4CHAN COMMUNITY SUPPORT LLC and LOLCOW, LLC, d/b/a KIWI FARMS, Plaintiffs, v. THE UK OFFICE OF COMMUNICATIONS, a/k/a OFCOM

[George Lucas]

I don't know how the UK does it and how they apply it to foreign judgments, but there's a doctrine called collateral estoppel in the U.S., or in more normal human language, issue preclusion, where a party can't present a factual or legal argument in one court, prevail or lose on it, then turn around and take a contradictory factual position in another court.

Fun fact: this is why Nintendo didn’t get butt fucked by Universal when Donkey Kong was released. Universal argued in a previous lawsuit that King Kong was in the public domain. They tried to assert copyright against Nintendo over Donkey Kong. When the court discovered they previously argued that it was in the public domain, they were livid and strongly ruled in favor of Nintendo.

 

[DragoonSierra]

Fun fact: this is why Nintendo didn’t get butt fucked by Universal when Donkey Kong was released. Universal argued in a previous lawsuit that King Kong was in the public domain. They tried to assert copyright against Nintendo over Donkey Kong. When the court discovered they previously argued that it was in the public domain, they were livid and strongly ruled in favor of Nintendo.

It's also how Kirby got named. Nintendos lawyer in that suit was Jack Kirby

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

Response to MTD is due Jan 6th.

 

[George Lucas]

Response to MTD is due Jan 6th.
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Oof that’s not much of an extension.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Oof that’s not much of an extension.

Judge probably figures the Sovreign Immunity was an obvious claim by OFCOM, so if plaintiffs are serious about this they would have been ready for it anyway.

Which to be fair, it was. We were discussing that very things for weeks prior to OFCOM making it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

We have responded to OFCOM. Just got this, haven't read it yet. 40 pages long.

Edit: They think they can get around the Sovereign Immunity bullshit with the Commercial Activity Exception. I don't understand all of this, not a lawyer, but its well laid out. I think they got a shot at least.

Spoiler

 

[Sneed Force One]

After watching Russell Greer for so long, I was awestruck by the use of well-sourced and correctly formatted citations.

 

[Buzz Killington]

>4chan and kiwifarms respond to OFCOM

 

[DavidS877]

It's important to make sure the record is correct on all matters.

 

[Sneed Force One]

If the hamster’s untrue, the case is through.
No rodent, no record.

 

[HiveDull]

News hamster's cousin is sleeping well tonight.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

It's important to make sure the record is correct on all matters.
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petition for news ham to get a newspaper bed in future MATIs.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

We have responded to OFCOM. Just got this, haven't read it yet. 40 pages long.

Edit: They think they can get around the Sovereign Immunity bullshit with the Commercial Activity Exception. I don't understand all of this, not a lawyer, but its well laid out. I think they got a shot at least.

This filing reads a little half-baked to me. Lots of little citation problems, some typos, quotations aren't cleaned up appropriately, etc. And the arguments could have been tightened up. Some of the forcefulness is lost due to these problems. I wouldn't be super happy if I were paying at normal rates for this work, but I don't know how exactly the representation is set up.

I hope the judge is just totally put off by the UK's conduct and trying to figure out how to bring the hammer down. Even a terrible filing (not to say this is terrible, it just could have been worked on some more) will win if the judge is in agreement with the party's position and can scrounge up enough law to get them across the line. A well written document just makes that job way easier for the judge.

 

[WelperHelper99]

This filing reads a little half-baked to me. Lots of little citation problems, some typos, quotations aren't cleaned up appropriately, etc. And the arguments could have been tightened up. Some of the forcefulness is lost due to these problems. I wouldn't be super happy if I were paying at normal rates for this work, but I don't know how exactly the representation is set up.

This is Pro Bono. We are getting this for free.

I hope the judge is just totally put off by the UK's conduct and trying to figure out how to bring the hammer down. Even a terrible filing (not to say this is terrible, it just could have been worked on some more) will win if the judge is in agreement with the party's position and can scrounge up enough law to get them across the line. A well written document just makes that job way easier for the judge.

I think it put up a competent defense. It certainly is not Russel Greer tier.

 

[alphabetnigger]

It's important to make sure the record is correct on all matters.
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New 4chan mascot just dropped

 

[This Post Is Satire]

Quoth the Bard: "Which one?"

 

[Mark Goldbridge]

Kiwifarms coming to Somaliland servers

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

I think it put up a competent defense. It certainly is not Russel Greer tier.

That's not really saying much. Greer is worse than third world pro se litigants. It's okay, but could have used a once-over at the very least. That's just my professional opinion.

 

[Teshub]

We need a pessimistic rating because I think the judge might read this and, instead of dealing with it, declare improper service and moot everything else.

 

[HarveyMCR]

Quoth the Bard: "Which one?"
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I think 'internet' is appropriate here because it is an adjective with 'internet' being a generic?

I.E: "The U.S. Government" vs "a U.S. governmental agency"