Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

I think you all missed out on what having the breakup pf NATO means for the US as it was your policy to get Europe off cheap Russian energy and transition them to US fuels.
Russia is a bigger Europe problem than an American problem. We didn't want them off Russian gas for us, we wanted them off Russian gas for THEM. We wanted Germany to not shut down their nuke plants which were reducing their fossil fuel demand. We didn't want them to shut down the nukes and buy our gas instead of Russia's. We didn't want them to dump nukes and buy a bunch of useless solar panels. In general, what we want is for European leaders to stop making the exact choices a hysterical reddit thread or college campus protest movement would make on any given subject.
 
Russia is a bigger Europe problem than an American problem. We didn't want them off Russian gas for us, we wanted them off Russian gas for THEM. We wanted Germany to not shut down their nuke plants, reducing their fossil fuel demand. We didn't want them to shut them down and buy our gas instead of Russia's. We didn't want them to dump nukes and buy a bunch of useless solar panels. In general, what we want is for European leaders to stop making the exact choices a hysterical reddit thread or college campus protest movement would make on any given subject.
lmao sure you did. The EU an UK are your vassals, and it was a sweet deal for everyone involved until that fat old retard you elected decided to suck off Israel and throw it all away.

but I agree that Europe needs to stop making retarded decisions and become the competitor to the US it was designed to be. And all without a drop of burger fuels too. Nice.
 
We're enjoying being the richest, strongest, and most free nation on Earth. We sleep in big beds, drive big cars on big roads, shoot big guns, and eat big burgers until we die of affluenza related diseases. We don't let terrorists or despots push us around, we push them around. The entire world, particularly Iran and definitely Europe, will benefit if regime change occurs and the strait is no longer under threat from terrorists. You don't need to leave your small countries in your small cars on your small roads carrying your small guns while subsisting on your tiny burgers to try and help out, but you should be rooting for the right side at least.
You are a fat dumb soyboy and I deeply regret sharing a country with you.
 
There's something that's amusing about you MAGA-Americans. You simply cannot compartmentalize things. Like if I say that Hegseth is a fucking idiot, you are immediately thinking that I'm an immigrant loving ICE hating commie. Like it's just unfathomable to you that I can at the same time be a right-winger, hating muslims and jews, and also think that Trump is a fucking idiot. It just doesn't compute for you how one can think like that, it's not supposed to be like that.
You served in a military that is less well-equipped, more poorly trained, and has seen less combat than my local police department. Stop acting all high and mighty.
 
I don't get what is so cool and fun about killing people by blowing them and their communities up. A lot of people in this thread seem to be happy they can see people die. Pretty disturbing tbh lol
 
I don't get what is so cool and fun about killing people by blowing them and their communities up. A lot of people in this thread seem to be happy they can see people die. Pretty disturbing tbh lol
uhhh.......these "people" you're referring to are brown so........ i mean............

they were a direct threat to israel america and they were going to have a nuclear weapon maybe at some point in the future idk in 5 minutes
 
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Reminder, if your 'side' is with Americanda and Israel - you are an enemy and a very good goy.
So true! It reminds me of a quote from the late Imam Khomeini:
"Intercourse with a woman is not allowed unless she attains the age of nine years, regardless whether the marriage is permanent or temporary. There is, however, no objection in other enjoyments like touching lasciviously, hugging and rubbing the thighs, even with a suckling infant."

Tahrir al-Wasilah, Volume 3, Problem 12 (p. 229)
Whoops. How did that get there? No matter! The Axis of Epstein shall fall.
 
