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What a strange bit of phrasing. This is the kind of thing I'd expect from a child.
"How old are you?"
"I'll be ten next year!"
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Hi everyone, (this is not the same horrible review already on reddit about this place. Please share to any one you know thinking of going to Korea for these type of surgeries
I’m a Canadian transgender woman who traveled to Seoul for facial feminization surgery at AB Plastic Surgery. Instead of feminizing my features, they masculinized my face with implants I never consented to. I want to share the full truth so other trans people and medical tourists don’t go through what I did.
Here’s what happened:
Their actions are not just negligence — they show a clear pattern of deception, record tampering, and obstruction. For trans people, this clinic is especially dangerous.
- They repeatedly used “chin implant” and “jaw implant” interchangeably, they put in square jaw implants, which directly masculinized my face.
- They never clearly explained the facelift procedure or itemized what was being done. Even now, they refuse to answer my specific questions about what was actually performed.
- All of my consent forms were erased from their system. I was then forced to re‑sign new electronic forms without time to compare them to what I originally signed. When I asked for a staff statement confirming this, they refused.
- They admitted they hold 98 pages of my medical records but only offered them after weeks of delay, and they still won’t explain why they did what they did.
- I signed to allow CCTV of the surgery, but now they refuse to release a copy of it — citing “staff privacy.” They could blur staff faces, but they won’t. I believe it’s because the footage would show the truth: that I never consented to what they did.
- They even ignored my requests for the tax refund invoice and form that every foreign patient is entitled to.
I’ve submitted my case to Korean authorities, Global Affairs Canada, and human rights groups. But I’m posting here so the community knows: do not trust this clinic.
If they had nothing to hide, they wouldn’t be erasing consent forms, refusing to answer basic questions, and blocking access to the recording of my surgery.
Please be cautious — your safety and identity are worth more than the risks this place takes with your life.
Here is the email from this clinic where this is no mention of all the questions requested, they simply ignored and will not respond to any questions of the damage they did.
From: AB Plastic surgery
Date: 2025.07.29
Response to Your Request for CCTV Footage and Medical Documentation
Dear [My name],
We are writing in response to your request for the provision of medical records and CCTV footage from our hospital.
First, as you have previously provided written consent, you are permitted to view the CCTV footage in accordance with relevant laws.
However, regarding the provision (copying or release) of CCTV footage, we must inform you that it cannot be granted, as prior written consent from all medical staff appearing in the footage has not been obtained.
This position is in strict accordance with Article 21, Paragraph 3 of the Medical Services Act and relevant privacy protection regulations.
This principle is applied uniformly to all patients without exception, and our institution strictly adheres to these legal standards.
Accordingly, we emphasize once again that any repeated requests regarding this matter will be denied without exception.
In addition, regarding your request for additional materials such as pre- and post-operative photographs, surgical records, medical notes, implant documentation, and consent forms, please see the breakdown below:
Consent Forms: 30 pages
Pre-operative Photographs: 15 pages
Post-operative Photographs: 32 pages
Surgical Records, Medical Notes, Implant Documentation, etc.: 21 pages
Total: 98 pages
In accordance with Article 13-2 of the Enforcement Rule of the Medical Services Act, these materials are subject to a medical certificate issuance fee.
Under the official fee policy:
A base fee of 1,000 KRW applies to the first 1–5 pages
An additional 100 KRW per page applies to each page beyond the fifth
Thus, the total fee for 98 pages is calculated as follows:
1,000 KRW + (93 pages × 100 KRW) = 10,300 KRW
Please transfer the above amount to the designated hospital account.
Once payment has been confirmed, the requested materials will be sent to you via this email address.
※ If you require account details or payment instructions, please contact us separately.
Please note that our response to this matter, including the legal basis and actions taken, has been made under the direct guidance of our legal counsel.
Furthermore, any future issues raised by you concerning medical treatment or related disputes will likewise be addressed solely through legal channels and formal responses from our legal representative.
We explicitly state that we will not respond to any unofficial communications or repeated civil complaints outside this legal process.
Thank you for your understanding.
Sincerely,
[AB Plastic surgery ]
[Name of Director of International Patient Services]
[phone number / admin@abplasticsurgerykorea.com]
WhatsApp Log:
[2025-03-19, 7:33:22 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: Hello
[2025-03-19, 7:33:28 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: So sorry
[2025-03-19, 7:33:43 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: I ve been extremely busy today
[2025-03-19, 7:33:44 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2:
[2025-03-19, 7:33:49 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: However
[2025-03-19, 7:34:02 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: I checked with the doctor, and your case is not one that requires chin correction. Instead, your chin bone is too small, so the recommended approach is to add volume to the bone and proceed with lifting. That’s why the doctor suggested an implant yesterday.
