💊 Manosphere Braden Peters / Clavicular / ylrven - Moderator on looksmax.org, roid rat, takes out loans for cosmetic surgery, can't talk to women without doping, DIY surgeon

Honey, this is a thread about BRADEN, not your gay fanfics where you mog him and his bro so they let you fuck him. Please make a separate thread if you want to gloat about your bone structure driving gay men crazy with suicide.
Technically he does, his original, notable thread where he wrote this self-glaze about inferior men needing to accept reality or some gay shit like that...

Well before he basically ran into a thread about a CSAM ring being exposed and ran defense for Lolicon/Shotacon material.

So, now he can't return to it and has to pretend it doesn't exist to ignore what happened :smug:
 
Honey, this is a thread about BRADEN, not your gay fanfics where you mog him and his bro so they let you fuck him
Listen all I'm saying is there's a reason Looksmaxxers always attracts "Vingles" of the world.

They know exactly what they are operating on :tomgirl:
 
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Edit to my edit: Look how fucking smug that guy is when she says she's 17. He's drowing in box but he has to groom a child to get anything, huh Turquoise? I'm going to relish the day he keels over, I have no greater hatred than the hate I reserve for groomers/pedophiles. I hope her dad/brother lynches him when she OD's on something he gave her.

"Groom a child", get outta here. Clav himself is still a teenager. Many developed countries set the bar at 16. He probably goes for 17 year olds because there's a higher chance her body count is under 20.
 
"Groom a child", get outta here. Clav himself is still a teenager. Many developed countries set the bar at 16.
I'll play devil's advocate and don't mind that he's 19 dating someone 17, but I worry much more about him enticing her with drugs since he's on the addict dive. I also worry because he's a controlling insecure retard, and I'm not convinced he isn't sharing fluid without condoms with other men and might give her a disease. ...that is, if he has sex with her and not just uses her as a prop.

Whatever it is, she chose badly with him.

He probably goes for 17 year olds because there's a higher chance her body count is under 20.
Nah, he went for a woman younger than him because it would emasculate him if his wife was older. Currently, he has to go under 19 because... he's 19. Again, it's easy to forget he's 19 since he aged his face hard, but at least it is within a reasonable age range. He also had to find a woman into being a status object rather than a person, and fortunately young women are more likely to do extra dumb shit like that because he can hook her up with drugs or sitems.

He also goes for younger women because they look more boyish. BECAUSE HE SUCKS DICK FOR COCK.
 
"Groom a child", get outta here. Clav himself is still a teenager. Many developed countries set the bar at 16. He probably goes for 17 year olds because there's a higher chance her body count is under 20.
Clav is over the age of legal majority, and is absolutely grooming her. Again, it becomes grooming when you start a giving a minor drugs.

They could be the same age, but when one person is coercing the other into drug use, they're a groomer. Besides, nearly being 20 and dating a highschooler is fucking gross in its own right. It's not hard to find "pure" women, you niggers just don't know what you're talking about.

It's a fantasyland that retards have crafted where women are somehow highly promiscous creatures that fall over themselves when they see a guy who makes good money or doesn't look like hot dogshit, but men have to squabble for scraps.

Believe it or not, it's not difficult to get laid as a guy, and pretty women tend to be less promiscuous than ugly women.

Looksfagging is just cope for people who at their core are unlikeable vapid faggots who repulse both women AND men. If Clav and the other members of the .org cum guzzling tribe weren't so fucking vacuous, they could skip the meth smoking entirely.

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I'll play devil's advocate and don't mind that he's 19 dating someone 17, but I worry much more about him enticing her with drugs since he's on the addict dive. I also worry because he's a controlling insecure retard, and I'm not convinced he isn't sharing fluid without condoms with other men and might give her a disease. ...that is, if he has sex with her and not just uses her as a prop.

Whatever it is, she chose badly with him.
Bingo, if he was 23 dating a 21 year old, it wouldn't matter, but 17 is still a kid, and though he's not that much older, he absolutely has a "status" advantage that he can use to coerce her.
Nah, he went for a woman younger than him because it would emasculate him if his wife was older. Currently, he has to go under 19 because... he's 19. Again, it's easy to forget he's 19 since he aged his face hard, but at least it is within a reasonable age range. He also had to find a woman into being a status object rather than a person, and fortunately young women are more likely to do extra dumb shit like that because he can hook her up with drugs or sitems.
Again, right on the money, this is one of the biggest reasons I think Fuentes and WomenPropaganda are massive fags. When you have to go after a woman who's mentally un-developed, it really just shows that you're a weak chinned manlet who can't lead someone who can actually think.
He also goes for younger women because they look more boyish. BECAUSE HE SUCKS DICK FOR COCK!
Yeah he's a fag alright.
 
