Business Valve responds as indie horror studio accuses Steam of 'censorship' for banning its game about nude human 'Horses' - Valve told Santa Ragione its game featured child exploitation but the studio says otherwise.

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Update: Reached for comment, Valve replied that its content review team "extensively" discussed in 2023 whether to reconsider its refusal to list Horses for sale on Steam, but ultimately held its decision. Valve's full statement reads:

We reviewed the game back in 2023. At that time, the developer indicated with their release date in Steamworks that they planned to release a few months later. Based on content in the store page, we told the developer we would need to review the build itself. This happens sometimes if content on the store page causes concern that the game itself might not fall within our guidelines. After our team played through the build and reviewed the content, we gave the developer feedback about why we couldn’t ship the game on Steam, consistent with our onboarding rules and guidelines. A short while later the developer asked us to reconsider the review, and our internal content review team discussed that extensively and communicated to the developer our final decision that we were not going to ship the game on Steam.

While Valve's statement doesn't provide much additional detail about its decision making, it explains why Santa Ragione was asked to provide a playable build for Horses before its store listing could be approved, which isn't typically required of developers until closer to their application's launch.

Original story follows.

On December 2, Italian game dev studio Santa Ragione will release Horses, a first-person horror adventure telling a story of "the burden of familial trauma and puritan values, the dynamics of totalitarian power, and the ethics of personal responsibility," using what the studio calls "grotesque, subversive imagery" of a ranch where nude human beings in horse masks are treated as animal livestock.

Prerelease demos of Horses have been honored at IndieCade, Day of the Devs, SXSW Sydney showcases, and SFMOMA exhibitions. But while it'll be available for $5 on Epic Games Store, GOG, Itch.io, and the Humble Store for $5, Santa Ragione says the launch of Horses will leave the studio at risk of closing—because in June 2023, after submitting the game for listing on Steam, Santa Ragione received an email from Valve saying Horses was banned from Steam for featuring "content that appears, in our judgment, to depict sexual conduct involving a minor."

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In a lengthy FAQ page about the Horses launch, Santa Ragione shares the full text of the alleged June 2023 content review email from Steam:

"After review, we will not be able to ship your game Horses on Steam. While we strive to ship most titles submitted to us, we found that this title features themes, imagery, or descriptions that we won’t distribute. Regardless of a developer’s intentions with their product, we will not distribute content that appears, in our judgment, to depict sexual conduct involving a minor. While every product submitted is unique, if your product features this representation—even in a subtle way that could be defined as a 'grey area'—it will be rejected by Steam. For instance, setting your game in a high school but declaring your characters are of legal age would fall into that category and be banned. This app has been banned and cannot be reused. Re-submissions of this app, even with modifications, will not be accepted."

Santa Ragione says it believes Valve's reasoning to be "deliberately vague and unfounded" and insists "there are no scenes or characters in the game that fall within that grey area." While Valve never clarified the specific reasoning for banning Horses, even after the months Santa Ragione said it spent unsuccessfully seeking further detail and appeals, the studio suspects the ban may have been provoked by what it says was an incomplete scene from the game's sixth day, when the ranch is visited by a man and his daughter.

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"The daughter wants to ride one of the horses (in the game the 'horses' are humans wearing a horse mask) and gets to pick which one," Santa Ragione says in its FAQ. "What followed was an interactive dialogue sequence where the player is leading, by a lead as if they were a horse, a naked adult woman with a young girl on her shoulders."

Santa Ragione maintains that, despite its fraught imagery, the unfinished scene—which has since been changed—was "not sexual in any way," and studio co-founder and director Pietro Righi Riva told PC Gamer that Steam's refusal to ship the game was "completely 100% unexpected."

"We never even considered the possibility of being banned without an opportunity to appeal or resubmit," Riva said, noting that Steam's onboarding documentation and content guidelines—which Valve continually directed the studio to after its refusal—doesn't mention the inability to resubmit or appeal game review decisions.

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Asked whether he thought an objection to the unfinished sequence was appropriate, Riva said that while he "doesn't think the scene is sexual in nature," he thinks "it's reasonable to object to the juxtaposition" of a young girl riding the shoulders of a nude, leashed woman.

"It's important to note," he said, "that the daughter model from the initial submission was 100% placeholder from the start." At the time, Santa Ragione had only completed character art for the game's protagonists.

"If they had told us that the inclusion was a problem, I wouldn't have objected and would have immediately complied to requests for changes. All we'd want are clear rules/feedback and a path to compliance," Riva said.

