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It’s coming from the not unreasonable idea that the new generation of combat optics have gotten to the point where even a mediocre shot can be accurate out to 600m. The million dollar question is if the optics will hold up in combat conditions.
Those things are a death trap, they shoot lasers all over the place, everything military now a days is covered in laser and EMF detectors head to toe. As soon as you try and get your firing solution you're going to get killed. If I'm trying to kill people I don't want anything that puts out a signal but my walkie-talkie. I'm not even sure that IR lasers for NVG's are a good idea in present day.
 
No, it is an unreasonable idea. Even the best of optics won't solve the fundamental problem of lack of marksmanship, as in grunts being able to hold the fucking rifle steady when pulling the trigger. Additionally, that optic still doesn't solve the issue of "we can't see enemies beyond 400M because they are inside a fucking trench".
The optics are impressive, if they can finally work. Put the dot on the target at long range, it factors windage, elevation, movement, and tracks it through AI atmospheric factors on the way. In *theory* it should be as easy to hit at 30m or 300m or 600m on a moving target. That's why the M7 optics system is over $3.5k per unit (at best), more than the rifle itself.
 
It should've been painfully obvious from the begin with that the idea of a bigger cartridge is stupid. Continuing down this path when you have actual combat footage from Ukraine with near peer enemies, where you see approximately 0 footage of a rifleman engaging targets out to 600 meters, and instead you see plenty of footage with mag dumps inside 2 meters in a trench? Downright negligence. If this adoption is continuing forward, those responsible for it should sign up that they are liable for court marshal when the US Army inevitably finds out that less ammo = bad. And it cost American lives to learn that lesson.
With that kid of mindset, you'll never wind up with a consultant position upon your retirement, sir.
 
The optics are impressive, if they can finally work. Put the dot on the target at long range, it factors windage, elevation, movement, and tracks it through AI atmospheric factors on the way. In *theory* it should be as easy to hit at 30m or 300m or 600m on a moving target. That's why the M7 optics system is over $3.5k per unit (at best), more than the rifle itself.
Getting the optics to work isn't the hard part. The hard part is keeping them working while the M7 is actively destroying them when firing.
 
How fast do they get a firing solution? If a see a guy 700M away running between rocks is my magic scope going to give me a hold before he makes it to the next rock?
 
Getting the optics to work isn't the hard part. The hard part is keeping them working while the M7 is actively destroying them when firing.
Well, back in the day I worked at a place that was trying the 'next big thing' in tech optics, went nowhere. None of them ever really seem to in the end besides more refined dots and smaller footprint. Not much has really improved on my old:

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While in Atlanta for the Glock gen 6 media event James Recess, the Jew from Classic firearms and some other guy and MrGunsandGear were at a strip club and their was a fat old probably perverted broad There
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Where is this “We need 600m range” coming from when combat has been up close or 200 yards usually
Throughout the last decade or more of the GWOT most encounters with the enemy were some shitbag taking potshots from 600 meters away or more and most troops couldn't effectively shoot back. Nevermind the fact that most of the actual fighting during Iraqi Freedom and similar campaigns was all short range and fairly intense; we need to equip our guys to attempt sniper duels with random shitheels in the afghani foothills instead of looking at peer opponents and peer conflicts that we and others have fought throughout history.
 
Throughout the last decade or more of the GWOT most encounters with the enemy were some shitbag taking potshots from 600 meters away or more and most troops couldn't effectively shoot back.
I don’t think we should evolve entire military thinking around the time a dude with a pkm or mosin took a poorly aimed shot at troops while in the mountains or desert. There were stop gap measures like the M14 being introduced with EBR stocks and all (I know guys who used them say they hated it).
 
I don’t think we should evolve entire military thinking around the time a dude with a pkm or mosin took a poorly aimed shot at troops while in the mountains or desert. There were stop gap measures like the M14 being introduced with EBR stocks and all (I know guys who used them say they hated it).
Neither does anyone intelligent or sane.

Unfortunately we're talking about the military.
 
Jew from Classic firearms
The same Classic Firearms that had a website straight out of 1998 with weekly high school softball updates? It was a good Christian website and now the owner is hanging out with potential homosexual James Reeves at a strip club. Sad.

I don’t think we should evolve entire military thinking around the time a dude with a pkm or mosin took a poorly aimed shot at troops while in the mountains or desert. There were stop gap measures like the M14 being introduced with EBR stocks and all (I know guys who used them say they hated it).
Why don't we do like the Soviets in WWII and have more Designated Marksmen armed with 7.62NATO rifles instead of whatever dumbshit Sig is pushing? The 120K psi chamber pressure is fucking insane.
 
