Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

Is Tesla Gay?

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Thiletonomics said:
Tesla did make a strange design decision to add a headliner on the Model Y Standard trim, but kept the glass roof on it. Tesla claims that this is cheaper to do than adding a metal roof, but that wouldn't explain why the Model 3 Standard trim keeps the glass roof as is without the added headliner.
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It's most likely a cost cutting tradeoff.

They have the gigantic stamping machines to make the car frames, and they most likely would need to either retool to not stamp out the roof, or would need new stamping machines to cut out a fairly thick piece of aluminum to replace the glass roof.

Since they probably purchase their glass for fairly cheap per unit, the price of rebuilding tooling just for the roof would far exceed the benefit from the expected volume of standards they will sell, and, imo, they won't sell many, it's a price ladder, you lose a lot vs the "premium" model:
- way worse audio
- previous generation, notoriously shitty suspension
- no back screen
- no autosteer
- no fm radio (wtf)
- no powerfolding mirrors
- no matrix headlights (so you have to fiddle with their notoriously shit controls even more)
- non ventilated, "plastic leather" trash seats
- Vastly worse charging performance, and not by a little

All of that for 5k less. Nobody in their right mind would pay merc prices for altima quality.

Compared to the competition, you can get cheaper than the model 3 with better day to day driving performance (charging, suspensions) with the base model ioniq 5.
 
Burnt Effigy said:
- no fm radio (wtf)
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I'd never given it a thought, but I suppose that's not technically illegal. I would have assumed radios were mandatory, for traffic information, since at least it's a legal requirement for car stereos to support automatically switching to the designated traffic information channel if there's an alert for your area, but I guess that would be problematic for "cars" like motorcycles and loaders, road legal vehicles where radios are impractical or undesirable distractions.
 
Burnt Effigy said:
It's most likely a cost cutting tradeoff.

They have the gigantic stamping machines to make the car frames, and they most likely would need to either retool to not stamp out the roof, or would need new stamping machines to cut out a fairly thick piece of aluminum to replace the glass roof.
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The frames are mostly cast, not stamped. But still, avoiding buying a machine to stamp out a panel is very Musk-like. I remember when Tesla ball-washers insisted Elon Musk was going to destroy the entire car industry with revolutionary manufacturing. Supposedly, legacy industry:
  • Doesn't know how to use any material except steel
  • Doesn't know how to use robots
  • Doesn't know what casting is
  • Can't retool factories
It turns out the reason Toyota doesn't use "alien dreadnought" manufacturing is end-to-end automated systems tend to fail catastrophically, and whooshing huge pieces of steel around ultra rapidly makes those catastrophic failures exceedingly dangerous. Thus Musk had to scrap that idea. And "gigacasting" isn't such a great idea because it's extremely failure prone. Any time we get numbers on Tesla scrap rates, it's in the neighborhood of 30%-40%. Auto factories aim to keep it below 0.000001%.

Susanna said:
it's a legal requirement for car stereos to support automatically switching to the designated traffic information channel if there's an alert for your area
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I don't think American cars are required to have digital selective calling (DSC). Must be an EU thing.
 
The Ugly One said:
I don't think American cars are required to have digital selective calling (DSC). Must be an EU thing.
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And not all pollution regulation is as strict as California or the EU mandates, but cars are still made to those stricter standards because you don’t want to exclude yourself from major markets and it ultimately costs less to just put slightly bigger catalytic converters in every car than having parallel production lines. If the EU requires the DSC, which is apparently what that feature is called, every car stereo from international manufacturers will have it.
 
Susanna said:
If the EU requires the DSC, which is apparently what that feature is called, every car stereo from international manufacturers will have it.
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Maybe not, radios have different frequencies in different countries and may well be different devices entirely.
 
Susanna said:
And not all pollution regulation is as strict as California or the EU mandates, but cars are still made to those stricter standards because you don’t want to exclude yourself from major markets and it ultimately costs less to just put slightly bigger catalytic converters in every car than having parallel production lines. If the EU requires the DSC, which is apparently what that feature is called, every car stereo from international manufacturers will have it.
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From everything I can find, they're only in boats and European makes.

AMERICA WINS
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FLAWLESS VICTORY
 
Imagine using buttons to open your doors and shift your gear.Surely in the event of an accident , this will work out for drivers yes?
 
Markass the Worst said:
Nope. There are already several who have died in fires because they couldn't open the door.
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the front seats have a mechanical handle i think. the rears require taking apart the door trim. and ALL the windows are laminated right? that one chinese broads drowned in her because the fire crew couldn't break the windows and get her out before she drowned. shit is a retard magnet.
 
babyDunk said:
shift your gear
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Well, there really aren't any gears to speak of, other than "park".

Which indeed does cause problems when the 12v battery dies and you can't shift out of park to get it on the tow truck, Looks like Tesla does have an override for some models. My EV you have to jump to disengage it, so hopefully the whole 12v system isn't fried.
 
DavidS877 said:
My EV you have to jump to disengage it, so hopefully the whole 12v system isn't fried.
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What EV do you have? i've asked tons of uber drivers(with varying answers) but is it worth it? I'm thinking of purchasing a gay vehicle lol.
 
 
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Wow wow wow.
Cheapest Tesla is now the model 3 at $36K.
Now you probably think that is still too high.
Tesla is working on their automated Unboxed Manufacturing process that will cut down costs. Once that is used to make cars, that Model 3 might go low as $30K. And it's not like it's going to be the same performance, Tesla keeps upgrading range every iteration.
Legacy automakers are genuinely in trouble if they don't innovate.
 
babyDunk said:
What EV do you have? i've asked tons of uber drivers(with varying answers) but is it worth it? I'm thinking of purchasing a gay vehicle lol.
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GMC Sierra EV Denali. One of the first ones so the gayest part is the stupid primer gray color. Second gayest part is the giant 24 inch wheels which are stupid for a pickup.
450ish mile 0-100% range, I usually plan for 300 in the flatlands(80% to 20%) and less in the mountains. Haven't had a significant range concern here in the Pacific Northwest.

It also weighs 9000lbs, and costs a fortune, but the range and 750hp is very nice. I need to get a front bumper so I can push the car in front of me onto the freeway at a reasonable speed.
 
TBH I don’t really disagree with that policy. Lithium batteries can be very reactive, and especially if they’ve been damaged. EVs should be required to get a thorough inspection at a qualified mechanic before you’re allowed to charge them after an accident, or if the sensors detect vibration beyond what the car is rated for.
 
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