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According to Riva, Santa Ragione cut the scene from external demo builds while the studio was "figuring out what to change." Horses development resumed in late 2024, after which Santa Ragione began working on script editing and final character art. "That's when we redesigned that scene with the new character and dialogue," Riva said.

Santa Ragione says that, in the game's full release, "all characters in the game are clearly older than 20 years old, as communicated by their appearance and through dialogue and documents." That includes the daughter in the scene Valve likely objected to, "both to avoid the juxtaposition and more importantly because the dialogue delivered in that scene, which deals with the societal structure in the world of Horses, works much better when delivered by an older character."

Santa Ragione's FAQ states that Horses wasn't changed to "get onto other platforms" following Steam's refusal, even as Riva says the studio would have altered the scene at Steam's request. In the case of the Epic Games Store, though, it doesn't seem like the studio would have needed to make changes.

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Riva told PC Gamer that Santa Ragione submitted Horses to the Epic store at the same time as its Steam submission, but unlike Steam, the Epic store doesn't require a playable build review. Its content guidelines contain similar broad warnings as Steam's, and according to Riva, Epic's only issues with Horses' listing submission involved visible nudity in its screenshots, which Santa Ragione censored for the store listing. But the sequence in question wouldn't have provoked any concerns from Epic at the time if it wasn't being played.

However, if—as Riva explained—the unfinished Day 6 scene was cut from external builds until late 2024, that might mean it was absent from indie showcases and exhibitions where Horses had been honored.

While Steam doesn't disclose its 'no second chances' policy until it's in effect, it's easy to imagine the rationale: If a game is refused for depictions of child exploitation, it's probably better for everyone if its creators can't repeatedly test that boundary. But it's less easy to say that standard is being evenly applied if it means Horses is banned from the platform while games like Blue Archive, which features eroticized imagery of childlike characters with conveniently ambiguous ages, are being monetized without issue.

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In a press release, Santa Ragione says losing access to a platform where more than 75% of PC game sales are made preempted its chances of finding a publisher. While it has set aside funds for six months of post-launch support for Horses, the studio says it will wind down operations after the game's launch, with studio closure likely to follow.

The Horses ban, Santa Ragione says, "has nothing to do with the recent restriction on adult content pushed by payment processors; this decision was solely in the hands of Steam's curatorial team." However, it nonetheless calls the decision an act of "moralizing censorship."

"Games are an artistic medium and lawful works for adults should remain accessible. We respect players enough to present the game as intended and to let adults choose what to play; lawful works should not be made unreachable by a monopolistic storefront's opaque decisions," Santa Ragione said in its press release. "Steam publicly downplays human curation in favor of algorithmic sales optimization, yet intervenes with censorship when a game's artistic vision does not align with what the platform owners considers acceptable art."

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I genuinely want an explanation why you can buy Futanari Sister Incest Semen Explosion volume 3 on Steam right now but a horror game is banned.
 
The link you gave was to a goddamn ign article I still don’t know who the studio are or who runs it. But the fact that steam either on it own behest or under the coercion of the payment processors has decided to shut a game down that hasn’t done anything illegal, to my knowledge, is terrible. And you screaming pedo at anyone who says otherwise is incredibly bad faith
Ok, refute the article then. I don’t like IGN either, but that’s directly from one of the devs. Broken clocks and all that.

There’s nothing bad faith about calling out people pretending to be stupid about why Steam rejected the game. At a certain point, that’s just running defense for the material.
 
I genuinely want an explanation why you can buy Futanari Sister Incest Semen Explosion volume 3 on Steam right now but a horror game is banned.

Because those porn games feature only adults and the games that feature younger characters are typically cleaned up of explicit content or has the child removed all together to get past steam's review process with a patch on the dev's website to add it back in.

Even if it is a horror game, the dev had a scene mixing pony play and a child together which valve thought was crossing the line and held firm on that.
 
my milanegga Andrea was a fool to put such faith in Valve, to make his years worth of effort depend on their decision making.
 
Ok, refute the article then. I don’t like IGN either, but that’s directly from one of the devs. Broken clocks and all that.

There’s nothing bad faith about calling out people pretending to be stupid about why Steam rejected the game. At a certain point, that’s just running defense for the material.
The last part of the article is literal hearsay. It is bad faith to presuppose that everyone that disagrees with you is a pedophile. Steam should only reject games on a strictly legal basis. Allowing any platform the ability to regulate expression, artistic, or otherwise is dangerous and should be stomped into the ground
 
Steam should only reject games on a strictly legal basis.
In the United States (the country Valve is based in) depictions of 3d-animated children engaged in sexual acts do count as child porn. Before someone quips about "BUT MY LOLI/SHOTA GAME IS ON STEAM!", 2d images of children still don't count as CP in America (or most other countries). Valve is taking the legally safe option.
 
