GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Intel XeSS2 now supported by AMD and NVIDIA GPUs (archive)
Intel XeSS 2.1 Released With Frame Generation For Non-Intel GPUs But Still A Binary Mess (archive)

China, where innovation is necessary:

AIM MAX+ gaming laptop with AMD Strix Halo allegedly targets sub-$1000 price

LENOVO preparing new LOQ gaming desktops with AMD Dragon Range CPU and RTX 5070 Ti

First gaming laptop with 12-core Ryzen 9 9850HX “Fire Range” CPU to be released in China on August 12

 

[StacticShock]

China, where innovation is stolen from gweilo.

FTFY.

 

[Fcret]

Intel XeSS2 now supported by AMD and NVIDIA GPUs (archive)
Intel XeSS 2.1 Released With Frame Generation For Non-Intel GPUs But Still A Binary Mess (archive)

China, where innovation is necessary:

AIM MAX+ gaming laptop with AMD Strix Halo allegedly targets sub-$1000 price

LENOVO preparing new LOQ gaming desktops with AMD Dragon Range CPU and RTX 5070 Ti

First gaming laptop with 12-core Ryzen 9 9850HX “Fire Range” CPU to be released in China on August 12
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I kinda struggle to figure out who in China can afford to buy these things. Even in Beijing, median salary is like $1.5k/month and it falls off fast everywhere else.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I kinda struggle to figure out who in China can afford to buy these things. Even in Beijing, median salary is like $1.5k/month and it falls off fast everywhere else.

Those above the median. Which can still be a lot with over 1 billion population. Why does Tesla have a factory there, other than to get their IP stolen?

Businesses might use them, but some are more interested in smuggled 5090s, A100s, H100s, etc.

Wow, based:
Chinese Manufacturer Pairs GTX 1060 With Intel N95 Processor For Its Gaming Laptop; Uses Even A Weirder Combo Of Core i9 12900H+MX550 In Another Model

NVIDIA’s “Highly Optimistic” DGX Spark Mini-Supercomputer Still Hasn’t Hit Retail Despite a Planned July Launch, Suggesting Possible Production Issues

 

[harbringer883]

Is the B580 worth it right now? I'm watching it sell at msrp where I live

Yes. I got mine on sale and honestly, its great. Just dont pair it with a low end cpu.

 

[StacticShock]

Yes. I got mine on sale and honestly, its great. Just dont pair it with a low end cpu.

i hope future intel gpu's can be x16 instead of x8, i am on hopium to have the used 2700 i bought delivered tomorrow so i can finish my PCIe-3.0 pulter, then i will only check new pc parts once DDR6 rolls out, i ain't buying a 5700.
all of this shit because i got a shitty kingdian nvme

also while i'm at it, i haven't found one single video about lossless scaling with a R9 fury and a vega 64, damn.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

AMD Radeon RX 9060 to feature 18Gbps 8GB of GDDR6 memory

RX 9060 non-XT is OEM-only, with 28/32 CUs and slower memory.

AMD Readies Two New 3D V-Cache Ryzen 9000 “Zen 5” Desktop CPUs, 8 Core With 96 MB & 16 Core With 192 MB “Dual X3D”

https://x.com/g01d3nm4ng0/status/1952338477342986530 (archive)


A rumormonger is claiming that AMD will finally make the dual-cache 16-core that folx have been clamoring for. That's a 30W higher TDP than the existing 9950X3D.

The 9800X3D already has a 120W TDP, so no idea about the 8-core. It's either clocked lower or higher, probably lower. The 9800X3D was released in November 2024, 9900X3D/9950X3D in March 2025.

 

[harbringer883]

i hope future intel gpu's can be x16 instead of x8, i am on hopium to have the used 2700 i bought delivered tomorrow so i can finish my PCIe-3.0 pulter, then i will only check new pc parts once DDR6 rolls out, i ain't buying a 5700.
all of this shit because i got a shitty kingdian nvme

also while i'm at it, i haven't found one single video about lossless scaling with a R9 fury and a vega 64, damn.

I mean, ddr6 is probs going to come out mid next year, so thats proabably a good call.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I mean, ddr6 is probs going to come out mid next year, so thats proabably a good call.

I don't think so, not for consumer. Zen 6 will be using DDR5 on AM5 in 2026. A leaker has said Nova Lake will support DDR5-8000 out of the box. If Intel has another gen on the same LGA1954 socket (lol), that would use DDR5 too, in 2027.

I guess Zen 7 on AM6 will be the first to use DDR6, in late 2027 or early 2028.

 

[harbringer883]

I don't think so, not for consumer. Zen 6 will be using DDR5 on AM5 in 2026. A leaker has said Nova Lake will support DDR5-8000 out of the box. If Intel has another gen on the same LGA1954 socket (lol), that would use DDR5 too, in 2027.

I guess Zen 7 on AM6 will be the first to use DDR6, in late 2027 or early 2028.

I meant to say that it was going to be announced sometime in 2026. The actual release is probably in the 2027 ballpark.

 

[StacticShock]

I meant to say that it was going to be announced sometime in 2026. The actual release is probably in the 2027 ballpark.

probs late 2026 everything considered, consumer grade DDR6 still a piping dream and amd really wants to support AM5 till next year anyway.

 

[Bogan]

I guess Zen 7 on AM6 will be the first to use DDR6, in late 2027 or early 2028.

