Inactive Elliot Rodger - The Supreme Gentleman

[teheviltwin]

You wonderful terrible person.

 

[Hyperion]

I think this thread should be deleted. This little boy does not deserve to be remembered in any way. That is the ultimate punishment for this little crazy fuck.

 

[teheviltwin]

I think this thread should be deleted. This little boy does not deserve to be remembered in any way. That is the ultimate punishment for this little crazy fuck.

I dunno. Being laughed at by women was pretty much his worst nightmare. I get a small sense of enjoyment knowing that if he were still alive this thread would be making him literally cry in a corner.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I dunno. Being laughed at by women was pretty much his worst nightmare. I get a small sense of enjoyment knowing that if he were still alive this thread would be making him literally cry in a corner.

Agreed, but I think the most satisfying part of all is the fact that, despite all of his alleged advantages and all of the effort he went through with his "plans," he never got what he truly wanted in the end.

 

[teheviltwin]

For those who let their ego control them there is nothing worse than being ignored and forgotten.

I absolutely agree in most cases and I know what you mean. But for those who let the 'tism control them there is nothing worse than having their "once good name" smeared through the worst mud, muck, and bodily fluids.

 

[Francine StripeCheer]

ok next one

 

[Francine StripeCheer]

ok next one

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[FifthColumn]

I just read a New York Times article about this fellow, and I am still baffled by him and his circumstances.
He lived in greater luxury than me, and had luxuries I will never have.
His parents sound like nice and caring people, so I don't think they were negligent and selfish the way I used to. Perhaps to silly and stupid with too soft of a touch? I mean its a big mistake to give any kid a bmw, as a present. I personally believe one should have to buy ones car for oneself.. Any thoughts as to what his parents were like?

 

[Marvin]

I just read a New York Times article about this fellow, and I am still baffled by him and his circumstances.
He lived in greater luxury than me, and had luxuries I will never have.
His parents sound like nice and caring people, so I don't think they were negligent and selfish the way I used to. Perhaps to silly and stupid with too soft of a touch? I mean its a big mistake to give any kid a bmw, as a present. I personally believe one should have to buy ones car for oneself.. Any thoughts as to what his parents were like?

Eh, they could've been a lot shittier parents and he still would've been nuts. I hear conflicting reports on how they were, but it really doesn't matter to me, their status as parents is irrelevant.

 

[teheviltwin]

I just read a New York Times article about this fellow, and I am still baffled by him and his circumstances.
He lived in greater luxury than me, and had luxuries I will never have.
His parents sound like nice and caring people, so I don't think they were negligent and selfish the way I used to. Perhaps to silly and stupid with too soft of a touch? I mean its a big mistake to give any kid a bmw, as a present. I personally believe one should have to buy ones car for oneself.. Any thoughts as to what his parents were like?

I think that they probably did what they thought was best. With Elliot's sperglers and complete inability to realise that his "tortured" life was actually pretty blessed you can get a pretty decent view from his whinefesto. From his earliest memories he threw tantrums to get what he wanted and his parents caved. His disruptive and selfish behaviour was apparent right from the start and wasn't addressed. Once he was so big that it caused serious issues/embarrassment they threw money at the problem (hiring fake friends etc). It took Soumaya to introduce any discipline in his life by which time he was way too far gone.

I don't think they were good parents but I also don't think they were malicious and you can only blame anyone's parents up to a point. He was an adult and chose to kill people rather than deal with his inadequacies.

 

[Artard]

I just read a New York Times article about this fellow, and I am still baffled by him and his circumstances.
He lived in greater luxury than me, and had luxuries I will never have.
His parents sound like nice and caring people, so I don't think they were negligent and selfish the way I used to. Perhaps to silly and stupid with too soft of a touch? I mean its a big mistake to give any kid a bmw, as a present. I personally believe one should have to buy ones car for oneself.. Any thoughts as to what his parents were like?

I wish there were binary "right" and "wrong" choices they could have made -- we could go back and figure out what those were and this would never happen again.

There are some interesting scenes in that piece.

He fled two high schools after begging his parents, in tears, to rescue him from what he described as a bullying environment. When he was a sophomore, a school administrator said, he suffered a panic attack — standing immobilized in the hallway — until a teacher went outside to ask his mother, waiting in a car, to come get him. He apparently never returned to the school.

 

[FifthColumn]

Money for fake friends? That is sort of pathetic. Are you sure these werent playdates when he was a gradeschooler?
I think this whole case is a nail in the coffin for the self-esteem promoters. Elliot did not lack self-esteem that is for sure. Who else but someone with a self-esteem overload, thinks that he is an ubermench that women should throw themselves at?
I think kids deserve self-esteem for a job well done, but not just have it thrown at them willy nilly. If his parents had told him long ago that he wasn't that charming or attractive, and should count himself lucky to find a job or graduate from school, maybe he wouldnt have turned out so shitty?

EDIT: You know people will debate endlessly, whether his autism influenced this, whether his bad upbringing influenced this, whether there is any way he could have turned out better. I think Bronn from Game of Thrones has the real answer "There's no cure for being a c*nt!"

