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Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier
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Fair enough, I guess.
Keep in mind, this aired a week after DS9's universally beloved "Trials and Tribble-ations".
For me, it was during "The Ensigns of Command", where he got to fuck with the Sheliak by exploiting a loophole in a treaty they signed, hanging up on them, and while waiting to answer their next hail, he takes the time to strut around the bridge and get some dust off the ship's plaque.
Statler: They say Season 4's gonna be the best one yet!
Waldorf: Yes, but will it actually be good?
Statler: Of course it will! It's one season closer to ending!
Both: DOHOHOHOHOHO!
There was also Geordi and technically Wesley.
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Being Black in Starfleet means being outranked by the guy they attempt to classify as a piece of property
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Wasn’t O’Brien a redshirt at one point? They had him sitting at the helm before shoving him into the transporter room like “Your destiny is pressing the beam me down button forever.” The humiliation of the Working Man!
The goldshirt conversation always reminds me of that Eddington-Sisko exchange, "yeah I wanted to be a captain but I’m stuck as a goldshirt for life.” You could see it gnawing at him, that guy was destined to bounce to the Maquis.
I still think on paper it was a solid idea. DS9 rebuilding Constitution-class corridors, VOY redressing the Intrepid class and pretending it’s the Excelsior. (Gorgeous ship, btw, even the TNG diehards have to admit that thing could’ve stood in for the Galaxy-class.) You already set the precedent with Spock hanging around in TNG, Tuvok as our POV character makes sense.
Tuvok is getting mind-raped again? Why even bother dragging in Grace Lee Whitney if the entire cameo is getting knocked out so Janeway can steal her outfit like Agent 47? And then this virus plot... supposedly it only kills Vulcans because of some quirk of biology. OK, so if it jumps to Janeway, what then? She just buries it in a repressed memory and survives? That’s not suspenseful.
Instead of this “spatial anomaly + memberberries” Frankenstein, they should’ve just leaned into a straight time travel episode.
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One moment I admittedly liked was how Picard chose to personally beam O'Brien off the Enterprise for his transfer to Deep Space Nine as a send-off for his former position.
I'd go simpler and make it a flashback.
Have the crew talk about the Khitomer Accords (maybe they're having a little party to celebrate the anniversary), and Tuvok decides to tell everyone what his experience under Sulu's command was like.
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He also had Lieutenant pips, before they made up their minds what to do with the character (busting him back to chief petty officer and making him suffer for the next 10 years or so).
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In fairness to the writers, Colm Meaney was clocking in like a union plumber (“lemme beam two guys up and I’m going home.”) Like here is a man who was negotiating how little Star Trek shit he could tolerate while still cashing checks. They practically had to drag him by the ankles to get him on DS9 full-time.
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I've had a bit of fanon to reconcile it all for a little while. It goes something like this:
He served as a non-com through the Cardassian war, then received a field commission some time in the early 60s, at which point he returned to the Academy for a year on a truncated OTC course, mostly to familiarise him with procedural differences and determine his career track. His experience aboard the Rutledge indicated he might be suitable for command, while his overall performance was such that he was assured of a prime posting, so he was put on a command track and transferred to the newly-commissioned Enterprise. It was quickly apparent that he wasn't command material however, despite competent performance at the conn. Drawing again from his prior career path, but actually paying attention this time, it was decided he should be moved to operations. He initially worked security due to his wartime experience, but that same experience left him ill-suited to the job of a peace-time security officer. By his own suggestion and with the recommendation of Lt Yar, he moved within operations to the engineering department. He specialised in transporter maintenance and operation, from which he earned a rapid promotion to lt jg and then lieutenant. Despite his rank, he still thought of himself as an enlisted man and fondly recalled his days as a petty officer, which is why he didn't contradict Sergey Rozhenko referring to him as such, and why he joked about not attending formal officer functions. His avoidance of such functions, along with other such "voluntary" duties officers were expected to perform, was noted in his record.
The unaddressed trauma of his wartime experiences still quietly haunted him; he believed, wrongly as it turned out, that he had overcome it and that it was no longer an issue. Unfortunately, that unaddressed trauma came to a head during the events of The Wounded. Talking down Captain Maxwell, after being surrounded by bloody cardies for several days, drew the memories of those past events back to the surface and forced him to face not only what he had lived through, but what he had done. What it had turned him into, as he had said to that one Cardassian officer. He found himself dwelling on the events of the war for long periods. His work began to suffer, which combined with his shirking of "volunteer" duties, placed a growing strain on his relationship with the senior staff and his direct superiors. The issue reached a head when, after a night of heavy drinking and clothed only in underpants and a replicated traffic cone, he stormed into engineering and tried to climb onto the warp core, while singing a bawdy folk ballad. After a night in the brig, he was ordered into counselling.
Administrative punishment for such dangerous and irresponsible behaviour required his demotion to ensign, after which he voluntarily resigned his commission - on the advice of counsellor troi - in order to resume his position as chief petty officer. For O'Brien, who had chafed against the responsibilities of being an officer, the demotion was a relief. He had more time to focus on solving problems rather than filling in paperwork, even if it meant taking orders from people he had previously outranked (like Lt.Murdoch Broccoli Spiderman Barclay). He retained his transporter operations post, as well as responsibilities far beyond those a non-com would normally hold, but given his career prospects aboard the Enterprise were now essentially toast, despite the deep respect he still retained from his fellow crew, it was decided to transfer him to a posting more suited to his inclinations. The transfer to DS9 was intended to present him with unique and involving challenges, in what was otherwise expected to be a quiet, backwater posting that would keep him off front line duty and hopefully avoid another warp core incident.