The last part of the article is literal hearsay. It is bad faith to presuppose that everyone that disagrees with you is a pedophile. Steam should only reject games on a strictly legal basis. Allowing any platform the ability to regulate expression, artistic, or otherwise is dangerous and should be stomped into the ground
This is why I’m saying it though. You types keep acting like it’s all super nebulous and who knows??? when one of the devs said it himself:

At that time, Riva recalls, Horses was only halfway done. So, the staff at Santa Ragione decided to pull several all-nighters in hopes that even a rough version with "a ton of placeholders" would persuade Valve to approve it. However, that didn’t happen. After another long pause, the studio received a rejection. Steam Support explained this by citing the presence of a "sexually explicit scene involving minors" in Horses, but didn’t specify where they saw such content in the game. Subsequently, Santa Ragione repeatedly attempted to contest the decision, but to no avail.

Riva suspects that Valve might have disapproved of a scene where a father and his young daughter visit the farm, and the girl decides to ride one of the "horses." According to the developers, the scene lacks any sexual undertones; nonetheless, over time, they replaced the girl with an older woman.

(Link) (original interview with dev)

It’s not hearsay. You literally couldn’t disprove it, yet you’re still running defense for the pedo game. This isn’t a matter of disagreement. You people claim it didn’t happen, I’m showing you it did, you don’t counter with any evidence to the contrary. That’s why I think you types are (barely) closeted pedos.
 
Oh man, you never seen art hoes before. Plenty of "artists" use art as an excuse to force their fetishes upon the wider public from masturbating with spaghettios in front of an audience to haveing a giant santa holding a buttplug "tree" in a town square, degenerates are going to be degenerate in the name of art. This game is literally just BDSM pony play presented as surreal horror, people are allowed to suspect that the creator is making this game for more than solely artistic reasons.
The examples you listed (and from what I seen IRL) are fundamentally different. Again, there are no elements of titillation, and in particular the hallmarks of animal BDSM shit from what is seen so far. Nothing is even framed in a fetish content way. Its like calling Papers Please a forced stripping fetish game because of the full body scan mechanic.
It’s not hearsay. You literally couldn’t disprove it, yet you’re still running defense for the pedo game. This isn’t a matter of disagreement. You people claim it didn’t happen, I’m showing you it did, you don’t counter with any evidence to the contrary. That’s why I think you types are (barely) closeted pedos.
>Cut scene devs themselves describe as not being sexual, especially in terms of intent, means its A P E D O game
>If you dare question this logic, YOU MUST BE A PEDO
Retard levels that shouldn't even be possible.jpg
 
"Listen, listen I don't fuck toasters. I am not a toaster fucker don't engage in slander. But I've thought a lot about the ethics of toaster fucking, wrote a novel-length essay on it, and will now die on that hill. It should be illegal to reject toaster fucking content. What about all the blender fuckers? Haha but for real I don't fuck toasters."
 
Got banned from Epic Games, too.

Horses, the Upsetting Horror Game Previously Banned on Steam, Gets Last Minute Ban From Epic Games Store Too​

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Last week, we reported that disturbing horror game Horses had been banned from Steam, with developer Santa Ragione claiming that Valve refused to provide a clear reason for the ban or discuss it further with the studio. Now, at the last possible minute before the game was set to release widely across other PC store fronts, Epic Games Store has also banned Horses.

