Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Grotesque Bushes]

The more knowledge you have on a topic as you listen to Josh cover it and get key critical details wrong, the more one suffers. Ignorance is truly bliss.

You watch MATI to confirm your stance. I watch MATI to get my misinformation mispronounced. We are not the same.

 

[Shig O'nella]

You watch MATI to confirm your stance. I watch MATI to get my misinformation mispronounced. We are not the same.

Now I want to see a debate between null and the tard. In five minutes no one would have a clue what they were on about.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Fucking hell! Holding nothing back

Fucking love to see it. I was wondering if this would ever happen. Its just such an out there claim to make but its well deserved in this case.

 

[.iota.]

It's going to be a mess. Today's filings already are too much for Russ by themselves. Combining it with his various other lawsuits, AND that whole living in his car thing concurrently with frantically filing extreme emergency motions to undo the eviction that already happened? The man is going to either:

A. Shut down completely

B. Shit out the most bizarre, nonsensical think ChatGPT can conjure

C. Fuck up and mix up the filings between all these cases

d. pull a maneuver that we've yet to see from him ...

Does plaintiff think he will kill himself this time?

greee is far too much of a narcissist to an hero, but he just might be considering another ploy to give himself some time somewhere other than his car. if he were able to get himself detained on an emergency hold for self-harm or suicidal ideation, he would find himself in an institution where he could eat, sleep, and bathe (i know, i know), while all his legal issues wait. he could (and absolutely would) use such a hold as a plea for the courts to give him leniency and sympathy. he also could (and absolutely would) use an emergency admission as more fodder in his war against all those who've allegedly harmed him.

"look at what they've done to me! i'm a human being!! this is a copyright/discrimination/breach of contract/eviction case!!!"

unfortunately for greee, nevada law is painstaking in its mental health crisis hold laws. one of the provisions for being placed on an emergency 72-hour hold is that the person being held must have a diagnosed mental health illness:

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if he becomes desperate enough, and he decides to seek an emergency hold, he is required by law to be diagnosed with a mental health illness before he can be held, either voluntarily or involuntarily. i don't know that greee would be willing to allow himself to be diagnosed in such a way, but if he were, he would absolutely try to use any diagnosis as evidence in any, if not all, of his myriad legal issues. the aspect that he may not consider is that he cannot credibly claim that any one of his legal adversaries are responsible for his mental health illness(es), but all of his adversaries could credibly claim that his mental health illness(es) are an indication that his litigation is not taken in good faith and with a sound mind.

 

[jerkstore]

while gree has claimed failed suicide attempts before, i don’t believe he has ever actually attempted suicide or intentionally self-harmed (physically). to put in any court filing “greer doesn’t think he will kill himself,” which he did, tells all. he has zero real, actual suicidal ideation or tendencies. he made a similar threat to erika. he says it because he knows it’s something that gets a serious reaction/sympathy. nothing more.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

unfortunately for greee, nevada law is painstaking in its mental health crisis hold laws. one of the provisions for being placed on an emergency 72-hour hold is that the person being held must have a diagnosed mental health illness:

I don’t know, I found The Nevada Behavioral Health Policy Board website on involuntary holds, and they say that “Formerly known as a “Legal Hold” or “Legal 2000”, mental health crisis holds are used when a person appears to be in a mental health crisis. This means that they meet criteria for “substantial likelihood of serious harm” to themselves or others due to mental illness. In this situation they may be held involuntarily in a healthcare facility for evaluation, observation, and treatment for up to 72 hours.”

And that cops, therapists, and social workers can have someone placed on a hold. None of them can make medical diagnoses. (Other people who can place people in holds are doctors or professionals who can make a diagnosis)’. Which makes sense, because if a patient in therapy tells their therapist they’re going to kill themselves tonight, the therapist and law enforcement have to have a way to step in immediately and be able to take them somewhere to keep them safe.

The only time they mention the statute you refer to is when they talk about extending the hold past 72 hours, at which point the patient will have a medical diagnosis of mental health issues, and it appears to be used to distinguish between actual mental health and drugs/drunks/medical conditions like dementia that can act like mental health.

 

[.iota.]

he has zero real, actual suicidal ideation or tendencies.

agreed, but that doesn't mean that he won't lie. russell greer is a lying liar who lies, living with unprecedented circumstances, having been recently evicted, and facing one (possibly two) turns as the defendant in his pursuit of endless litigation. he just might be desperate enough, that's my point.

I found The Nevada Behavioral Health Policy Board website on involuntary holds

so did i, it's where i found the documents for the screenshots in my previous post:

i even linked to the the same website in my post:

if he becomes desperate enough, and he decides to seek an emergency hold, he is required by law to be diagnosed with a mental health illness before he can be held, either voluntarily or involuntarily.

