice with my hunting rifle last week.
First tried it with the training ammo (FMJ) and then with hunting ammo.
After some adjustment to the sight, I am very pleased with it.

 

[Boney]

I've been talking a lot of Glock on here lately. I want to assure all of you my thoughts on rifles are equally as boring and indisputably correct.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I've been talking a lot of Glock on here lately. I want to assure all of you my thoughts on rifles are equally as boring and indisputably correct.

Sigh, BCM or DD, right?

Or PWS or LMT if you want a piston AR?

 

[Boney]

Sigh, BCM or DD, right?

Or PWS or LMT if you want a piston AR?

Stay away from pistons unless you are putting in the insane amount of work for a real 416. SCAR is probably the way to go for maximizing the benefits of a piston rifle.

BCM and DD indeed are great. Typically I use FN as a baseline or guide for pricepoint and features. I know Colt has some doo-doo in their pants right now (outsourced parts) but honestly I've never seen a pony gat go down, but I have seen plenty of visual blems on them.

 

[Polock]

I’m thinking about getting either the Glock or Smith and Wessen m and p for my first gun. Which gun do you guys prefer any pros and cons for both. Also should I get it in polymer or metal

I will give the advice I always give - if its possible try to go to a range with rentals (or make friends with a guy with a gun library) and try shooting them before you buy. Both are quite common and there's a good chance you'd be able to try them both out.

Glocks just work. They're boring but you really can't go wrong with them. They're a great standard to compare everything against.

I always prefer metal over polymer if there's an option, but again there's nothing really wrong with polymer I just prefer all metal. It also depends on what you're going to be using the gun for. Saving a few ounces for your conceal carry gun might matter to you. A couple additional ounces to help mitigate recoil for a gun you're going to be doing IDPA matches with might matter to you. That sort of minutiae is endlessly argued over.

Ultimately pick a gun that you're going to actually use for its intended purpose (EDC, range toy, SHTF, larping, whatever) because that's what matters the most. Guns that just sit on the shelf are kinda sad.

 

[Boney]

Guns that just sit on the shelf are kinda sad

Absolutely.

 

[Alcoholism]

I’m thinking about getting either the Glock or Smith and Wessen m and p for my first gun. Which gun do you guys prefer any pros and cons for both. Also should I get it in polymer or metal

Glock is always the right answer but you can't go wrong with either. But it's spelt Wesson.

But as recommended elsewhere, try as many guns as you can. You might find you prefer hammer fired over striker. Metal over poly. Etc.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Glock is always the right answer but you can't go wrong with either. But it's spelt Wesson.

But as recommended elsewhere, try as many guns as you can. You might find you prefer hammer fired over striker. Metal over poly. Etc.

Of course he'll prefer hammer fired over striker.

He's (probably) not gay.

 

[DEBIRU MAN]

I’m thinking about getting either the Glock or Smith and Wessen m and p for my first gun. Which gun do you guys prefer any pros and cons for both. Also should I get it in polymer or metal

If going for a Glock, look for a Glock 17 or 19 police trade. I've seen Glock 17 gen 4s for as low as $280 and they are great shooters. Glock 19 is a bit more expensive, but compact. Smith & Wesson M&Ps are great, but all of the great deals are for 40 cal, which is a bit much for a new shooter. Both are excellent choices though!

 

[societyguy01]

Stay away from pistons unless you are putting in the insane amount of work for a real 416. SCAR is probably the way to go for maximizing the benefits of a piston rifle.

BCM and DD indeed are great. Typically I use FN as a baseline or guide for pricepoint and features. I know Colt has some doo-doo in their pants right now (outsourced parts) but honestly I've never seen a pony gat go down, but I have seen plenty of visual blems on them.

Piston guns are typically on the heavier side in my experience but if you're going to have your gat be suppressed full time it's kind of a no brainer. 416s and LMTs are looked at quite often but LWRC's IC-A5 is something of a hidden gem in the piston AR world. LWRC makes a factory short stroke piston 12.7" AR Pistol with a cold hammer forged spiral fluted barrel on a monolithic shovelnose receiver with adjustable gas. It is one of the smoothest suppressed pieces I've ever shot in my entire life with only the APC coming close to it. We're talking meek 5.45 or .22 LR levels of felt recoil, it was gassed that perfect. While it isn't as popular as its competitors I did find out that Swedish police and special forces do indeed use LWRC as their main go to rifle, talk about patrician taste.

 

[Boney]

I'm much less concerened with felt recoil then I am proprietary parts and weight. If I'm adding ounces I wan't to get big gains. If I'm soft recoil maxing I'd use a tuned gas tube (an AR modification I will endorse) with a DI system and RTV mod to breath fresh air.

I see the absolute perfect use case for pistons as high volume of fire shooting + suppressor + in adverse conditions. If this describes the type of shooting you do or have ambitions for, the piston is king. And the most robust system is the 416. Not a knock on the others. Never fired a piston (other than the IAR/416) for more then a show and share session at the range.

LWRC makes excellent guns, their piston I think is a bit lighter which is nice, but the HK has more hours in testing and real use then probably all the competition combined.

 

[BikeLock]

The P320 being a piece of shit is slowly starting to creep into the normiesphere.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Other guntubers are testing their 320s:

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Gunosphere Lawyers weighing in:

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Lots of "I tested my 320 and it failed big sad", "I couldn't get mine to do it so the 320 is fine!", and the occasional "Wyoming is full of shit Sig should sue him!".

 

[King Of The Kiwis]

@Polock

Someone managed to demonstrate just how P320s go off.

(Sorry if the Sig updates are getting old and annoying)

It’s around 28:00 when he gets a success

can someone tell me how a company can make a design this shit and dangerous and not change it seems like a lawsuit. Also why the fuck would the us gov contract these retards instead of an American or at least not as shit as Sig

 

[Polock]

why the fuck would the us gov contract these retards instead of an American or at least not as shit as Sig

Short answer


Long answer
My understanding is that the gun was designed to be basically as cheap as possible to manufacture while fulfilling the government contract's requirements and then they undercut their competition by saying they'd sell the guns to the government essentially at cost or maybe making like $1 per gun sold. Also under the ATF's interpretation of 18 U.S. Code § 922(r), imported guns do have to have at least 51% American made parts so there's some protectionism involved in every gun sold here. I think.

can someone tell me how a company can make a design this shit and dangerous and not change it seems like a lawsuit.

They did try to change it - kinda. Within a few years they were discovering issues with the drop safety of the P320 and issued a mandatory safety recall voluntary upgrade program. To be fair to Sig, its not that the design is shit - I'm not an engineer but my understanding is that what they did was pretty clever - its that they went too far to cut costs and quality control is biting them in the ass and their margin of safety was just too tight to absorb the slop.

 

[NEETsamurai]

can someone tell me how a company can make a design this shit and dangerous and not change it seems like a lawsuit. Also why the fuck would the us gov contract these retards instead of an American or at least not as shit as Sig

To answer the first question, the CEO's a jew. To answer the second question, bribery. Allegedly, of course.

 

[SAR545]

@Polock

can someone tell me how a company can make a design this shit and dangerous and not change it seems like a lawsuit. Also why the fuck would the us gov contract these retards instead of an American or at least not as shit as Sig

Same reason why we opt'd for the M14 in 7.62x51 instead of adopting the FAL in .280 britbong. Someones hands got greased good.