AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

I don't care for AI, and refuse to actively interact with it as a personal rule.

However the coping and seething from these "muh credit, muh commissions" artfags is amusing.
I think this is a pretty common viewpoint because while AI in its current state is pretty shitty, it punishes a specific type of irritating person we all know.
Microsoft just put out a blog about their new data center and it had this helpful tidbit
Every anti AI argument is just throwing darts at the wall until something sticks. There is more water in a can of soda than an AI prompt.
 
You guys aren't very penultimate in this thread, no one even mentioned the trio that did a hunger strike against AI recently, it was pretty kino:
 
I finally found a legit reason to trash and talk shit about AI. Claude's shitty ass week limiting rules where they make you wait days to post anything again.
 

I don't think this is quite right. A lot of the anti-AI people have a faint sense of what is coming, but they're scared of it, and they lack any belief system that might provide comforting context for their fear, so they retreat into denialism. Enforced ignorance is part of that denialism (most of them refuse to update their mental model of what AI can do past 2022 or so). And they're constantly scoffing and telling each other that the "AI bubble" will destroy AI, even though that's not how bubbles work.

Which is what I've been saying for years, but no one listens!
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I agree with his conclusions for the most part but his reasoning is just bullshit, this guy is projecting his own psychoses onto other people. I don't look at a beautiful painting or enjoy a great album because I secretly want to make a painting or an album myself, it's because... I just like doing it, believe it or not.

Also what's the point of making art if literally no one wants to consume art except as a substitute for something they created themselves? Like one good thing (maybe the best thing) about creating something is inspiring powerful and enjoyable emotions in other humans. Why even bother if the only thing other people feel is "wow i'm only reading/watching this thing because I can't make it myself."
 
Why even bother if the only thing other people feel is "wow i'm only reading/watching this thing because I can't make it myself."
It's kind of revealing about those who think that way right? So self-absorbed and jealous.

I read and watch things to escape from life and be entertained. There's something less entertaining about forging the story or piece of media myself. Sure there's joy in making things, but it's different to enjoying something foreign to myself.

AI definitely has the potential to benefit ordinary people far more than large corporations. Perhaps it's even in the printing press order of technology. Verdict is still out on that though. I am enjoying "intellectuals" and "artists" seething at it.
 
Part of the reason is because so much of the AI the public NORMALLY sees on the internet is slop churned out by Indians. With that, we've gotten so used to AI being bad that we refuse to give at least the good AI shit credence.
And then you look at what real artists can do with it.
This is something that not only couldn't have been done without AI, but also couldn't have been done without a real artist at the helm.

And this is last generation.
That’s something I was talking about with a friend recently after we ran across the Monoverse videos on YouTube, how cool it was that one or two people now have the means to make something like that themselves, that would have once taken a whole small team to produce.

And it's funny how many the comments on those videos are something like “I don’t like generative AI, but…” Why, it’s almost like a lot of the instant negative reaction to AI comes the fact that normies use it (poorly) to make stupid normie things. 🤔

I agree with his conclusions for the most part but his reasoning is just bullshit, this guy is projecting his own psychoses onto other people. I don't look at a beautiful painting or enjoy a great album because I secretly want to make a painting or an album myself, it's because... I just like doing it, believe it or not.
And sometimes, that even works in reverse: You look at a nice painting and go “Wow, that’s really cool. Maybe I should try painting sometime.”
 