The same Classic Firearms that had a website straight out of 1998 with weekly high school softball updates? It was a good Christian website and now the owner is hanging out with potential homosexual James Reeves at a strip club. Sad.
It is severely, solidly and effectively Turk'd. I browse there and look for product elsewhere, because when I get 12 pages deep(past all the sold out good stuff) everything starts to slow down and become unresponsive.
 
It always seemed to me that the solution to the long ranger sniper/machine gun attacks was more designated marksmen or heavy weapons., not totally changing everything. Issuing a lighter weight GPMG at the squad or platoon level (the M240 is a fucking pig and plenty of designs are atleast ten pounds lighter) or coming up with some grenade launcher or light mortar that had an effective range of like 1200M and could be issued to infinity squads both seem like way better ideas.
 
It always seemed to me that the solution to the long ranger sniper/machine gun attacks was more designated marksmen or heavy weapons., not totally changing everything. Issuing a lighter weight GPMG at the squad or platoon level (the M240 is a fucking pig and plenty of designs are atleast ten pounds lighter) or coming up with some grenade launcher or light mortar that had an effective range of like 1200M and could be issued to infinity squads both seem like way better ideas.
ostensibly this is what the .338 machine guns were supposed to to do. They are supposed to provide man portable M2 equivalent performance.
 
It always seemed to me that the solution to the long ranger sniper/machine gun attacks was more designated marksmen or heavy weapons., not totally changing everything. Issuing a lighter weight GPMG at the squad or platoon level (the M240 is a fucking pig and plenty of designs are atleast ten pounds lighter) or coming up with some grenade launcher or light mortar that had an effective range of like 1200M and could be issued to infinity squads both seem like way better ideas.
It has never seized to amaze me why in the US the GPMG is a platoon level weapon. In Finland there are two! PKM's per squad. That's 10 GPMGs in one platoon, 1 for every 5 rifleman.
 
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It should've been painfully obvious from the begin with that the idea of a bigger cartridge is stupid. Continuing down this path when you have actual combat footage from Ukraine with near peer enemies, where you see approximately 0 footage of a rifleman engaging targets out to 600 meters, and instead you see plenty of footage with mag dumps inside 2 meters in a trench? Downright negligence. If this adoption is continuing forward, those responsible for it should sign up that they are liable for court marshal when the US Army inevitably finds out that less ammo = bad. And it cost American lives to learn that lesson.
It makes a lot more sense when you realize that they want these, not because of muh Chinese or Russians etc, but it's because American civilians are the highest rate of ownership of body armor including LV4 plates.

the Jew from Classic firearms
Nigga, have you ever seen a Jew? Kaya (HIS NAME IS LITERALLY KAYA FFS) from classic firearms is the most turkroach looking turk to exist west of Izmir.

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The same Classic Firearms that had a website straight out of 1998 with weekly high school softball updates? It was a good Christian website and now the owner is hanging out with potential homosexual James Reeves at a strip club. Sad.
Nah, pretty sure Sweaty Ben isn't dead yet and is still laboriously sucking in air in the background somewhere. If anything he's come to realize that to sell guns in current year, you need to target the youth and have meat mascots they can relate to, which in current year are some flavor of shitskin or trash.
 
It makes a lot more sense when you realize that they want these, not because of muh Chinese or Russians etc, but it's because American civilians are the highest rate of ownership of body armor including LV4 plates but because Sig are a bunch of money-loving kikes who have grifted off the US military by greasing the right pockets.
FTFY
 
I mean, that too, and it really goes without saying at this point. I do also believe that someone higher up really would relish the idea in nullifying civilian body armor and put in a request for a weapon and ammo that would do this.
 
Why don't we do like the Soviets in WWII and have more Designated Marksmen armed with 7.62NATO rifles instead of whatever dumbshit Sig is pushing? The 120K psi chamber pressure is fucking insane.
We do, it's the M110A1 CSASS which the US Army has been doing for a couple of years now but some program office had the brilliant idea to give a similar capability to every man in an active duty combat brigade but at a higher cost per rifle and less endurance since the barrels are ruined on those M7s before 10K rounds.

They should of just replaced all the M4s with URG-I's and been done with it and rebid the M249 replacement to what HK had.
 
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