[2025-03-19, 7:35:51 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: Currently, your chin **does not have any more space for adjustment**, so doctors at any clinic would say that **chin correction is not the issue**.
Therefore, the best option at this point would be to **enhance the chin with an implant** and proceed with a **lifting surgery**.
[2025-03-19, 8:28:35 PM] : Oh okay thank you so much for the detail lol. Should we do like some procedure first and then wait for swelling to go down and then proceed with the lift.
I arrived in Korea March 1st so my visa is until august. I don’t mind staying all this time if you think it’s better to do in 2 procedures.
I’m sorry for all the questions I had. I just like your clinic and the professionalism you showed so I would prefer to do everything with you.
Like maybe do the chin jaw nose stuff. Wait for swelling to go down and then do the second round. Unless you recommend all at once. Anyways I have a call with my bank to unlock the funds tonight(time zone Canada).
I’ll let you know when he money is deposited in my account and then we can do the transfer.
Ty for responding
[2025-03-19, 8:34:44 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: There is no need to separate the surgeries—**all procedures can be performed in a single session.**
#### ** Balanced Facial Proportions & Optimal Results**
- The chin, jawline, and nose are all interconnected and influence each other’s appearance.
- If procedures are done separately, residual swelling or structural changes may make it difficult to predict the final facial balance.
- Performing everything at once **ensures an optimal design and the best overall harmony from the start.**
[2025-04-02, 1:46:21 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: Yes, that's correct.
The part that adds volume to the chin is the square jaw implant.
[2025-04-05, 11:06:46 AM] : Hi also, you said what I need is square jaw implant?
I just want to make sure to understand. Square jaw implants are to make the jaw/chin appear more masculine?
[2025-04-05, 12:19:47 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: The reason the doctor recommended an implant is not to make the face look more masculine, but because bone reduction is not what you need right now. In fact, too much bone was removed in your previous surgery, so a structural support is necessary to compensate for that.
For this reason, the doctor suggested using an implant to restore support first, and then doing a lifting procedure afterward so that the lifting effect can be maintained properly.
[2025-04-05, 12:20:18 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: By doing so, you will be able to achieve a more balanced and harmonious facial appearance.
[2025-05-20, 9:55:52 PM] : Oh sorry I do have a question. I would like to know where is the implant going. As stated my issue was my mouth was falling down because of the chin. And when I discuss with you( scroll up) I was questioning wether the implants would make any difference. So as stated this is my last surgery I can get because I don’t think anyone will go back there due to past surgeries. So I want to make sure to understand what is done to try to fix the issue. Because if I look at the the procedure it says jaw implant and chin muscle reattached. So I assume the implants go at the back of the jaw? And nothing is done close to the chin? In exception of reattaching the muscle? If that is the case.. I am sorry but i am not interested because I already had the muscle reattached ( the chin muscle) in the past… and it lasted about 1 month. And when I go home I was back at the same place.
Sorry for all the questions but as stated this is the last surgery I can have and I want to make sure to understand what is done and get the best possible results understanding that it’s not an easy surgery of course and chance of success are obviously lower.
[2025-06-04, 5:23:29 PM] : Reason I was mentioning this now is because I saw that it’s not the chin muscle that is being played with with the face lift. But it’s the actual double chin. So that is underneath? Right?
So thats why I was confused at the meeting. Of who was doing what. Because the surgeon I meant doing the implant is telling me another thing than what I confirmed weeks ago with you.
[2025-06-04, 5:36:02 PM] And I apologize for the question. But when discussing with him, it got me by surprised that suddenly there was no implant for the chin. So that’s why I mentionned it would have been the other surgeon when doing the chin muscle. But now I just saw that it is not the chin muscle being back up the chin. But it’s double chin muscle tightening which is underneath the jaw. So there is actually nothing done to the chin right? And as I have stated previously. I cannot proceed with facelifts knowing the chin isn’t supported as whatever lift and fat transfer will be done. Will only look good for 1-2 months as my face and muscle will pull down again when I’ll try to close my mouth since the chin isn’t supported and is more than 1 cm lower. As you can see with the picture I sent before my mouth opening is over by bottom teeth and bottom lip is under my bottom gum.
[2025-06-04, 5:42:55 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: No, the double chin surgery and the chin implant surgery are completely different procedures with different purposes.
The surgery that provides structural support to the chin is the square jaw implant surgery.
[2025-06-04, 5:49:19 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: I double checked with the doctor, and there are two main reasons why he recommended the implant.
First, it's about aesthetics. From a cosmetic standpoint, the doctor believes that lifting with the implant in place will look much better, which is why he suggested it.
Second, as you mentioned, it's for structural support. While the implant may not provide the same level of support as actual bone, there is still a significant difference between doing a facelift with the implant versus without it.
