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Can we have a Star Trek again that doesn't wipe out established major powers for cheap shock value? Is that too much to ask for?
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Yeah, feels like Trek is like The Lone Ranger. It's doubtful we will have future generations that understand how to write military professionalism on screen.
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Well, we do have the GWOT-vets, but those are mostly retarded millenials... Unless some guys from any NATO-airforce or navy can be arsed to do some Trek, we're screwed.
E. Knee as Weapon - Cont.
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I don't think you have to go that far back. You could have the optimistic, exploration-focussed tone of TOS set in the aftermath of the Dominion War. Exploring the Gamma Quadrant, figuring out how to deal with separatist and insurgent Dominion factions, figuring out what the Alpha Quadrant is going to look like now that it's no longer united by a common enemy.
Set it 30 years afterwards so we don't need to have excessive cameos and things have had time to change and evolve.
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We've had too many Doomcock-esque funeral announcements about Kurtzman Trek over the years for me to celebrate yet, but it looks like it may finally be happening. Halleluiah.
The only really promising thing I can think of about the future of Trek is that all the Hollywood lovies absolutely despise the new Paramount management. Maybe the corporation will stop actively ruining their IPs for woke brownie points now that the institutional ESG money is drying up. May simply be too late for Star Trek though, it may be too far gone at this point. And I agree it's better resting in peace than being eternally corpse-fucked.
TOS was really the only version of Trek where people with military experience had any influence on the show, since a lot of the production staff were WWII vets. Even by the time of TNG, veterans were essentially absent from Hollywood in any capacity as the Boomer-age cohort took over (and it showed). I doubt that will ever change.
Yeah, this is probably the easiest way for future producers to simply ignore most of the Nutrek garbage without alienating the pink-hairs by officially retconning it. I honestly don't trust modern Hollywood to do it though. better for it to lay fallow for a decade or more, I fear.
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My least favourite part of DS9 is when it ended. Not how it ended, just when. There easily could’ve been a great season 8 showing how everyone deals with the aftermath of the war, and they could’ve changed the status quo quite a bit to keep things interesting. Maybe Odo goes back to the Great Link for the season and only makes spot appearances, and now with Dominion space open there’s a lot of potential for meeting new races and getting back to exploring the galaxy. The massive power vacuum where the Dominion was could keep the politics and dynamics of the show strong too, like how the collapse of Cardassia left Bajoran space a mess but now it’s a whole quadrant. There was just so much they could’ve done but it never happened, and now all we have is fucking Starfleet Academy and Picard to follow up in this universe.
Also, I imagine in my hypothetical season 8 that there would be a massive revolt on Ferenginar after Rom becomes Grand Nagus in what is an obvious display of nepotism. That was always my second least favourite part of DS9. Rom has no place being a politician. Throughout the whole show they portray him as the underdog technical genius, so you’d expect he’d wind up somewhere like Nog, but then at the end he’s the Grand Nagus. It was dumb and I hated it, but I correct it in my head by just imagining the people of the Ferengi Alliance putting blood to the streets over it.
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Yes, but the people who wrote TNG and on were people with advanced degrees like Law (Snodgrass) and Physics (Shankar). The least educated person in that group is Ronald Moore, which is pretty good. The people that make Star Trek today made Transformers and Disney Wars.
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So in the past twenty years, Vulcan, Romulus, the Federation, the Mirror Universe, the Borg, and the Klingon Empire have all been decimated in some way. Did I miss any?
This is one thing I love about Lower Decks. It showed what happened to a few DS9 characters after the War like Kira and Rom.
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Since the Burn was a galaxy-spanning event, yeah... you probably missed a few, lol. Like, how did the Dominion survive that?
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I'm not saying the TNG production staff weren't good--they were generally intelligent and talented (although Season 1 makes you wonder). Most were science fiction fans who tried to treat the setting and stories seriously, and to create a quality show. It's just that they lacked any insight into military matters, and it showed in how they portrayed many aspects of Starfleet, and how shallow many of their moral takes related to military conflicts were. Whatever the flaws of TOS, that core WWII military experience of many staff comes through in ways TNG falls flat on.
In comparison, the Nutrek writers are just plain dumb, untalented people. They're not just ignorant about about the military, but they seem to know nothing about anything, including scriptwriting, drama, or humor. Plus they seem to actually hate science fiction. And, apparently, their fathers.
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Meant major races with stories about nearly getting wiped out, my bad.
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It's fair to assume that everyone was blown up. Trek will end up with the barbarians camping out in the ruins of greater civilizations. They will dismantle the last working warp cores for the copper in them.
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In one of those VH1 I Love the 80s things, one of the talking heads just says "Max [Headroom], came, hit hard, then he disappeared. That's what you're supposed to do."
I respect that DS9 was off during its own weird vision quest/war story thing, and then they left. The DS9 actors are still giving interviews about how the fans ignored them, even though it’s better this way. Every other franchise is a zombie.
E. Knee as Weapon - Cont.
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Having him be immediately deposed would have been an excellent way to start Season 8 tbh
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Rom being Grand Nagus is like that episode where Jadzia has to impress her MIL by reciting the entire history of the Klingon Empire, and then Jadzia starts free associating about a brief period where the Klingons experimented with democracy (because to Klingons that’s basically their national humiliation).
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You know a Klingon Republic is scary in the sense how the Roman Republic was a scary beast for 250 years.Rom being Grand Nagus is like that episode where Jadzia has to impress her MIL by reciting the entire history of the Klingon Empire, and then Jadzia starts free associating about a brief period where the Klingons experimented with democracy (because to Klingons that’s basically their national humiliation).
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I sometime imagine modern Trek writers sitting around the writing room with a spinning wheel with the name of major powers and they just throw a dart at it to decide which major homeworld to blow up.
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Basically, intelligent white people aren't having children and retarded ones along with Mexicans are so most zoomers and especially Gen alphas are braindead. Seriously, the coming competency crisis is real. Just listen o the average young person in tiktok. It's all "ayyyyy bro that's crazy" in some American Mexican city accent. I genuinely don't believe the next generations are going to be capable of maintaining the systems we have created. and we're going to see a severe decline once the Xers and early Millenials are gone.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. They really called the faggy, mixed race Klingon Jay-Den? I thought that was just a joke name the thread had for him. Holy fucking shit, that's funny.
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Watching "The Begotten" in DS9
What a brilliant way resolve a couple of plot points and building on Odo's character, to give Odo his shapeshifting back along with reconciling his bitterness toward his "father." One of the best episodes.
DS9 absolutely still had gas left in the tank. You could tell TNG and Voyager writers were phoning it in at the end while DS9 was just as strong as it ever was.
What a brilliant way resolve a couple of plot points and building on Odo's character, to give Odo his shapeshifting back along with reconciling his bitterness toward his "father." One of the best episodes.
DS9 absolutely still had gas left in the tank. You could tell TNG and Voyager writers were phoning it in at the end while DS9 was just as strong as it ever was.