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So what effect does phalloplasty have on voting for the pooners?
💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging
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bouquetnine
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Well it's not actually a dick so...
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Causes them to stay at home crying on election day. Oh wait, that’s what they do every day.
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This was in the tranny Ls thread, but I thought it made more sense to reply here.
The bolded part is something no one tells troons honestly. Charles may gain some feminine features when he becomes Lillith, but he's just going to look like a less-masculine Charles, not like a true and honest female Lillith.
Troons/poons always compare their before and after, and I think that's a useless comparison. Of course you will look a little different when you take cross-sex hormones. You'll look like a gender-bent-ish version of your still recognizable "former" sex. Of course adding feminine features to a man makes him looks less masculine in comparison to his past hulking self. But it doesn't make him look more feminine, especially not compared to a true n honest woman.
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From the JKR thread. It got me thinking, what evidence would you need to see to change your views on trans people? For example, if brain scans showed trans identified people were more similar to the sex they wished to be, would it change your mind? In that example, it still doesn’t match material reality. I would need to see evidence that trans is real, I’ve yet to see a convincing argument for it, and have never seen a trans person with as much conviction as a schizophrenic person believing they’re actually Jesus.
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Genital transplants, instead of bottom surgery, would have to magically somehow actually be possible. Right now, for MTFs, bottom surgery is just giving yourself an axe wound in your crotch that smells like shit, and for FTMs, it's just attaching a flesh cylinder to your crotch that could rot off. I don't foresee genital transplants as ever actually happening, but if we're just talking hypotheticals, that's one of the things that would need to happen for me to support them. Because it's horrific seeing/hearing about sex change surgeries, and troons are far more likely to kill themselves after a sex change surgery. It never looks good. When it's "successful", that just means they got one of the less bad outcomes, but it's still bad.
Although even if genital transplants become real and possible, someone still would have been raised their entire life socially as the opposite sex, and it doesn't guarantee that they'll pass appearance-wise. So I guess the two hypotheticals that would need to come true miraculously for me to support trannies would be: 1) they can actually get the opposite sex genitals (and not a frankensteined mess), and 2) their brains do actually resemble the opposite sex.
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If you feel the need to sperg post against some Bible belt evangelical conception of Christianity, and in favor of le science and democracy(for some reason?), you're stuck in the 2010's.
You can chose not to be a Christian, but if you want to understand how we've arrived at current year you'll have to grapple with Christian thought in earnest at some point.
You can chose not to be a Christian, but if you want to understand how we've arrived at current year you'll have to grapple with Christian thought in earnest at some point.
bouquetnine
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Nothing. I disagree that this would make me a fundamentalist. I have far too much experience with trannies and I have dealt with them enough that I am convinced that nothing good can come with interacting with them. My stance is borne from experience, not unwavering belief. Trannies are, at best, something to be treated with great caution and a rapid exit to be made when possible because they will turn violent. Not necessarily physically violent, but they will find some way to impose their will on others and it is incredibly unpleasant.
It is theoretically possible that trannies could pay me reparations for the time and effort I have lost thanks to them as well as for future discomfort I know will be endured by other trannies, but I consider that so unlikely as to be impossible, so I'll leave it at Nothing.
Trannies would say that TTD is stochastic terrorism, but I don't give a shit anymore. At this point I consider it self defense. They think I'm trying to kill them and act like it, so may as well do the crime. They're going to treat me the same regardless.
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For me to accept trannies, they would need to prove that a sane man would cut his penis off because he wants to be a woman. Good luck with that.
Jacques1194
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If people can actually change their sex then I would probably (key word there) change my mind. However, even if there was overwhelming evidence that showed trans was real and their brains really matched the genders they identified with, the truth of the matter is that sex changes are impossible. (and if they argue that they don't get sex changes but "Gender reassignment surgery" it still would be pointless because an axe wound is not a vagina and vice versa with flesh cylinders) the fact that so many trans people try hard to convince people that it is one only proves how delusional these people are. If they really had lady brains then theirs would be dysphoric over the surgery because it would know that's not a vagina or a penis.
Yeah but their excuse is that society refuses to accept them when they got the "right genitals". Honestly, I can't for the life of me understand why handmaidens try really hard to convince people that the surgeries these people get is exactly like the real thing. The fact that these people think axe wounds are exactly like real vaginas or that the flesh cylinders TIFs get are like a real penis speaks volume over how bad the American education got. Even I know that there's more to the vagina than a gapping hole, but TRAs have really convinced themselves that doctors have really found a way to swap genitals. If this was true, why are TIMs who detransition unable to have biological children then?