I don't get what is so cool and fun about killing people by blowing them and their communities up. A lot of people in this thread seem to be happy they can see people die. Pretty disturbing tbh lol
Too much /pol/
Too little grass touching
 
Can you summarize what the article actually said, since it's behind a paywall? Note the weaseling attempt in the byline to imply that hundreds have been killed; injuries have been counted as casualties since forever. And injuries don't necessarily mean that they never get sent back to duty--an injury is counted as an casualty whether you're actually killed or hit by shrapnel, or fall and scrape your elbow running to a bunker during Alarm Red. The numbers people should look for, at least in the short term, are how many have been killed, and how many have been medevac'd out of the theater, in comparison to how many are actually back turning wrenches or loading bombs as well as the total number deployed.
i just saw the headline didnt read the article sorry
 
There's something that's amusing about you MAGA-Americans. You simply cannot compartmentalize things. Like if I say that Hegseth is a fucking idiot, you are immediately thinking that I'm an immigrant loving ICE hating commie. Like it's just unfathomable to you that I can at the same time be a right-winger, hating muslims and jews, and also think that Trump is a fucking idiot. It just doesn't compute for you how one can think like that, it's not supposed to be like that.
There's something amusing about you yuropoors. You simply cannot accept that your civilizations have all been dead for a century and that Americans are smarter and more vital than you. You act like we dont know what we're doing even when we routinely demonstrate levels of competence that nobody in your soggy faggot history could hold a candle too. Just be glad we like you critters more than the chinks and ragheads and shut up.
 
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Trump is getting impatient.
 
I know this is a propaganda post but several fat flag waving 'mericas don't quite understand how bad this has gone

-You blocked most of the oil making everyone's life harder and fucking up your own planting and harvest season
-Tanked the economy, worldwide
-DIDN'T get regime change
-PROVED you'd be incompetent and defending Taiwan and green lighted that invasion


AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF you're now begging the Iranians for a ceasefire because you burnt through almost all your munitions...in a fucking month. No wonder he keeps talking deal, he's fucking desperate he knows the longer it goes to a deal the more he has to pull back in humliation.
I'm 40 and nothing I've seen America do has ever damaged itself like this.
 
Brigadier General Mohammad-Ali Fathalizadeh, commander of the IRGC Ground Forces' Fattahin commando unit, was killed in an Israeli airstrike.
I thought that was an edit, but no he's really wearing the "Deal with it" sunglasses in his picture. lol.

Russia, China, and France have effectively blocked an Arab-backed effort at the UN Security Council to authorize military action against Iran to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, opposing any wording that permits the use of force, NYT reports. The resolution, drafted by Bahrain with the support of Gulf states, is still under negotiation ahead of a possible vote on Friday, but divisions remain among both permanent and nonpermanent members over language allowing states to take “all necessary means” to secure navigation through the strait. The last time Russia, China, and France were the only three Permanent Members of the UNSC to align on a major issue was in 2003, when they opposed the joint UK-US resolution for the invasion of Iraq. This forced the UK and the US to withdraw the draft resolution, preventing the UN from issuing a formal mandate to invade Iraq.
The Caliphate of France has a long history of kowtowing to muslims. So this disappoints but doesn't shock me. France was one of the main destinations for allowed sales under Obama's Iran Deal, and were also trying to find ways around sanctions to trade with Iran.

1) Hysterical that France, the one European country with a navy to speak of, is desperate not to use it because it might mean their shiny boats get possibly scuffed.
2) This resolution wouldn't have done shit even if it had passed. The Gulf War Resolution didn't kick Saddam out of Kuwait. America did.
France has reasonable navy for a Euro nation, and a lot of frigates/patrol vessels/minehunters that would have a lot easier time navigating the strait then a Burke.

I don't remember who the LCS' main sponsor admirals were, but they have got to be going through champaign like its water right now. I can't even comprehend the level of vindicated they are feeling at present.

Trump was 100% correct to leave these Eurofucks high and dry. Pussies are capitulating to a regime that's near-death and will be literally dead once the water runs out in a few months.
We should bomb all of Iran's oil infrastructure out of principle just to prove to these limp-wristed queers that they don't get to make deals with terrorists.
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Macron you faggot its always been that way, you just now can't pretend the risk wasn't always there.