They had on I think their Computex show last year that AM5 was going to be supported until 2028. So my theory is that 2028 will be the year they come out with AM6. DDR5 only came out in 2020, so if it's anything like the gap between the previous generations there'll be at least another 2 years before either Intel or AMD come out with anything DDR6 related. I am really hoping AMD puts a lot more effort into memory so we can have things like LPCAMM and CPUs that can handle the higher memory frequencies.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

They had on I think their Computex show last year that AM5 was going to be supported until 2028. So my theory is that 2028 will be the year they come out with AM6. DDR5 only came out in 2020, so if it's anything like the gap between the previous generations there'll be at least another 2 years before either Intel or AMD come out with anything DDR6 related. I am really hoping AMD puts a lot more effort into memory so we can have things like LPCAMM and CPUs that can handle the higher memory frequencies.

They are talking about how they've supported AM4 for 9 years considering "new" releases. It's marketing wordplay, can't trust it. DDR6 is out whenever Zen 7 is being sold. 2028 is a good bet that factors in TSMC/industry delays. But usually they get a major generation out less than 24 months after the previous one.

I'm not expecting much from CAMM until proven otherwise, especially on desktop. CUDIMM clock drivers should probably become mandatory. AMD won't disappoint on memory speeds challenge, impossible. But it probably won't matter, again.

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AMD Ryzen Dual-X3D and Intel Nova Lake Dual-BLLC leaks surface almost simultaneously

Following hot on the heels of the dual-X3D rumor, we also have a dual-bLLC rumor for Nova Lake. Previously it was said you could get just 8+16+4 cores with bLLC, now I guess we might see 16+32+4 with bLLC on both chiplets/tiles.

Why has AMD had a change of heart on dual-X3D? Supposedly because of LLMs:



AMD’s next-gen AM6 socket to feature over 2100 pins, may support AM5 coolers

AM6 may support AM5 coolers, and should have around +22% more pins than AM5. It sounds like the size won't change much, if at all. Source: Italians looking at patents.

 

[Pattern Juggler]

Hoping those extra pins mean more memory channels, or more PCIE lanes. Both are welcome.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Hoping those extra pins mean more memory channels, or more PCIE lanes. Both are welcome.

I don't know what to expect on PCIe lanes, other than a move to PCIe 6.0. What you definitely can't count on is more memory channels. AMD and Intel will always resist giving triple/quad-channel to their mainstream sockets, despite having done it in the distant past. They will simply lean on the higher memory speeds of the latest DDR DRAM standard, as usual.

You will be felted on memory in DIY sockets forever, and if you want more you will need to buy into Threadripper/Epyc/Xeon workstations for upgradeable memory, or eXtreme AI MoDT mega APUs with soldered memory like Strix Halo, Nvidia DGX Spark, or Apple M(n) Pro and up.

NVIDIA says their GPUs do not have backdoors, kill switches, or spyware (archive)

 

[StacticShock]

AM6 may support AM5 coolers, and should have around +22% more pins than AM5. It sounds like the size won't change much

so 7nm then but the TDP might be 105w or if they do some white magic then 65w.
and here i was thinking on buying a wraith MAX to get ready...
i'm not very fond of watercooling, cleaning maintenance is a bitch.

You will be felted on memory in DIY sockets forever, and if you want more you will need to buy into Threadripper/Epyc/Xeon workstations for upgradeable memory, or eXtreme AI MoDT mega APUs with soldered memory like Strix Halo, Nvidia DGX Spark, or Apple M(n) Pro and up.

about right yeah, while the fucking mobo developers still release shit with 4 fucking lanes instead of getting real and releasing with 2 lanes and more nvme slots/pci lanes for that dual gpu set.
i want to use my lossless scaling with a RadeonVII dammit, 4096 HBM and shieeet...

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

so 7nm then but the TDP might be 105w or if they do some white magic then 65w.

What are you talking about with "7nm"?

 

[StacticShock]

What are you talking about with "7nm"?

gaytarded marketing lithography, i forgot to mention i was quoting someone from a cpu enthusiast monkeyzillian forum, meanwhile sellers be like oh this one is 14nm so that will be 2G's (about 200$ with the current conversion) even though the processor itself is pcie-3.0 (yep, 5700).
even though amd site lists as mm.

the worst part is that i cant call that faggot a faggot because they take themselves too seriously and would ban me and they use retarded phone-linking 2FA, it's worth calling him a faggot but the ban itself is not worth it due to the need to get a new SIM card which is a pain in the dick, i would also call a faggot that has been fellating X3D every single fucking time anyone asks for a processor because "muh competitive gaymes advantage".

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

gaytarded marketing lithography, i forgot to mention i was quoting someone from a cpu enthusiast monkeyzillian forum, meanwhile sellers be like oh this one is 14nm so that will be 2G's (about 200$ with the current conversion) even though the processor itself is pcie-3.0 (yep, 5700).
even though amd site lists as mm.

I guess ur talking about 7mm ultra slim fans or this?

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/packages/socket_am5

The heatsink attachment facilities and the height of the processor in the actuated socket, 7.98 ± 0.60 mm from the top of the PCB to the top of the lid, are in line with Socket AM4 so heatsinks for that socket can be used.

Regardless it's a bit early to care about what anybody is saying about AM6 dimensions and capabilities. Whatever slop AMD serves will be graciously accepted.

CCD lithography should be N2/N2X for Zen 6, A14 (w/ backside power delivery?) for Zen 7.

 

[Fcret]

They should drop cooler compatibility for AM6. AM5's IHS design introduced inefficiencies just to keep compatibility with AM4 coolers and it doesn't make much sense considering how cheap coolers are overall.