Clav is over the age of legal majority, and is absolutely grooming her. Again, it becomes grooming when you start a giving a minor drugs.
The main problem is the drug thing. You can split hairs on grooming, but drugs make people dependent on their source.
They could be the same age, but when one person is coercing the other into drug use, they're a groomer. Besides, nearly being 20 and dating a highschooler is fucking gross in its own right.
I'm wondering if he's pulling her away from schooling. She should finish her high school diploma before, well, doing anything with Braden. If she chooses to drop out to travel with him, it would be a terrible choice on her part.

It's not hard to find "pure" women, you niggers just don't know what you're talking about.
I think it's around half of 18 year olds in the USA have had sex. I'm highly doubting that the experience is lopsided and skewed towards young women having sex with all the pretty dudes or older dudes only. I'm pretty sure most of it was consensual sex between a young couple, not a casual fling, and not a body count above 1 or 2 for the most part (likely with 1 partner they have or have had for a while, a couple). Being a young person in a relationship is awkward, there's several young couples who decide not to have sex or break up before either got comfortable with the idea. There's a lot of pressure to perform in different ways on both sides, so many will wait until they're more mature, find a partner they trust, and so on.

Women also have to hold some kind of high trust with a man before they let him stick their penis in them: there's a ton that can go wrong. A lot of women who are in Braden's desired bracket, upperclass, have standards since they were already born into money. Usually, they're taught to value themselves, or at leas not to throw themselves at any man with a pretty face so they don't get abducted or pregnant or disgrace the family for sleeping with some retard or what have you.

Women of the upperclass also look for partners who bring something to the table for the most part as they want someone who's doing something with their life. Sometimes it's to be taken care of, but a lot of upperclass women are still studying for careers and want men as active as they are. What the fuck is Clav bringing? Drugs? Broke dick? Most women pass him by like a lepper if they're looking for an actual long term partner. Women who want a quick fling? Sure, but not every woman is out there doing that, and Clav NEEDS to have a pretty woman from a high class background to show he is a HIGH VALUE ALPHA CHAD. So the best he can do? A young woman still in high school, enticing her with his streamer life and probably drugs, I guess. She's still in high school, she's likely not thinking about what his prospects are since he got kicked out of school for being a massive retard.


Bingo, if he was 23 dating a 21 year old, it wouldn't matter, but 17 is still a kid, and though he's not that much older, he absolutely has a "status" advantage that he can use to coerce her.
Basically, if it wasn't likely that she is still in high school, it would be better. If she chose to neglect her studies on her own, she's an idiot, but better than doing it under the influence of someone else. If she was doing drugs and over 18, I'd still think it would be terrible, but being still in school where you need your brain still and hanging around our looxkmaxxing god who loves getting into harder and harder drugs... yeah, that sets off alarm bells.


When you have to go after a woman who's mentally un-developed, it really just shows that you're a weak chinned manlet who can't lead someone who can actually think.
"Uh excuse me all women are mentally underdeveloped people who can't think, that's why I have sex with women for children and status, and a loving man to man deep relationship with several of my best male friends, since they're the only ones who get me." :squirtle:
 
In most of Europe, the age of consent is 14 or 15*, although they sometimes stipulate that a 14 year old is limited to relations with someone x years older, that kind of thing. Calling him a pedo and a groomer because his fuck buddy, who is only 2 years younger, falls short of some arbitrarily drawn line is stupid. Their relationship wouldn't even raise an eyebrow in much of the developed world.

Also, I hope Clav gets the leg lengthening and jaw surgeries and has at least a 12 month run as Giga-Chad before his organs tap out. Watching this boring, self-obsessed autist vacuum up the vagina while the dating coaches tell ugly manlets they just need to hold frame is why I have a modem. I see Clav as the Rich Piana of the dating world, except not as sensible as Rich.

*For what it's worth, I think those laws might need re-examining.
 
In most of Europe, the age of consent is 14 or 15*, although they sometimes stipulate that a 14 year old is limited to relations with someone x years older, that kind of thing. Calling him a pedo and a groomer because his fuck buddy, who is only 2 years younger, falls short of some arbitrarily drawn line is stupid. Their relationship wouldn't even raise an eyebrow in much of the developed world.
Man I love how you just ignored the main point of why it's a groomer relationship
Again, it becomes grooming when you start a giving a minor drugs.