Izdaja Slika
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It depends on what you mean by 'change my views', honestly.
"Brain scans" would change fuck nothing about my views. A man who has a more 'female-like' brain isn't female. Female is not defined by a brain structure. As a faggot, I'm sure my brain is more 'female-like' in some aspects than the typical hetero-male brain. But that doesn't make me remotely female. Also, a 'female-brain' would not be any justification at all for allowing men into female spaces.
In the far, far future (if we make it that far), it might be possible to completely reconstruct a body (like sci-fi nanosurgery The Fifth Element shit) from one whose phenotype was to produce small, motile gametes to one whose phenotype was to produce large, sessile gametes (and could actually produce them). In that case, I'd be willing to say that the new body was female, but I would not forget that the brain and the hormones and the body up until that point was that of a male. And you just know the kind of man who would want to undergo such nanosurgery.
I might be convinced that 'trans-affirmation' is the best option for the mental health of children questioning their gender. But first you actually have to produce any such evidence. But even if such evidence were produced, that does not mean I would automatically think that was the best thing for society, any more than I think the best thing for society is to approve the delusions of any other person with delusional beliefs.
I will never be convinced that the fascist language games played by trans ideologists are legitimate, because they defy logic. Gendered pronouns for humans, in English, always referred to a person's sex, not their 'gender identity', which is a concept invented from whole cloth about five hundred years after English became recognisable as it is now.
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I wouldn't fret over it. There doesn't have to actually be contrary evidence. The idea is that if there were contrary evidence, you'd be able to change your mind. We know there isn't, and it's pretty hard to imagine there would ever be. However, we certainly wouldn't refuse to change our mind on principle rather than reason.
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"Guys if you don't let us into women's bathrooms and use incorrect pronouns even accidentally we will literally kill you and your kids! Also we aren't mentally ill because John Money the literal pedophile said so! Trust us!"
Why are we doing anything but institutionalizing these freaks?
Why are we doing anything but institutionalizing these freaks?
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I know I'm kinda late and gay, but I still wanted to respond to this. Not necessarily an opposing view, mostly adding on.
I think you're spot on for most of your post, except for the last sentence. I think there are less extreme amounts of AAPs than there are AGPs, but they still exist - and from personal experience it doesn't have to be EITHER OR - sometimes you start out due to trauma but embrace the yaoi goon down the line.
Then again, why women are into yaoi is a whole other topic - most straight romance is aimed at the male gaze, making it unattractive for the average female. There's also less of a gender-driven power dynamic and traditional gender roles ("I have to be this character because it's the woman"), especially true for past anime that came out of sexist Japan that mostly made female characters either goonbait for moids or the perfect boring future wife with zero personality. Also in general, women don't want to be reminded of rape in their erotica, but many do enjoy a power play fantasy - since yaoi doesn't feature a female, it's a "safe" way to enjoy it without linking it to the undesirable rape part. There's many more but I want to keep it brief.
This is not meant as an argument about yaoi being better than straight porn, but rather an explanation why there's more to it than the "teenage interracial bbc rape bukkake" top search for males.
However, I don't know how you don't see "escaping the pressure to be a strong manly man" as a pretty significant reason for transitioners.
Men grow up and are expected to be strong, stoic and aggressive. For society, a successful male has a great career, makes good money and a muscular fit body made from slaving away for countless hours at the gym. And most importantly: he has a good-looking girlfriend and later wife and kids, that he obviously pays for.
Are you a little scrawny introverted underdog in school? Be prepared to get punched and bullied in the school yard - the only language other boys understand is violence.
You get a lot of expectations set upon you - and especially when you don't fit into the male stereotype, you might feel misplaced. Maybe you prefer pretty things instead of machinery. Maybe you like to use your brain instead of your fists. Maybe you fell down when you where little and got told "boys don't cry". Maybe you think men are sexy, but only women are allowed to love men. And all the cool hobbies you could enjoy!
Women are allowed to be open about their emotions, women don't need a six pack, women don't need to work hard or make a lot of money and they are allowed to enjoy pretty things. Also, you wouldn't need to embarrass yourself anymore trying to get a woman's attention, because all the men come to them!
What a wonderful life - if you could just escape your male body
... and live life on easy mode.
... and be allowed to love men.
... and be allowed to engage in stereotypical feminine things.