Not quite. The name pretty much says it all: Low-cost Uncrewed Combat Air System. In American doctrine and usage they're something intended to throw at enemy air defense as basically a decoy for the actual weapons, except unlike a typical decoy you really can't afford to not shoot at them because they pack enough explosives to hurt what they hit, even if they might not outright destroy it. Various third-worlders just spam them without having a serious follow-up attack coordinated.
Well to look at the stats they, along with the Shahed-136 and Geran they're based off are pretty shit. A very slow, remote piloted bomb with a rather wimpy payload. But they are extremely cheap, long ranged and can be produced at scale very quickly much to the consternation of patriot and S-300 operators everywhere.

Their main contribution is being able to overwhelm air defense systems through sheer numbers for the big, fancy munitions.

They’re also very useful in a low-intensity counter insurgency sorta conflict. They can act as loitering munitions flying over some shithole village for a few hours. When they spot a militant with an RPG or something with their camera they can kamikaze dive on them. The small warhead would limit collateral damage.
You are also overlooking something important to for western nations.
Shaheeds/Lucas are run by small plane engines. If you are about to hit something in a civilian area, that lawnmower noise gives civilians in the area notice "oh fuck its on".
and like Fred Herbert says, the small payload is great because it limits collateral damage.

Iran has also succeeded in taking down many Hermes and MQ-9s with the 358 loitering cruise missile.
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The 358 what you get if a drone and R-27 air to air missile had sex. Its a weird contraption that has no western equivalent. Its a high-tech passive interceptor with a mini turbo jet so it can loiter around and wait for targets to approach but has high maneuverability and a powerful warhead. The US has AIM Sidewinders and Spike missiles but those are not capable of loitering like the 358 is since they don't have an engine. The 358 has been successful at downing many drones and pose a large threat to planes and helicopters.

MQ-9s and Hermes drones are not cheap, nor should they be treated as something you can lose by the dozen. The US needs an equivalent to this beyond cheap FPV interceptors used in Ukraine. Complacency is a killer for militaries, look at Iran, they relied on ballistic missiles while neglecting their air force. We can just copy them when the dust settles. Im sure some IRGC guy will steal one and sell one to us for $10,000.
the US had loitering cruise missiles with a viable pre-production stage reached, but the programs were scrapped because of lack of need and concerns about what would happen if they went amok.

Iran can use them because they don't have an airforce anymore. There is no fear of blue-on-blue.

Zelenskiy's only chipping in because he's hoping the next president sees how helpful he was in a few years and consider giving more money to Ukraine, I doubt he'd be so forthcoming if we were still giving him what Biden gave.
It's all pragmatic. Show the rest of the world how effective your drone interceptors are? You will get not only political good will with the help, but money, contracts, and production. By sparing a few hundred soldiers and like a percentage of your defensive capability, you might generate 10x the worth in a short order.
Ukraine is sending a small number of troops to provide expertise and demonstrate to Europe why Ukraine is a good "investment".

Adding to this, fucking with Iran fucks with Russia, which they have a vested interest in doing so.
If a a regime change happens and a non-sanctioned Iran re-enters the global oil market, Russia monumentally fucked long term if oil goes back down.

Even if nothing comes of it, it cost them almost nothing to do it - just temporary retasking of less than 50 air defense guys and some of their anti-shaheed systems, and Iran being buttmad at them. But "nothing" is unlikely to be the result. They are also demonstrating to the gulf nations their anti-drone hardware. I'm fair sure Ukraine's defense industry will be booking a quantity of orders for their systems for FY26. And very possibly getting some contributions to their war chest.

So its a very low-cost, high-upside plan.

Zelensky and Ukraine have the more immediate here and now problem with Russia. Getting on or at least off Trump's bad side right now helps to ensure the next president knows Ukraine will do quid pro quo when ask to and even do so without first being ask.
Also remember that Russia provided targeting data to Iran about american & british assets. Ukraine is sending anti-drone advisors.
When this is over and Trump is looking for the next person to be mad at, Zelensky is making sure it won't be him.