2025-07-18, 4:21:03 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: Hello,
We checked with the doctor who performed the implant procedure, and he explained the following:
The square jaw implants were placed to support the side jawlines and have nothing to do with sagging in the front of the chin.
If you think about it, the implants were inserted on both sides of the jaw — their role is to define and support the lateral jawline, not the front.
Regarding your comment about feeling like you have to press your entire face downward to close your mouth —
that sensation is actually due to the facelift, which pulls the entire face upward and tightens the tissue.
This feeling is not related to the implants, and it will gradually improve over time, so there’s no need to worry.
In fact, if the chin implants had not been placed, the facelift would not have been possible.
The implants were what made the facelift feasible by providing the necessary structure and support.
To clarify further —
your lower blepharoplasty, fat grafting, rhinoplasty, lip fillers, and facelift were not negatively affected by the implants.
On the contrary, the chin implants supported the facelift and helped define your jawline, preventing sagging.
We hope this explanation helps reassure you.
[2025-07-18, 4:23:00 PM] : image omitted
[2025-07-18, 4:23:37 PM] I did not have a chin implant put there. So you are confirming we should have proceeded with a chin implant?
[2025-07-18, 4:24:06 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: You had square jaw implant..
[2025-07-18, 4:24:27 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: that's the same thing i want to say
[2025-07-18, 4:24:28 PM] : Yes which is not chin implants
[2025-07-18, 4:24:48 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: sorry to make you comfuse
[2025-07-18, 4:24:58 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: thats square jaw implant
[2025-07-18, 4:25:09 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: its same thing what i would like to say
[2025-07-18, 4:26:11 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: As we mentioned at the time, the doctor explained that it was not possible to insert a chin implant
[2025-07-18, 4:26:25 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: so you only had aquare jaw implant
[2025-07-18, 4:27:15 PM] image omitted
[2025-07-18, 4:30:30 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: It seems there may have been some confusion regarding the terminology, and we sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding.
When we refer to a chin implant, we are actually referring to the square jaw implant — they are the same in this context.
We assumed you were already aware that you received square jaw implants, not a central chin implant.
[2025-07-18, 4:30:36 PM] \: Anyways you should be more be more clear with patients chin and jaw implants are completely different things. So to tell someone who has a saggy chin that they will get a chin implant to provide support them after surgery state that the support was form square jaw implants at the back of the jaw… is a little dishonest. Now I am stuck like this. A chin 1 cm too low. And no way to fix it in the future.. so for future patient it would be important to use the right parts of the body to describe things
[2025-07-18, 4:33:07 PM] ~Ab Plastic Surgery 2: We sincerely apologize for any confusion caused by the terminology along the way.
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Second impression: This hasn't been tranny's first rodeo getting his face worked on:
Slack jawed lol:
I was looking around for a face pic but have yet to find one.
BUT, you'll NEVER GUESS what I DO have pictures of!
According to him it feels like his penis is going to burst out of his crotch every time he gets aroused. (Archive) I guess they left a stump in there or something.
He's real upset about his SRS and FFS done in Montreal so he got botched again in Korea lol
OK I actually found some face pics (which are bad, both photo wise and because he did get botched):
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Before:
After:
Apparently his lower lip and chin are stuck that way, with the lower teeth showing. And he also couldn't close his eyes all the way after the Montreal guy got through with him. LOL.
For some reason he won't show us the whole dang face post-op. these are the best I got.
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The only subreddit where nipples are more of a meme is on r/cathelp, but over there it's a recurring celebration where new cat owners are relieved to discover they're idiots and their boy cat is a mammal.
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This seems plausible but I wonder how many of these Wilderpooners are actually originally from those nature spots?
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You know, before that, I used to be pro-SRS/GRS... But this thread has convinced me otherwise. If 1 in 3 vaginoplasties and 3 in 4 phalloplasties go wrong, this alone tells everyone how dangerous messing with a dick or kitty for cosmetic reasons is. It's still at an experimental stage too.
Right now, I support SRS/GRS having extremely strict criteria and still advance in development before subjecting actual patients to it. And psychological exams on said patients too.
Right now, I support SRS/GRS having extremely strict criteria and still advance in development before subjecting actual patients to it. And psychological exams on said patients too.
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define "go right", cause I daresay that vaginoplasties go wrong more than 33% of the time.
I used to feel like you do but now I lean towards "ban it". This isn't any better than Chinese foot binding. The reason is desire and cosmetics, not medical need, and the outcomes are all various degrees of horrible. I hope humanity looks back on this like we look back on lobotomies.
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If you're travelling to Korea for cosmetic stuff it's pretty common. Clinic puts you in contact with Doctor via WhatsApp, Doctor asks for pictures of your figure or face or whatever, they say what is possible etc and then arrange an in-person exam and then usually do the surgery then and there from what I understand.