i think one of the most sad but funny things about ai fear/hate is that if people tried, at all, anymore, or begun to try, ai would be delayed or even be unable to directly compete

if artists didn't fuckin nearly ALL go to drawing on ms paint or ms paint but 700 dollars, where every mistake is a undo key away, and instead kept all their imperfections in the foundation of the work like artists used to have to, a ai ripping off steven universe wouldn't copy an artist ripping off su

if artists didn't all chase fads or go to art school to learn the gender neutral hogslop art style everywhere, you wouldn't have hundreds or thousands of artists say it was ripping them off with one fucking picture

if the entertainment industry did practical effects, a ai would only be able to replicate them through cgi, which will never be like stuff from the original Thing for example, if they hired actors for acting instead of quotas you'd be much less likely to have ai replacements of "conventionally attractive white woman with average acting ability"

if you had writers who didn't just rely on "ah yes i think ill do a heros journey today following tvtropes terms, maybe tomorrow i'll do a ""homage"" of a preexisting work, and i'll insert rapid capitalism bad, socialism great, and the president is a trump satire" you wouldn't be able to have a ai who could do the equivalent of the same fucking adlibs the same way but better, faster, an objective pulse on what's trending, and no striking

if you had singers that didn't do the shit like all pop songs following the same 4 chords, all being the same whisper singing or mumble rap shit, majority being love songs with names not stated so everyone can think taylor swift wants to fuck THEM, or it's about THEM, you wouldn't be able to have so much potential for ai to completely fuck the industry up the ass
stuff like johnny cash singing a cover of hurt at the end of his life with recent and long trauma, having recordings of his life, and seeing/hearing how he resonated with the song cannot be copied by a fucking hatsune miku
 
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Like I said in the post, these people hear AI and think the full thing is AI and that means its evil. They need to have everything be black and white like in their movies instead of having some grey area. The artist of the song makes the music but used an AI image for the album art, making it automatically evil and the entire project AI.
 
Which is what I've been saying for years, but no one listens!
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I like generative AI as a creative tool, but I really don't think this prediction is going to come to pass. It's going to empower people to do things that they would not have been able to do before and raise the bar for a lot of stuff, but whole movies that are actually entertaining and worthwhile are not going to spring fully formed from a prompt entered by a teenager. Writing a novel or making a movie is always going to take work and attention to detail no matter how sophisticated the tools become.

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Like I said in the post, these people hear AI and think the full thing is AI and that means its evil. They need to have everything be black and white like in their movies instead of having some grey area. The artist of the song makes the music but used an AI image for the album art, making it automatically evil and the entire project AI.
That's my favorite part. "It's bad because it's AI even though I thought it was good before someone told me that it was AI... oh, what, the music is not AI? Just the cover art? Uh... uh... no, that's not possible, AI could never be used as a tool by a human creative for part of their work, all real artists hate AI. This must be entirely AI and therefore bad and evil."

I guess what I'm trying to get at with both of these points is that it's silly to personify generative AI as, like, a robot wearing a beret that makes stuff on its own and will therefore replace human artists. I think that is the strawman that a lot of antis are mad about and I just think that's completely the wrong way to look at it. It's a tool, and like most tools, the quality of its output is largely a function of the skill of the user.
 
AI is and was the death knell of off those quirky kids at school who buried their heads in notepads or worse still tablets and claimed on Facebook they were an illustrator when you and everyone else knew they were fucking unemployed. funnily a lot of these people were also shitlibs and commies, the great irony being that Ai tools in their own world view are good because it reduces inequality in skill now everyone can generate imagery of the same low to mediocre quality just as marx intended. Political sperging aside :politisperg: I have recently found meshy ai. Its quite impressive, you can upload or generate a 2D image and then generate it into a 3d one. From there you can animate it or convert it into an STL for 3D printing. I don't have an moral stipulations with it, dont get me wrong there's a lot of talented 3D artists out there but its nice that I have a way to make niche bullshit that 3D artists would never bother with because of copywrite or lack of interest
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Umm... frendo? You made a logical error—AI art isn't real art. Can you name a single "real" artist that doesn't use heckin' Photoshop and Clip Studio and Digital Tablets? Real artist know how to draw with layers, effects, and special brush sets to achieve their creative vision, not just typing some words into a program. What do you mean real artists don't have an undo button? I'm a real artist and I use it all the time! Yes, my commissions are open, but you don't actually want a photorealistic drawing of a still life, wouldn't you rather adopt a furry Nintendo character waving a pride flag? I mean, only hacks draw from reference (which all photorealistic art requires)—real artist draw completely from their imagination. If that's what you want, just take a dumb picture.
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If you like what you see, my commissions are open. Making real art is really hard and expensive, so please subscribe to my patreon—I'm trying to get to $150/month to pay my Photoshop, Clip Studio, and Autodesk subscriptions. Also if we can get to $300 I'd get a better tablet to be able to get you better art and unlock new NSFW requests.

