The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

ok clearly you didn't read the conversation chain that led up to this so thats fine
You do realize we can see that conversation? You literally just threw in "new users" 3 posts ago, presumably because you decided you couldn't hit the goalposts where they were.
New users are usually pointed to Mint (because it's simple to get going and has great support). But by that argument, a 2005 Toyota Corolla is the best car because a lot of learners start there.
If you want to argue that systemd is good enough for most people because it saves you from poking under the hood every weekend then fair enough - although that's why I use openrc on my artix machines, and I wouldn't claim it's "better", just "more convenient for my lazy ass".
 
You do realize we can see that conversation? You literally just threw in "new users" 3 posts ago, presumably because you decided you couldn't hit the goalposts where they were.
New users are usually pointed to Mint (because it's simple to get going and has great support). But by that argument, a 2005 Toyota Corolla is the best car because a lot of learners start there.
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At least this will push people to the SysV init distros.

that was the original post i was responding to
if you are not already a sysvinit user that is who i'm talking about, or a new user
not a new linux user, just a new sysvinit user
unless i'm just misreading his post entirely and he's saying only people who have already used sysvinit should use sysvinit distros? but that's not how i interpreted that post

If you want to argue that systemd is good enough for most people because it saves you from poking under the hood every weekend then fair enough - although that's why I use openrc on my artix machines, and I wouldn't claim it's "better", just "more convenient for my lazy ass".

i don't use systemd i use s6 init. i use s6 init over sysvinit because i use the functionality built into s6. i personally would not recommend people use sysvinit and i don't see any reason why you would. the arguments that one user pointed out are actually negatives compared to other non-systemd inits. stuff like having to script your init and not having daemon supervision so you just don't use software which can potentially crash, those are reasons i would not recommend people try sysvinit. it's just extremely primitive and offers 0 tangible benefit over any other init besides systemd. so i'm asking you why are you recommending it over other inits?

sorry for bad formatting and leddit spacing idk how to use this forum software
 
Ok, now I know how a computer feels when you drop a fork bomb on it.
im still waiting for someone to tell me why sysvinit is better than s6 dinit runit and openrc for new users
just a new sysvinit user
But if they're not using sysvinit, then they're not a new sysvinit user. userr. sErr. Err. Error...
Vesperus has encountered a critical error and needs to lay down.
Hit any hard liquor to continue.
 
But if they're not using sysvinit, then they're not a new sysvinit user. userr. sErr. Err. Error...
look all u have to do to answer the question is name things sysvinit does better than openrc s6 dinit and runit
for some reason we keep arguing about stuff other than what i actually asked
that is the only thing i'm asking is why should i tell someone "use a distro that uses sysvinit" instead of "use a distro that uses runit"
i genuinely can't think of a valid argument against this, but i got 5 dislikes on that post and i'm like 99% sure everyone that disagreed with me doesn't actually disagree with me they just misread my post
 
look all u have to do to answer the question is name things sysvinit does better than openrc s6 dinit and runit

The big upside is that sysvinit (and I'm throwing in the *BSD rc.d paradigm too) is thoroughly auditable and allows the user in question maximum control. OpenRC is elegant, but it wasn't designed as an init system first and foremost; it was originally a set of abstractions atop sysvinit that eventually became an init system via OpenRC-init. Even so, it's not like we have an LFS book that covers building an LFS system with OpenRC-init, let alone dinit, s6, or runit.

All the other alternatives to sysvinit have merit, they're capable of parallelisation, they're hotplug-capable, they can manage sockets better, orphaned process handling exists, these are all things that sysvinit can't do that systemd's technically capable of doing, but without systemd's aggressive scope creep. That's good insofar as providing meaningful alternatives to systemd, but that doesn't automatically collapse sysvinit's appeal. Judicious users who prefer sysvinit (or indeed, the *BSD rc.d paradigm) value sequencing their daemons and user services by hand, entirely in plaintext.

In sysvinit and rc.d paradigms, if something gets bork'd, it's entirely a user error with respect to configuration. All the troubleshooting means are plaintext and accessible, so if you made an error sequencing your daemons, your services, or what have you, it's just a matter of rearranging them and rebooting. The good thing about sysvinit is that it's decades old and tons of documentation already exists for it. If you bork your exotic s6 or dinit system, you're basically limited to the troubleshooting PDFs that Artix ships with. They're good resources, to be sure, but they still pale in comparison to the sheer volume of historical support sysvinit had, and the obscure hacks and workarounds people used to get their shit up and running.

sysvinit and rc.d also encourage more "traditional" Unix habits and practices. Since your initscripts are basically shell scripts unto themselves, you're able to better leverage crontab for task automation. That's not even getting into how sysvinit and rc.d are much closer to being POSIX-compliant. While Linux is notoriously poor with long-term API/ABI compatibility, rendering POSIX-compliance more theoretical than anything else (even before systemd actively broke POSIX assumptions), there's still a huge body of software spanning decades that was built specifically with a vaguely POSIX-compliant userland in mind.