This news was shared with us by Santa Ragione, who passed on a press release stating that Epic informed them 24 hours before the game's release that it would not be distributing Horses, despite the studio's build being approved for release weeks earlier. Per the developer, no specifics on what content was at issue were provided, "only broad and demonstrably incorrect claims that it violated their content guidelines." The studio has shared the text of the email sent to them from Epic banning the game, which an Epic Games Store representative has confirmed is accurate. It is as follows:
We are unable to distribute Horses on the Epic Games Store because our review found violations of the Epic Games Store Content Guidelines, specifically the ‘Inappropriate Content’ and ‘Hateful or Abusive Content’ policies. The ‘Inappropriate Content’ policy prohibits content which “contains explicit or frequent depictions of sexual behavior or not appropriately labeled, rated, or age-gated.” The ‘Hateful or Abusive Content’ policy prohibits content that promotes abuse and animal abuse. This content is prohibited by our Guidelines and cannot be distributed on the Epic Games Store. Additionally, when we [Epic] filled out the IARC Questionnaire based on the content that we reviewed, it received an Adult Only (AO) rating. Products with AO ratings cannot be distributed on the Epic Games Store (the only exception is for products in cases where an AO rating was applied solely due to the usage of blockchain or NFT technology). You have some options on how to move forward: 1. You can make updates to your product to ensure compliance and resubmit it for review. 2. If you believe we made a mistake, you also have the ability to appeal this decision. You can appeal by replying to this email or creating a private discussion on our Developer Support site. Select "Epic Games Store" as the topic. 3. You cannot change the title or content to repurpose it for another game. If you choose not to move forward, we'll refund your submission fee for this product.
When Santa Ragione appealed, the studio says it was denied 12 hours later "without further explanation." Notably, the studio has also stated on social media that its own IARC Questionnaire submission came back with an "M" for "Mature" rating rather than "AO". It is unclear what caused the discrepancy.

As Santa Ragione explains the situation:
Epic's decision comes after the overwhelming support Santa Ragione received last week upon the disclosure of Steam's ban, including the public announcement by Epic's and Steam's competitor GOG that they would promote and support the game. We do not know what triggered Epic's sudden decision. Following the announcement of Steam's ban, Horses became highly visible online, with strong support and a small but vocal opposition. It is difficult not to wonder whether this visibility played a greater role in Epic's choice than any newly discovered issue with the game itself.
IGN asked Epic Games for comment, and received the following statement from communications director Jake Jones: "We set clear guidelines for the content that can be distributed on the Epic Games Store and found violations of those guidelines during our extensive review."

At the time of this article's publication, Horses is still listed as "Coming Soon" on the Epic Games Store.

Bet the guy wished he'd charged $15 for this shit.
 
I've played a Santa Ragione game in the past, Mediterranea Inferno specifically, got it from one of the Humble Bundles.
Is it worth the full price? As I said I got it in the bundle so I'm biased, It is actually three times the price of this game, around 15 USD, and it is way shorter, it took me less than 2 hours to beat it, and honestly? I really enjoyed it for what it was.
It had an interesting artstyle, good music, a decent story with neat gameplay gimmicks, and it was replayable with different routes.

Now after seeing that this game was made by the same guys and it was banned from steam, I was interested in it.
Not because I expected it to be good, I saw the trailer and it looks like hot dogshit, edgy to be edgy, sexual to be sexual, as Peter Griffin said once "It Insists upon itself", and my opinion has changed since I've played it (btw I didn't buy it, thanks GOG)
This game is NOT worth 5 dollars, it's not even worth 1 dollar, I'd rather buy Bad Rats than this shit.

It is filled with FMV scenes you have to see over and over whenever you do any task.
Water a plant? Watch a FMV of someone watering that plant, water another different plant? Watch a different FMV of someone watering that plant.
Eat food? Watch the same FMV of someone eating food over and over.
Fill up a dog bowl with food? Watch the same FMV of someone filling up the bowl over and over again.
I argue that 30-45 minutes of this game is just FMVs.

The music is shit (there is one track for the entire time you are playing) and there is only one form of gameplay.
Go here, do/grab x, go over there, do/grab X.
Even then there are days where you don't do shit except "talk" (listen to the farmer or one horse) speak.
There is nothing interesting gameplay wise, this would suit better as a Visual Novel (which funnily enough Mediterranea Inferno is, but it has more consistent gameplay than this shitty game)
Actually I take that back because the "choices" you are given mean nothing, they are just Thumbs Up/Down or Happy/Sad Faces, and from what I can tell your decisions don't matter and there are no other routes.
I tried fucking with the game and people but I was constantly railroaded down one path.

Now for the story, the "content" of the game, the "message" since it wants to be "arthouse"
If you wanna know the story just read the god damn Game Description.
It's as deep as that, the story is extremely surface level like it wasn't thought about.

The Farmer has a Farm with Horses (humans) on it.
He turned his Crush, her BF who cucked him and made him watch, and his Mom and Dad, into horses (which was all told in like 2 drawings), as for the rest we have no clue why they are there.
At the end of the game there is one couple he caught having sex on his farm so he turned them into horses cause.....just because ok???
For the rest of the horses you don't get anything on them, you don't get to know them or talk to them or anything. Except for two, one you meet (and by meet I mean she offers to suck you off) called Linda, and she is trying to escape the farm (WOW who coulda seen this coming) and 1 other horse you are told about ONE day before he appears and uhhh, he is also trying to get everyone off the farm.