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Good painting is the kind that looks like sculpture. - Michelangelo
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The modern digital artist is a gatekeeper who doesn't even know how to draw on pencil and paper, and has allowed digital assistants to attrophy their potential. This is why their AI protests ring so hollow—they're unwilling to adopt the natural end point of the ideology. Either digital tools are assistants that help produce art, or they are a shortcut that corrupts the production of art. Those who are most anti-AI art are those who are most reliant on digital programs—they are unprincipled and unwilling to abandon their digital programs for physical art because they don't actually think digital tools or AI prevent something from being art or that effort (which physical art requires much more of) is what makes something art. Neither are they willing to fully embrace the natural end point of their digital tool assistants which would involve using AI.
 
Remember, these are the same faggots that told laid off coal miners to "learn to code" and repeat the Reddit mantra of "if an illegal immigrant took your job you should be embarrassed". I have no sympathy for any overly socialized theater kid who gets laid off by AI. I support going full accelerationist on automation until it's painfully apparent that shitskins serve no purpose.
By their logic we should all be like an RPG and have a balanced stat in everything just in case something new comes up. those Coal Miners should have had experience in coding before hand then they wouldn't be left behind and all these artists on the internet should have been learning how to code A.I just in case. Tech has always accelerated no matter how much the masses have tried to scream it back because humans just love to advance things.
 
By their logic we should all be like an RPG and have a balanced stat in everything just in case something new comes up.

They're not that smart. They truly believed that they the iPad kids raised on Tumblr, Stephen Universe and Glee would continue to be the most privileged generation on Earth and would never once face hardship. They really believed those couple years where ZOG let them believe they were the new ruling elite class was going to last forever and they're dealing with the culture shock.
 
They're not that smart. They truly believed that they the iPad kids raised on Tumblr, Stephen Universe and Glee would continue to be the most privileged generation on Earth and would never once face hardship. They really believed those couple years where ZOG let them believe they were the new ruling elite class was going to last forever and they're dealing with the culture shock.
the internet artists of that generation thought they had it made because it was in its infancy so they can get their commissions from their patreons or whatever other site and not feel threatened. Not to power level but i am also an artist but i know this kind of thing isn't lucrative so i have an actual job and do art for a little extra change on the side. As said plenty of times they constantly told people to adapt to ever changing industries now it's their industry that is changing and we're seeing the kicking and screaming despite A.I not having any reason or means to take away their business (other and better artists have already been doing that lol) but just it existing and being here with the potential to do what they been doing for years is as you said them dealing with culture shock. OP pointed out what a few told them in fact that while they were laughing at the silly faces and fingers models like 5 or 6 years ago people were telling them it would eventually evolve and get better yet most didn't believe them.
 
Honestly, if the artist backlash doesn't kill ai, the monitization will because of how hostile it is for causals who don't feel like setting up a content farm.

It's next to impossible to find a good ai service that just...works. And is free. They all require you to make an account, piss away 20 dollars a month, always have a retarded credit system so you always barely don't have enough to make your stupid meme. On top of that they often won't let you delete your account once you realize you got scammed. Lmao.

This WILL kill ai eventually because the casuals until it annoys them. No normie is going to spend more than 10 minutes trying to jump through hoops trying to make their memes before they give and either pay up or move on. Problem is that no one wants to spend 20 bucks pointlessly in this economy.
 
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