They could be the same age, but when one person is coercing the other into drug use, they're a groomer
The main problem is the drug thing. You can split hairs on grooming, but drugs make people dependent on their source.
 
Calling him a pedo and a groomer because his fuck buddy, who is only 2 years younger, falls short of some arbitrarily drawn line is stupid.
I think that's more reasonable. Groomer has become too synonymous with "pedo" nowadays, the more accurate term with the proper connotation would be calling him a drug pusher because he's, well, a drug pusher. He does it to anyone, including teenage males, trying to make them take his crazy path of roiding at 14.

I think most of the thread were trying to calculate how else he got a girlfriend to date him longer than two weeks or occasional fuck buddy. It wasn't his stunning personality, that's all the thread could figure out. Being a pusher for plastic surgery and drugs makes more sense. Yeah, you could call it grooming if he conditioned and pushed her into further usage of either, but grooming and groomer is too close to pedo in internet slang to use anymore. There's a high chance he is taking advantage of her in some way since he does it to everyone, but we don't have concrete evidence yet to give a hard answer, just an educated guess.

As long as we can all agree that he is a gay douchebag and we would not have sex with him, I'm fine with that. *Edit: and the current girlfriend should not be anywhere near him like all humans who aren't fellow lookmaxxing roidtards.
 
here near him like all humans who aren't fellow lookmaxxing roidtards.

The problem is, lookmaxxing works. And steroids work. And jaw implants work. It's a case of how much and how far you gonna go.

Funnily though, female looksmaxxing seems to have a much less pronounced effect. Or perhaps it's that modern females don't actually know how to looksmax. After all, they're not as autistic or analytical as men.

A toned lower half is attractive to most men and probably the most effective form of female looksmaxxing. Heavy make up, plastic tits and dyed hair though... I'm not so sure.
 
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The problem is, lookmaxxing works. And steroids work. And jaw implants work. It's a case of how much and how far you gonna go.
On paper yes, but it doesn't fix the core issue that most looksmaxxers are repulsive degens at the end of the day. If your goal is the occasional ONS then sure, but I guarantee you you'll pick up chicks at a bar if you're moderately well built and funny, women rate looks as the least important part of physical attraction funnily enough.

Once you realize that women care more about what you do versus how you look (to an extent), you'll realize that looksfagging is really only effective if your goal is to sexually posture to other men (gay).

And yeah, you could say groomer is synonymous with pedo at this point (which we have evidence of Clav being), but it's not exclusive to children.
 
Funnily though, female looksmaxxing seems to have a much less pronounced effect. Or perhaps it's that modern females don't actually know how to looksmax. After all, they're not as autistic or analytical as men.

A toned lower half is attractive to most men and probably the most effective form of female looksmaxxing. Heavy make up, plastic tits and dyed hair though... I'm not so sure.
God, this is autistic.

If your goal is the occasional ONS then sure, but I guarantee you you'll pick up chicks at a bar if you're moderately well built and funny, women rate looks as the least important part of physical attraction funnily enough

A critical part of looksmaxxing some seem to ignore is "And then what?"

Alright, you attracted the girl. How will you keep her once she's attracted? Do you have hobbies you both share? Do you have shared goals and interests? Do you like to go out and do similar stuff as each other on dates? Can both of you make each other laugh? Can you at least try hers and see what happens? Did you just get to looks and now all you have is a lot of facts about looksmaxing and not much else in that brain?

Lookmaxxing isn't the best route for all men: I say this as someone who's seen several gen X & Zs get married. Sometimes, just taking care of yourself by washing yourself regularly, figuring out which hairstyles suit your face properly, having clothes that fit properly and complement you, and keeping up basic exercise can go a long way. Girls love a guy who doesn't smell like mega ass.

Lookmaxxing is also best done in moderation, and should have a stop point. We talked about how Braden can't stop getting surgeries because he's insecure and got into steroids because he was terribly insecure. If you need to looksmax to feel better or your problems are that dire, go with gentle, sublte changes instead of extreme ones. Find a surgeon who actually specializes in naturalness, have a surgery or two, and if you still feel inadequate - go to therapy. I don't mean that in a mean way, I mean that in make sure you don't have a case of body dysmorphia that makes your problem worse, and worse, and worse. When you get rid of a big insecurity, your brain can feel trained to obsess over something, and is compelled to find something elsd to ruminate over thanks to it being trained into normalcy for the brain and it wants to keep "normal". Obsessive Compulsive thoughts can lead into a downwards spiral, and being able to train your brain like you can train your muscles is important. It will help make you more confident which is highly attractive to potential friends and partners.