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Money for fake friends? That is sort of pathetic. Are you sure these werent playdates when he was a gradeschooler?

That's one way to make friends... negotiation.

 

[Artard]

I think this whole case is a nail in the coffin for the self-esteem promoters. Elliot did not lack self-esteem that is for sure. Who else but someone with a self-esteem overload, thinks that he is an ubermench that women should throw themselves at?
I think kids deserve self-esteem for a job well done, but not just have it thrown at them willy nilly. If his parents had told him long ago that he wasn't that charming or attractive, and should count himself lucky to find a job or graduate from school, maybe he wouldnt have turned out so shitty?

hahaha what the hell is a "self-esteem promoter"? I keep imagining an annoyingly motivated and cheerful person named "Suzie" showing up at random and telling people they're SUPER!

I am not a child psychologist but I'm pretty sure is a large body of literature that suggests telling your child, "You are ugly and no one will ever love you" is not a great thing to do either.

 

[slep]

While everyone is over at the "Chris sells art on eBay" thread, I thought I'd post a link to this recent article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/02/u...d-years-of-withdrawal.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Best quote:

"Mr. Rodger’s mother, Li Chin, filed an affidavit describing Elliot as a “high-functioning autistic child,” and said she needed more child support to care for him."

We all know how much Chris bristles whenever anyone makes mention that autistics may be prone to being psychos, so I wonder how come no one has asked Chris for his opinion on this tragedy. I'm sure when it comes to words of great wisdom and compassion, Chris is always one to know just the right things to say.

 

[The Lizard Queen]

hahaha what the hell is a "self-esteem promoter"? I keep imagining an annoyingly motivated and cheerful person named "Suzie" showing up at random and telling people they're SUPER!

I am not a child psychologist but I'm pretty sure is a large body of literature that suggests telling your child, "You are ugly and no one will ever love you" is not a great thing to do either.

Something tells me that Mr. Elliot was not spanked enough when he was younger, if at all.

But, when it comes to self-esteem promotion, and mental abuse in parenting, I think it all falls along a bell curve.
Too much of a self-esteem promoting parenting strategy results in dickish children with entitlement issues, and too much of the opposite strategy results in children with severe depression and emotional scarring. I find that most well rounded adults come from parents that take the middle ground between treating their kids like kings, and treating them like scum. In other words, treating them like you would treat anyone else.
It's kind of an odd concept, this strange notion that children are actually tiny, curious adults, and should be treated as such.

 

[garbageraider]

That's Americans' thoughts on beer in a nutshell.

Most of us prefer Bud Light, Old Style, Miller Genuine Draft, and other cheap shit.

Please. Some of us Americans actually like IPA's and darker drafts. We're not all pilsner drinkers, although I have to say that most American beer isn't very serious stuff. Hell, the place where I'm from probably has the worst beer of any place on the planet.

 

[teheviltwin]

Please. Some of us Americans actually like IPA's and darker drafts. We're not all pilsner drinkers, although I have to say that most American beer isn't very serious stuff. Hell, the place where I'm from probably has the worst beer of any place on the planet.

Yeah but having Newcastle Brown Ale in the gourmet section is still hilarious to English people.

 

[garbageraider]

Yeah but having Newcastle Brown Ale in the gourmet section is still hilarious to English people.

When I was over in korea, they had Bud Light and Budweiser in the same section as the other imported, gourmet beers, which I thought was quite amusing, so I know exactly what you mean. This is the law where I'm from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Oklahoma
"Oklahoma's approach to alcohol is quite strict"
"Any beverage containing more than 3.2% alcohol by weight or 4% alcohol by volume, that is, most liquors, wines, and typical beer, may only be sold in licensed liquor stores at room temperature"
"Minors under the age of 21 are not permitted to possess or purchase alcohol; however, consumption in a "private setting" is not prohibited by Oklahoma law. "Minors may not have a blood alcohol level of more than .02%"
"Under Oklahoma law, it is a felony to provide alcoholic beverages to the "mentally deficient," the intoxicated, and persons under 21 years of age"
"It is illegal to sell packaged liquor (off-premises sales) on Sundays. Sales also are prohibited on Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day. Low-point beer for consumption off-premises may not be sold between 2:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m.
"Licensed vendors may not advertise happy hours, serve more than two beverages at a time to a customer, give a discount to a person or group of persons, or permit the play of games that involve drinking"
"Landowners cannot lawfully permit a person under 21 years of age to consume alcohol on their property. Punishment for this crime is a fine between $2,500 and $5,000 and up to 5 years of imprisonment"
Be glad you live in the UK, not in the Sooner State.

 

[Venusaur]

Be glad you live in the UK, not in the Sooner State.

Well, depends on the UK. Stores won't sell alcohol in Scotland after 10 pm. Its' not that big of a deal, but if you don't feel like spending money at a pub, and have some friends visiting...Many a times has the "21:45 dash down the stairs" been employed.