The only time they mention the statute you refer to is when they talk about extending the hold past 72 hours

no, if you read the documents in the pdf that i highlighted above from the nvbh website, the statute is cited throughout. the process seems to be: make statements / take action that presents a threat to self or others > be taken to medical facility by authorized personnel > be assessed for both mental and physical illnesses / injuries > if mental illness is determined to be contributing to current mental health crisis > be placed on 72-hour hold by authorized provider.

72 hour psych holds are a complete myth and Russell will be taken seriously.You need to already be diagnosed as mentally ill or else the authorities will be powerless to detain and transport you to a mental hospital.

a 72-hour hold is specifically incorporated into all mental health crisis documentation that is required by law in nevada. there is no requirement that a person be diagnosed with a mental illness prior to assessment, only that a person be diagnosed with a mental illness prior to a 72-hour hold being authorized. an emergency room physician could diagnose someone with ptsd, for example, and if that person were verbalizing or indicating suicidal ideation, that would suffice.

and just to be clear, i don't think that this information in any way helps greee. while it would be hilarious if he ended up on a hold, especially if he did so intentionally, it would only delay the inevitable barrage of legal issues that he's facing, and it would be all the more advantageous to his adversaries. just imagine mr. hardin being able to include "according to recent filings, mr. greer is currently residing in a psychiatric facility". lol.

 

[Sir Dank-a-Lot]

Even the simplest of creatures will stop banging into a wall once they realize that it's an exercise in futility. Mr. Greee on the other hand is an interesting creature. He's so confidently incorrect that he keeps banging into those walls thinking that he somehow has the magic method that will allow him to walk through them. No matter how many L's this moron takes, he just comes back for more, to the point where it leaves him homeless. It would be sort of tragic if it weren't for the fact that he's a narcissistic asshole.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Even the simplest of creatures will stop banging into a wall once they realize that it's an exercise in futility. Mr. Greee on the other hand is an interesting creature. He's so confidently incorrect that he keeps banging into those walls thinking that he somehow has the magic method that will allow him to walk through them. No matter how many L's this moron takes, he just comes back for more, to the point where it leaves him homeless. It would be sort of tragic if it weren't for the fact that he's a narcissistic asshole.

I first found Russell Greer when Chris Chan was in jail and someone asked if we thought he must be banging his head on the bars all day everyday to bring about the merge. Someone else said Chris doesn't hurt himself for no immediate gain, only someone like Russell Greer does over and over again in the hopes reality takes the hint this time.

 

[Lach]

I still can't believe it's basically allowed(as in not severely punished immediately) for the opposition in a legal case to just constantly target the lawyer and try to have them disbarred, contacting their firm, constantly demanding the judge to remove the specific opposition lawyer, it seems like something that should be legally coded in as obvious malice since it's literally obvious malice because if there was any merit in their own case they would be more concerned with the details and evidence their providing rather than trying to snipe the enemy lawyer lol

 

[obsdj]

I still can't believe it's basically allowed(as in not severely punished immediately) for the opposition in a legal case to just constantly target the lawyer and try to have them disbarred, contacting their firm, constantly demanding the judge to remove the specific opposition lawyer, it seems like something that should be legally coded in as obvious malice since it's literally obvious malice because if there was any merit in their own case they would be more concerned with the details and evidence their providing rather than trying to snipe the enemy lawyer lol

Retarded pro se loligants like our boy Greer are treated with kid gloves and tolerance a great deal of the time. It's been excessive in this case though.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Crossposting from the general grizzle thread. What he has to look forward to:

And a little more:

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

They never, ever should have dropped that. If they did it, he'd still be locked up somewhere in a looney bin.

those exams are questionable from a scientific perspective, humiliating, insanely intrusive and of little value given the circumstances of his particular case. Tends to be used when there are allegations of child abuse.

So while it would have been both funny and probably a deserved punishment for all the shit he's put people through via the system, it isn't really surprising that it was dropped.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I still can't believe it's basically allowed(as in not severely punished immediately) for the opposition in a legal case to just constantly target the lawyer and try to have them disbarred, contacting their firm, constantly demanding the judge to remove the specific opposition lawyer

We don't have any evidence that the judges have read down that far in the docket yet. I mean, they're even ignoring emergency motions from this case now.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I honestly think Greer has no idea how much shit he is in. He does not understand that a counter claim is not simply just the people he is suing defending themselves.

A counter claim is an entirely separate lawsuit being launched against him using the fact patterns and filings he himself has submitted.