There are some people with noticeably awkard faces, like receded chins or very bulbous noses, but confidence and actually being fun to hang out with tends to be the problem most men who have a hard time getting dates face. Learning to socalize, getting a better attitude towards life if you're a doomer, and focusing on yourself helps get chicks more. Find tutors who help with that aspect.

The other problem is what some men value. Chasing after an ideal 10/10 well bred rich girl as a status symbol instead of looking for a woman who actually complements your interests, enjoys a decent portion of what you enjoy, and can work well with you will hurt you in the long run. What, are you going to marry a woman, then keep hinting she needs surgeries as she ages/has kids like Nick Rekeita did, and then look for a younger model to fuck anyway because she's not what she was? If your goal is to always have a hot trophy wife, you're going to be cycling through wives like rich guys do because your brain says "I need to show my worth with something shiny and new", not "I'm building a long relationship and those require work to occasionally fall back in love after you lost the spark." That doesn't include things like her getting into a horrible drug problem, definitely leave. And sometimes things just don't work out either for whatever reason.

Constantly having one night stands in your twenties can be fun, but you have to figure out if you're the type of guy who wants to commit or the type who wants to hoe around as long as possible. And you have to figure out if you actually want to be a hoe, or if it covers up your insecurities by adding 1 point with every woman you get so you can gloat about it to people because your brain tells you you're a failure if you don't.

That's my long autistic rant for the day done, please enjoy my own autism.

And yeah, you could say groomer is synonymous with pedo at this point (which we have evidence of Clav being),
Oh god, I'm going to have to dig back through the thread to remember this. :lossmanjack:
 
"Do you have hobbies you both share? Do you have shared goals and interests? Do you like to go out and do similar stuff as each other on dates? Can both of you make each other laugh?"

Yup, I know this will shock the world, but women are people who also have interests, I didn't believe at first when my wife and I started dating either.

"Constantly having one night stands in your twenties can be fun, but you have to figure out if you're the type of guy who wants to commit"

Ehh, sleeping around is actually pretty terrible if you actually want to settle down, for both men amd women. It completely fucks your pair bonding mechanisms and turns sex purely transactional (for women), and into an ego boosting ritual (for men).

"Oh god, I'm going to have to dig back through the thread to remember this. :lossmanjack:"



"I wish she was my sister, uhh, I mean stepsister rather"

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"God, this is autistic."

Total Looksfagger Death
 
The problem is, lookmaxxing works. And steroids work. And jaw implants work. It's a case of how much and how far you gonna go.

Funnily though, female looksmaxxing seems to have a much less pronounced effect. Or perhaps it's that modern females don't actually know how to looksmax. After all, they're not as autistic or analytical as men.

A toned lower half is attractive to most men and probably the most effective form of female looksmaxxing. Heavy make up, plastic tits and dyed hair though... I'm not so sure.
"Works" is relative. It probably works to get pussy, I wouldn't know. What I do know is that being a drunk idiot with a sense of humor also works to get pussy, as does being a good conversationalist, as does having even a miniscule modicum of perceived status or celebrity, as does having a modest amount of material wealth. There are a whole lot of ways to get pussy, because pussy isn't hard to get. In fact pussy is easier to get than ever because young women are being inundated with psyops telling them that it's hip and empowering to be sexually promiscuous at the exact same time that young men are being inundated with psyops telling them that pussy is hard to get and you have to be rich and get leg surgery and hit yourself in the face with a hammer. It's trivially easy, there is less competition than ever, there is more female promiscuity than ever, you basically just have to hold a conversation which is probably why autists think it's such a daunting accomplishment. And like most things that are trivially easy, it's really not that rewarding. At the end of the day you're just pulling the type of retard who thinks it's a good idea to sleep around with random men; congrats, you caught the slow gazelle. It doesn't stack up against a real relationship, and it's not conducive to a real relationship because nobody you pull that way is going to be worth anything, meanwhile you're taking time and energy you could be investing in being an interesting person with an interesting life and wasting it on the most innane womanly bulllshit conceivable.