runit, upstart, OpenRC, dinit, s6, all these init systems exist to solve the biggest problems with sysvinit, but then they open the broader question of "am I able to build software from source with minimal fuss on this platform?" OpenRC gets a pass because it's the most "mature" of the alternative init frameworks and it's stewarded by the Gentoo project, but it's far from frictionless in this respect. It's worse in the case of dinit, s6, and runit. I mean, most people run binary packages with those init frameworks under Artix or Devuan anyway, but still: if I can't make an LFS and BLFS build out of a dinit, s6, runit, or even an OpenRC system, something's terribly wrong with the picture here.
 
it's not like we have an LFS book that covers building an LFS system with OpenRC-init, let alone dinit, s6, or runit
Let's talk about LFS a bit then because they're moving to systemd only because of how much of a pain in the ass it was to maintain sysvinit and how hacky the scripting was
I still think systemd is a poor choice for LFS and sysvinit is probably the best because of how much of a pain in the ass it is, it teaches users how to do everything because you have to script everything yourself
LFS isn't a Linux distro though and soon won't support sysvinit anyways so a Linux distro should already have sysvinit setup and configured for the user by the distro maintainers, which is what the original poster had recommended
I'll accept documentation and full control as a benefit and why you would personally recommend it to someone but I'm firmly in the camp that I'd recommend anything else even for an advanced user, just because headache for the sake of headache is not my goal
 
Let's talk about LFS a bit then because they're moving to systemd only because of how much of a pain in the ass it was to maintain sysvinit and how hacky the scripting was

Bruce did say that the SysV book would no longer be directly updated. They're still hosting it, with no formal declaration of discontinuation as of yet. Writing's on the walls, but sysvinit still has a standard bearer for the time being.

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Bruce did say that the SysV book would no longer be directly updated. They're still hosting it, with no formal declaration of discontinuation as of yet. Writing's on the walls, but sysvinit still has a standard bearer for the time being.

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Ya and hopefully someone forks the handbook to keep it going
I think arguing against LFS though isn't meaningful because it's
1: not a distro
2: not going to be supported soon
The sysvinit distros I can Think of besides slackware and pclinuxos also support other inits so idk why I'd recommend someone use the sysvinit version of devuan when they can have openrc or runit, or antix with runit
Only one I can think of is mx Linux where it's either sysvinit or systemd
 
Within 5 years, the design of AES was demonstrated to have severe weaknesses when it came to timing leaks that allow complete key recovery in some situations. It’s very unlikely that NSA didn’t know about it when they approved it, but rather considered it one of their NOBUS “crown jewel” secrets.
The heartbleed vulnerability, the change in SSL that made it possible was committed at like midnight new years eve one year. I am 99.999999999999999% sure that was a government actor and they sat on it for years before it was discovered.
Heartbleed, for about 3/4 days was like absolute Christmas for scripties. Roughly 2/3 websites it was pointed at were vulnerable. Imagine having that in the pocket for years before. I have no doubt they have similar 0days being used as we speak

Trans day of visibility is a hilarious concept because I can spot them from about 50 feet away. They are never invisible.

Also KDE has been gay decades, Last time I used it was probably 15 years ago, sure, but it was always a massive resource hog and cribbed too much from Windows.
 
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crosspost from the bsd thread

midnightBSD has added 'optional' age verification


An embarrassing degree of performative cuckoldry. MidnightBSD is effectively a one-man project with maybe, what, ~30 active users? This stinks of grifting to me. First he declares that he resists age verification, then immediately spearheads its implementation in BSDland. 100% its some faggot publicity stunt, and all things considered:

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I think that's pretty likely. His fagstodon has him crying over Framework's sponsorship of Hyprland and reposting posts about the importance of ethics and codes of conduct in foss, and IIRC he also decried XLibre with the typical muh natzees angle. Also he's mogged by GhostBSD in every conceivable way.
 
Also he's mogged by GhostBSD in every conceivable way

And GhostBSD itself gets mogged by the ghost of PC-BSD (damn PC-BSD niggers changing their project over to track FreeBSD-CURRENT, switch from Plasma 4 to Lumina, and then change its name to TrueOS... only to die unceremoniously when no one cared about what they were doing).
 
Opinion on ULLI (USB-Less Linux Installer)?
Shitty documentation. No idea what makes it special or anything and I'm sure not reading 3k lines of AI slop to deduce this.

I think it's just "DIY the EFI/BIOS locally", which I'd just do by hand instead of using some random undocumented program.
 
One one hand I'm surprised this wasn't a thing earlier.
On the other hand I'm a little worried about it being ai generated code, considering it touches parts of a computer that can render your OS unbootable if messed with.

...has anyone on this thread notices that it doesn't seem to properly jump to the latest post? For me just this thread has this problem. Might just be something in one of the comments
 
No clue if anyone has dug into yet but the Dylan Taylor's LinkedIn page has THIS
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Of course this retard is interested in Bill Gates
 
No clue if anyone has dug into yet but the Dylan Taylor's LinkedIn page has THIS
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Of course this retard is interested in Bill Gates
Again may of already been stated but on this page he has the schools he has attended too
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Digging through his Github
A TOR traffic detector from 2015
Something about TrumpScript in 2016
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The specific pull request of the guy saying he was putting malware in has to be after 2021 since the clhin guy made his account in 2021.
 
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