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I have committed the ultimate real life power level and made my coworker cry by showing her this thread. In the flimsiest defense on my part she did insist on seeing the pictures after I was sperging about trannies. Weirdly she did not physically assault me or report me like someone in that situation would be justified in doing and instead has joined me in sperging about trannies. I might have just brute forced her into peaking as well as becoming a farmer. Truly my stupidity is awe inspiring, I could've fucked my whole life .
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NB our boy hasn't posted after-after pictures yet.
The "after" pictures I have are after the initial combo surgery in Montreal. He got like, another FFS surgery after that and this one has wrecked his face so bad he don't dare to take a picture.
Or maybe, the South Korean surgical guys were right and a chin implant was necessary but our boy Healthy Compote has unrealistic expectations from cosmetic work and now he's hassling a South Korean clinic that did their best for his poor face?
Now I'm like, super curious which it is because it really could be either.
He did post a partial after x-rays once the Montreal guys got done and heh, looks like he really took it on the chin, so to speak.
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That someone would voluntarily subject themselves to an unnecessary procedure with the possibility of inducing trigeminal neuralgia as a side effect is really beyond my comprehension. Galling indeed.
Minor topical p/l.
I was diagnosed with TN a few years ago. The pain is such that people would be driven to suicide before effective ways to treat it were discovered. It's sudden, and feels like an electric shock and fire at the same time. Horrible debilitating pain. I'm fortunate in that meds have been working well for me. No need for what's called a "Gamma Knife" procedure, but that's a future option if necessary.
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Honestly he looked fine before? Certainly not as grotesque as some of the other troons on here.
I don’t know if anyone here has seen this person before but I started following them a while back and stumbled upon their latest procedure—cracked ribs(?) and BBL. This person admits that they’re on a gender dysphoria treadmill and if they’d known how bad it would be, they would’ve stayed male, but now they feel like they’re too far gone to be normal.
IIRC this person’s SRS was botched by Kamol many years ago. They say they’re content with themselves for a while after every procedure but then something else starts to bother them but it’s never enough. Just kinda sad to listen to someone describe it like this.
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Yes, Lee has featured here a few times. He's actually quite honest about regretting his choices, and his bitchiness can be pretty funny.
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Oh, yes...this guy. He is an example of the tragic HSTS. He used to be a gay "chad" as he had no trouble meeting other men, but he completely threw everything down the drain by trooning out and getting SRS. His post-op takes have been surprisingly based but why couldn't he have these revelations before destroying himself?
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I don’t know how you can claim to care about these people and then support them doing this to themselves.
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There was a guy on a site where I once posted many years ago with this condition. I didn't know him, just read his descriptions of it, but it seemed to be one of the worst experiences I've ever heard of. I'm so glad you've had some success with some meds. Godspeed to you. I hope the meds give you relief forever.
Lee Francis is one of the more sympathetic people in the awful world of these surgeries. He's had some terrible experiences. But yeah, his situation iIsa case of heavy sunk-cost fallacy.
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His rather long video about his FFS surgery and lack of results is bleak. But he has something of a sense of humour.
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More reasons why SRS should be banned.
The pink-pillers, tranny cheerleaders, and handmaidens that saturate the media of my country as well as many online spaces never talk about the grim reality of what SRS entails and its aftermath.
If society really cared about these people as much as it pretends to, put down the scalpel and the HRT, and have the mental health profession try and crack open the underlying causes of this phenomenon. True gender dysphoria is a mental illness, so we should treat it like one instead of encouraging people's delusions or making jigsaw puzzles out of their torsos and genitals.
I do not see this as a "right" or "left" stance, I am just trying to be rational.
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The issue is that you're still thinking that you can construct functioning genitals by slicing penis or vagina to create a facsimile of the opposite sex and the truth is that you simply can't. Not now and not in the future. That some people are claiming that they totally love their new hacked up genitals is a result of profound mental illness or more likely just old fashioned cost-sunk fallacy. Just look at how many will claim having horrible complications but will then turn around and claim to totally not regret it?
They all regret it. They might try to push that regret out of their minds, but if they had to do it all over again, they wouldn't.
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Even the people who don't regret it have something wrong with them.
Like the other day I was in a cafe and there was a cute chick with a big old neck tat front and center. The girl was maybe 20.
I always want to be like "Who are you doing this for?"
If you're doing it for other people, that's sad, and if you're doing it for yourself, that's somehow even sadder.
You have to know that you're putting yourself on a certain path here. Mental states are for today, but your body is forever.
I am such an oldfag.
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Hasn't this queerboy been complaining about his surgeries since forever? And he's still getting some and plans to get more? HSTS really are retarded. And he looked good as a man, what a waste. He thinks "one more surgery" will get him to the magical realm of unclockable passing, but by the time he gets there, twink death will have inevitably set in, and the aging will hit him like a brick. It's all downhill from here, buddy.