The ending consists of you being tied to a table by the Farmer, and him right about to stab you with a syringe full of Dog Blood, Cum and Urine to turn you into a Pet Dog for him, when suddenly Linda attacks, saves you, and you both inject the Farmer with Horse Blood, Urine and Semen which makes him act like a horse...I'm fucking serious.
Then for some reason, you wear a horse mask, then alongside all the horses (and now the Farmer who is a horse) leave the farm and run into the hills.

The scene they altered to remove the Little girl from is out of place and makes no sense, you never meet them again, they speak cryptically and that's it.
If anything the scene makes it even more questionable WHY they used a Child as a placeholder model in the first place cause the dialogue doesn't at all reference their age in any form, or relation to their parents.
There is no scenes with children in any shape or form, not even a photo, nothing where it'd make sense for them to use it as a placeholder, or even why he'd have a model of a young girl on his hard drive.

There is no shock, there is no horror, there is nothing to this game.
The only time I felt uncomfortable was when they'd have audio of the person eating/drinking.
This game isn't art, this game says nothing, does nothing and shows nothing.
There is nothing to discuss in this game, I really tried my best to make this post not sound like rambling but everything is so disjointed I just can't help it.

Should this game have been banned from Steam/Epic?
No, but purely because the game shouldn't have been on Steam/Epic or any marketplace in the first place, there is no value to this game.
This is some shitty game you would find on itch.io and play for free.

This game was not worth risking your entire fucking studio on, these retards got scammed into making this.
This game is something you can make in a week with less than 100 dollars, this is something you'd make in a gamejam.
The creator clearly has a fetish fanfic he wrote for himself to jerk off to and sold it off to these retards for 50k under the guise of it being deep, meaningful, le arte.
Everyone who worked on this game for 2 years deserved to be scammed and have their studio shut down.
 
too bad it's not something wholesome and normal for video games
like shooting people in the face and squatting on their corpses
The games you are referencing have those things occur in the context of combat (where it make sense to be “shooting people in the face”), usually multiplayer competitive games, where the presentation is usually either lighthearted (Fortnite), fantasy (Halo), or action movie-like (CoD) — and the “teabagging” is never something that games have as a feature and is just players making crouching over a fallen opponent into something meant to be disrespectful.

As for sex, there are a ton of sex games on the market right now for your gooning pleasure. The problem with this particular game is the weird European obsession with featuring children in sexually suggestive situations.
 
I just played Baby Steps not to long ago and it has this naked mule men in it and it's not banned. :thinking:
 
I genuinely want an explanation why you can buy Futanari Sister Incest Semen Explosion volume 3 on Steam right now but a horror game is banned.
does Futanari Sister Incest Semen Explosion Volume 3 have any children characters? no, a tall anime girl with a young looking face and double G breasts does not count despite what radfems tell you

if there are children anywhere in the game the scrutiny is increased 100 fold. it was banned because children are the one thing Steam gets anal about. if there's a child around a naked person or even a semi-naked person or if there's any mention of adult themes anywhere else in the game that's close enough to get it nuked
 
Riva suspects that Valve might have disapproved of a scene where a father and his young daughter visit the farm, and the girl decides to ride one of the "horses." According to the developers, the scene lacks any sexual undertones; nonetheless, over time, they replaced the girl with an older woman.
If I recall correctly, getting flagged for that rule break basically blacklists the game from ever getting on Steam. I don't know what sort of logic there is to consider a little girl placeholder model for a scene that even treads that line. Getting a ban for that causes word to travel fast too, which is why I'm not surprised Epic and Humble have also delisted it. I imagine general nervousness surrounding payment processors contribute, but a 3D version of the scene everyone is mentioning is gonna be a death sentence for store approval.

It's not even a hard rule to dodge, the slants do it all the time. A particularly egregious example I got told of by a friend (that I still remember) is Magical Girl Celesphonia. In which all they did to dodge the rule break was remove sex CGs from the pre-patch Steam version, change dialogue a little, then just remove the stripes and such from the sailor uniform the main character has on. That's it.

You can still fail approval for unknown reasons (a fair few Jap titles, usually VNs, get hit with this) or fail approval no matter what you suggest (if I remember right Rance still isn't allowed on Steam despite Alicesoft suggesting removing all sex scenes from the Steam version and so on). But more often than not it's the Japs who get that trouble.

I do still feel that this is one big marketing stunt for a game that looks like mediocre artwank. Reminds me of that other artwank studio that shuttered when Steam introduced the 2 hour refund policy.
 
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