It's not stupid because it doesn't work, it's stupid because you're planning a bank heist to steal the garbage from the dumpster behind the bank. Y'all're doing way too much, you put pussy on a pedestal and it makes you act like spergs which is why you strike out which is why you think you need to smash your face with a hammer to get laid. It is very funny.
 
i don’t think i’ve mentioned this in the thread but i saw clav out in public once while he was on stream. i saw him walk pass the bar i was at with a nigger holding a light and two (questionable) white women following him.

i would’ve walked up and said something but i was taking advantage of the bars happy hour and got a little too fucked up
 
You actually believe this?
The average person in life... looks average, so yeah you gotta evaluate more than just looks. Especially when the average guy barely puts any effort in to look unique or dresses in their own style. Also, if you've never noticed, the things women like in men are weird and can be on all men. It's very popular for women to go nuts over veiny arms/hands for example, irrelevant to the man's hottness on paper. FFS, there is a huge fanbase on tumblr for Steve Buschemi quite literally because he is a sweetheart and in part because him being ugly makes them want to care for him and find unconvention beauty in him. Women went nuts over Alfred Molina as Doc Oc cause him being a character actor means he had great screen presence. Gordon Ramsay gets panties wet purely on personality too, the american kitchen nightmares was filled with girls going, "oh my god, he's so old and wrinkly...and yet....".

Also stereotypically women are worrying about more than just "will he produce hot kids and look good coming through the door after work", we question if the guy is going to be controlling, not respect our intelligence as a partner in the relationship, hide things from us, cheat (I know girls who avoid super hot guys like the plague out of fear cause they know they could just go out and fuck someone else), beat us, etc. Girls will also find a guy and turn him into a project half the time out of some weird imagined potential they think they see even if he's super uggo.

Also none of this goes into the fact that girls with low self esteem will looksmatch themselves with guys they think they're on the same level as even if they're not. There's a reason guys go for them and in the age of instagram, trust me, self esteem in women is lower than ever so even the hot girls think they're not good enough to keep a chad. Again, if they're not already avoiding Chad cause they don't want to be cheated on.

I don't really know where I'm going with this but basically things aren't smash or pass in women's minds, especially when it comes to relationships. Not saying appearances have no part in attraction because that's naive as shit, but it's far more complicated than how "Chad-like" you are. Women aren't a monolith and are not all attracted to one beauty type and are happy with men with simply some of their favourite features on a man. Plus, smash or pass mentality is mostly in immature young women and those not interested in real relationships like those who just fuck at the club and/or serially date without getting serious.
ETA: Also when the emotional connection is made, most women don't see looks to the point that their friends typically point out when their partners stop caring how they look while the woman will excuse and still feel attracted to the guy. Barring like a 100lb weight gain or something like that. Lots of girls come out of the relationship before they realise they don't find the guy attractive on a physical level anymore. The emotional connection had to be severed for it.
Back to Clav, one of the things I'm reminded of when it comes to him is this old PSA I saw being passed around to teenage girls back in the day. The question to them was, "are you actually unfuckable/unsexy, or are you still a child?". Because honestly, teenagers are typically comparing themselves to those between 22-32 who have completed puberty and most importantly for their faces, lost their baby fat and baby looks which some people keep through their early 20s. With age, Clav likely would have naturally developed into a decently attractive dude, but he convinced himself he had to look this way before even hitting his 20s and fell for the psyop (probably by proactive and accutane) that your skin in your teens is supposedly the best you get (even though they eat like shit and have hormonal issues). FFS, the 17 year old girl he's "dating" is doing the same thing, using makeup to make herself look like a "sexy adult", meanwhile I'd bet her face out of makeup looks no different than most other high schoolers. Child-like, because that's what she is even as a teen.
 
I’m not 5'8 anymore. I grew
I can't take this shit seriously. Are you actually trying to convince strangers on the Internet that you're still growing as an adult? This gives me the same vibes as a 12 year old exclaiming they're 12 and a half so they should be allowed to watch a PG-13 movie. I've never heard anyone older than 10 exclaim that they're still growing. This is some seriously sad shit.
 
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Oh, but yes, they're not sourpuss whiners. And they decided to make something of life, have a problem-solving mentality, have hobbies, and are overall decent people.
Yup, that's what I'm trying to convey, I've been the sourpuss terminally online NEET, definitely a losing strategy, but I didn't have to sit around bone(r) smashing to overcome that, because the whole problem was always a deficiency in my outlook.

I get that people are put under an immense amount of mental programming nowadays, especially with social media, but holy shit it's not some arcane art you have to learn. These charisma coaches and PUA influencers entire existence is predicated and built on the fact that young men just don't understand how to get from behind their screens.

I had a female coworker for years whose husband is 5'3", and she fucking adores him, because he has a good attitude. And he's blue collar, definitely not a daddy war bucks situation.
 
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