Oh dear.
The unaddressed trauma of his wartime experiences still quietly haunted him; he believed, wrongly as it turned out, that he had overcome it and that it was no longer an issue. Unfortunately, that unaddressed trauma came to a head during the events of The Wounded. Talking down Captain Maxwell, after being surrounded by bloody cardies for several days, drew the memories of those past events back to the surface and forced him to face not only what he had lived through, but what he had done. What it had turned him into, as he had said to that one Cardassian officer. He found himself dwelling on the events of the war for long periods. His work began to suffer, which combined with his shirking of "volunteer" duties, placed a growing strain on his relationship with the senior staff and his direct superiors. The issue reached a head when, after a night of heavy drinking and clothed only in underpants and a replicated traffic cone, he stormed into engineering and tried to climb onto the warp core, while singing a bawdy folk ballad. After a night in the brig, he was ordered into counselling.
Administrative punishment for such dangerous and irresponsible behaviour required his demotion to ensign, after which he voluntarily resigned his commission - on the advice of counsellor troi - in order to resume his position as chief petty officer. For O'Brien, who had chafed against the responsibilities of being an officer, the demotion was a relief. He had more time to focus on solving problems rather than filling in paperwork, even if it meant taking orders from people he had previously outranked (like Lt.
Oh dear.
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7/10 needs more kayaking
Just kidding. Thats pretty good. Warp core incident might be a little much. Get Penguin or whoever to commission your novel. Also what about Keiko? Would you say she came on the Enterprise with the Chief, or he met her there?
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Oh, I'm sure she came all the time on the Enterprise after she met the Chief.
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This didn't happen as the Vorlons weren't going to sacrifice themselves for the younger races when they had been in a continuous ideological and philosophical pissing match with the Shadows ever since the Vorlons had evolved into sentience million plus ago. Only Kosh was willing to sacrifice himself and done so as he was the only Vorlon who genuinely gave as fuck about the younger races. As the Vorlons represented order and the Shadows represented chaos. It was with Sheridan, with the very subtle hint from Lorien, who realized they the younger races are just another set of pawns on the chessboard between the two of them.
Quoting the Babylon 5 wiki and the bolded line is what Sheridan had realized and acted upon.
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If that was true, she wouldn't be so cranky.Oh, I'm sure she came all the time on the Enterprise after she met the Chief.
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I assume they met there. TNG was never really clear on how non-family civilians were assigned to ships, but I think it's reasonable to assume there's a contingent of civilian "crew" to bulk up departments that are short of specialised personnel, or fill out auxiliary service roles. Like Mot.
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Pretty sure she split off from the main body of Armus during the events of Skin of Evil and hid on Tasha Yar's corpse until she could slither off to some dark corner of Riker's quarters, where after spying on Polaski during the periodic pegging sessions she inflicted on the Commander during her nightly booty calls she learned the art of being a seething harridan, before retreating to his trombone storage box to gorge itself on his vintage collection of asian pornography which would cause it to eventually assume the form of a 6.8/10 Japanese milf during the events of The Best of Both Worlds when everybody was too distracted by the whole Borg thing to notice an extra member of the crew, and from there she would subsist on the corpses of extras who died during general Enterprise shenanigans.
She met O'Brien when disposing of the remains of her latest meal out the airlock where she ran into him drunkenly doing the same with a wheelbarrow full of empty Old Bringloid bottles. One thing led to another and a half dozen inebriated hatefucks later the two were officially dating, "Keiko" happy to find the companionship Armus always craved and also someone to torture to her hearts content for eternity and O'Brien happy to find a woman he could beat like a screaming drum and tolerate even the most hatefully obscure ethnic slurs being bellowed in their face without reporting him to Picard
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Data introduced Keiko to O'Brien, that's revealed in the first episode Keiko appears on; "Data's day". That's why Data is so involved in their weddings.
Edit: Also why do I remember details like this but can't remember important stuff?
Edit: Also why do I remember details like this but can't remember important stuff?
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Ya know....I recognised this comic for a very unfortunate reasonWasn’t O’Brien a redshirt at one point? They had him sitting at the helm before shoving him into the transporter room like “Your destiny is pressing the beam me down button forever.” The humiliation of the Working Man!
Some years back the creator was hired by Disney to write Star Wars comics about Porkins and Biggs going on a gay beach vacation and for a brief moment in 2019 it became the most cursed cawntent of the franchise before...well...the final movie came out
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Two guys, one named Porkins, the other with a mustache like a Tom of Finland drawing. It really does sound like some underground gay porno zine.
Their X-Wings weren’t the only things docking that day
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They took "Cover me, Porkins!" the wrong way.
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Why is the writing so bad? Why is everything about it so bad? Why am I asking questions with obvious answers?!?
Because you're a fucking nerd.
(I just realised, this also answers my own question...)
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This is now canon, you can't change my mind.