Back of the envelope explanation. Be you, random nobody. You are being sued. The asshole suing you serves you with papers. You review the papers you are served with and the papers filed with the court. You realize that the idiot suing you has essentially alleged as fact in his own filings torts for which you are entitled to relief. So you say "Yes your honor, the plaintiff is correct in what he has filed. I accept his filings as true and demand you enter judgment against him in my favor!"

Or in this particular case since its an abuse of process claim, you demand the court take note of every stupid thing the plaintiff has filed and demand a jury declare it to be stupid. The worst part for Greer is he cannot deny anything he has done. It was all submitted under oath and with sworn candor. The idiot did the torts under penalty of perjury in his personal capacity.

Which is why even lawyers NEVER prosecute their cases themselves. Having another lawyer do the job creates stand off distance. If they fuck up catastrophically you can just plead ignorance. Greer cannot do this. His torts were submitted pro se and with full candor. His abuse of process is a matter of record that he has signed off on personally.

At this point it does not even matter if he prevails in his copyright claims. The counter claims will nullify any monetary gains he hopes to collect. Worse, the counter claim plaintiff is also demanding a Jury Trial. Which means the tard guarding is over. Greer may get his wish and the court wash their hands of this mess and schedule a trial date on all issues. His claims and the counter claims.

 

[DavidS877]

I honestly think Greer has no idea how much shit he is in. He does not understand that a counter claim is not simply just the people he is suing defending themselves.

A counter claim is an entirely separate lawsuit being launched against him using the fact patterns and filings he himself has submitted.

Back of the envelope explanation. Be you, random nobody. You are being sued. The asshole suing you serves you with papers. You review the papers you are served with and the papers filed with the court. You realize that the idiot suing you has essentially alleged as fact in his own filings torts for which you are entitled to relief. So you say "Yes your honor, the plaintiff is correct in what he has filed. I accept his filings as true and demand you enter judgment against him in my favor!"

Or in this particular case since its an abuse of process claim, you demand the court take note of every stupid thing the plaintiff has filed and demand a jury declare it to be stupid. The worst part for Greer is he cannot deny anything he has done. It was all submitted under oath and with sworn candor. The idiot did the torts under penalty of perjury in his personal capacity.

Which is why even lawyers NEVER prosecute their cases themselves. Having another lawyer do the job creates stand off distance. If they fuck up catastrophically you can just plead ignorance. Greer cannot do this. His torts were submitted pro se and with full candor. His abuse of process is a matter of record that he has signed off on personally.

At this point it does not even matter if he prevails in his copyright claims. The counter claims will nullify any monetary gains he hopes to collect. Worse, the counter claim plaintiff is also demanding a Jury Trial. Which means the tard guarding is over. Greer may get his wish and the court wash their hands of this mess and schedule a trial date on all issues. His claims and the counter claims.

You might want to move this to the other, other Greer lawsuit thread. Since it appears you're talking about Greeeeeeeee v Lolcow.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

those exams are questionable from a scientific perspective, humiliating, insanely intrusive and of little value given the circumstances of his particular case.

You write this as if I am not acutely aware of all the aspects of which you have written. I can assure you, I most certainly am.

The worst part for Greer is he cannot deny anything he has done.

He could, but then he would be facing perjury charges. Given how retarded he is, he may actually be stupid enough to roll the dice on that.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

He could, but then he would be facing perjury charges. Given how retarded he is, he may actually be stupid enough to roll the dice on that.

He absolutely will try to deny his own actions, probably by saving “yes, but I meant it hypothetically, because there will be blood is obviously a reference to the movie” etc.

Narcissists and other cluster B abusers love DARVO, which for any not aware stands for "Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.” It’s an attempt to avoid accountability when confronted about their wrongdoing, and is a clear pattern throughout his entire life that he’s shared with us.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

He absolutely will try to deny his own actions, probably by saving “yes, but I meant it hypothetically, because there will be blood is obviously a reference to the movie” etc.

Narcissists and other cluster B abusers love DARVO, which for any not aware stands for "Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.” It’s an attempt to avoid accountability when confronted about their wrongdoing, and is a clear pattern throughout his entire life that he’s shared with us.

Unfortunately for him, trying DARVO with sworn statements is a quick path to criminal proceedings.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

Unfortunately for him, trying DARVO with sworn statements is a quick path to criminal proceedings.

I know that and you know that, but I guarantee Russ either doesn’t know that or thinks if he can explainnnn enough it won’t apply to him.

I’m really hoping he eventually ends up catching some real consequences. Erika’s thing being reduced to a misdemeanor was the worst thing to happen to him, honestly. Well, second worst I guess. The appropriate time for that lesson was during the bathroom “prank” incident.