Being traumatized as a child likely has the same outcome for men like it has for women (wanting to escape your body) as well. Are a lot of TIMs AGP gooners wanting to live their sick fantasy? Probably. And women living on "easy mode" is obviously a false impression lacking insight from the women's side, but that doesn't erase the pressure men do get, them wanting to take drastic measures to escape it. Men in that basket feel disadvantaged by society just as well - although for different reasons.
Please stop with the "muh women transition for the better, more correct reasons". We have a lot of things going for us, but being the "superior transitioner" is a title we don't get and don't need.
We should acknowledge sex-specific problems and find actual solutions.
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There is nothing that can change my opinions on troons, because every single reason for trooning out is retarded and often degenerate. Letting these thoughts manifest into physical alterations also brings social consequences that the rest of us have to deal with.
A man can undergo surgery that is more excruciating and prolonged than the current chop already is in order to have a real, working female reproductive system, and even undergo ten more similarly awful surgeries to truly look and be seen as female. But it won't change the fact that he's either a freak who thinks just being a woman is erotic and that he should be allowed to indulge 24/7 without regard for other people he's involving in his sexual fetish, or he's a fag who couldn't cope with being a fag (and also wanted to open his dating pool).
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Different hypothetical I've personally wondered about:
If a pill was invented that completely got rid of gender dysphoria without any need to transition on any level, how do you think progressives would take it?
From observing debate in like the deaf community where some deaf people label treatment as cultural genocide I'm inclined to think a lot of trans people would react like that.
If a pill was invented that completely got rid of gender dysphoria without any need to transition on any level, how do you think progressives would take it?
From observing debate in like the deaf community where some deaf people label treatment as cultural genocide I'm inclined to think a lot of trans people would react like that.
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They pretty much already consider any push back against trans ideology as genocide. If such a pill existed, they would call it conversion therapy, try to draw parallels to anti-gay movements of the past, and still insist on transitioning as the somehow more "natural" or "moral" option (even though it is clearly a medical nightmare).
Why? Because gender dysphoria isn't actually their core argument for the legitimacy of transgenderism. They see it as an extension of gender-nonconformity and homosexuality.
The gender dysphoria argument was a gambit for acceptance.
The progs are fixated on pushing the moral boundary (it's literally in their name) and recent success has gone to their heads. I can only imagine this will lead to some breaking point where they find most of their work undone, just because they don't know when to stop.
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This is patently false. You're either a woman purposefully lying to make women as a whole look better or a man who doesn't know what female goon material is like.
There is no romantic TV shows, movies, or novels written with men in mind. Live action porn and coom video games are pretty much where that's at. Even then, there are women catered coom video games and other content (a lot of VNs are this). Women tend to like more narrative to the porn but the effect it can have is just as poisonous.
A shit load of romantic and straight up porn for women also has a lot of rape in it. Either of the "starts to like it" variety or the hero saving the damsel from being forced upon. Which is also a huge thing...a lot of main characters in romance for women lack agency and the entirety of the romantic arc is decided by the male lead's actions. Even if on the surface it may seem to have the trappings of her being a stronk independent womxn! when you pay attention to how it's actually written she just basically emotionally reacts to other character's and various plot devices. When you get into the yaoi schlock you're looking at even more rapey bull.
If you want decent female main characters you have to look beyond romance categories entirely because the ultimate fantasy for the type of reader of that shit seems to be when an incredibly "high value" man just decides to be obsessed with some random woman because she has some magical inherent quality that is vague and never defined and then makes everything work out for her all while probably being extremely disrespectful of various types of boundaries.
In short: a lot of pooners are just as incredibly brain rotted as troons it just manifests a bit differently because they're women and the type of porn they obsess over isn't the same.
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It's still kind of taboo for women to directly want sex and so the erotica they put out tends to be extra freaky in response - it's full of rape fantasies because it's a vehicle for getting the female lead into sexual situations without her seeking it out.
When men seek out sexual material they tend to just go straight for fairly normal porn with attractive people, meanwhile women made 50 Shades of Grey into a bestseller.
Similar story for yaoi, a ton of fujos report that they got into yaoi because it let them enjoy sexual material without being reminded of all the sexual baggage that comes with being a woman. The yaoi to pooner arrested development pipeline is real.
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I think a pill would only be developed if it was marketable, and although some trans people insist that no one would choose their lifestyle, it’s unlikely many are pushing for a cure for gender dysphoria. I think I saw in the tranny Ls thread that one of them had stopped transitioning after taking Ozempic, like the desire had just completely gone, so I do wonder if that will be looked into more. It’s as another poster above me said, they will call it conversion therapy and not allow anyone to take it, even if they want to, which is ironic.