To be fair the flow of those drones has somewhat reversed in recent times. With Iran starting to fire off Russian made shaheds during this conflict alone (identified by examining downed drones in surrounding gulf states and finding the hardware inside of it with labels all written in Russian)
As of 2024, 60% of Russian Gerans Shaheeds used some level of Iranian production. Shaheeds use small aircraft engines which Iran has trouble producing, so at least part of the trade was these small civilian aircraft engines, which didn't run afoul of any international arms treaties.

Russia has licensed production Shaheed factories that are definitely able to produce whole drones, but they weren't going to turn down allied production to help increase their numbers, and it looks like part of the payment for those drones & parts were latest-model GLONASS chips, as well as aforementioned engines.

You are correct that since shit has hit the fan, the flow of drones & parts has reversed and Iran is now getting supplied by Russia.

These are cool allies. They want us to capture shit and blow things up.
Don't get too many warm fuzzies about UAE. The UAE has been trying for the past 20-30 years to become a modern-day Renaissance Venice (that is, a small wealthy nation that uses diplomatic connections to hit well abover its weight in regional- and geo-politics).

Someone posted a video earlier in this thread going over just how absolutely raped their foreign policy had been in the past 10 years with everything they'd been working to build blowing up in their face.

So this might just be them wanting to create an opportunity for influence expansion.
Again, not unreasonable or bad on its face, but be careful about trusting Arabs.

Trump trying to act like NATO isn't pulling its weight on Iran, as if that isn't the most crowded Zoom call I've ever seen.
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Europe has formed a committee to release a statement about the situation. Iran and the US are finished, Russia on suicide watch.

How many days do you think that the IRGC can survive without water? It could end in 3 days, if the US and Israel are ruthless enough. Even the Romans knew that if you cut off the enemy's water, you win.
tl;dr: It doesn't matter, the US couldn't cut off all their water. Iran has a lot of fresh water, ground water, and ancient irrigation systems that capture mountain snow melt/run off. Iran has enough water for its population, they don't have enough water for its population, Industry, and agriculture-in-the-goddamn-desert.

Even Kuwait and the UAE have plans in place for their desalination plants to be offlined, including sourcing via the saudis and deliveries from Iraq.

Paying $2M a ship is far cheaper than losing or even getting a ship severely damaged, it's also a lot easier and less controversial than deploying ships.
Goddamn. You might be brown but you have really adopted the Eurocuck mindset.
"We'll just pay the ransom. Certainly there will be no long term consequences from being an utter cuck. It definitely won't single us out as easy marks."



France has a powerful military
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

All of this is very odd, Europe has been in the process of militarizing since the Ukraine war but it's a really slow process, I think it's an intelligence failure on the part of the US to assume that Europe is even capable of helping significantly on such short notice.
I agree: expecting Euro to act in their own interests and do anything other than completely cuck to muslims was optimism to the level of madness.

But that's probably not the point of the exercise. It lets Trump offload all blame for rising energy costs in Europe to the European leadership, and domestically lets him continue to shit on Europe as being worthless; I know this will be a blow to your fragile serf-pysche as you arent the center of everything, but the point of shitting on Europe is only partly about shitting on Europe to make them be less of strategic liabilities, its mostly about creating a link of
"Europe is too gay and worthless to save itself -> Democrats can't stop sucking off Europe -> Democrats will make the US as gay and worthless as Europe".

Obama, who you Eurofags love so much, wasn't able to get his requested 2% GDP from NATO members. Trump did, despite all the malding from across the pond.

Does anyone want to tell me what the Trump plan is to open the strait, and how long it's going to take, because it's clearly it didn't just take four to five weeks
The plan is for nations that actually rely on the strait to open it. So talk to your own government.

What should they do in this case then, Ghostse is an extremely emotional bumpkin
I know you are all surly because the call to prayer wakes you up every morning but don't take it out on me.

It's clear that the Europeans are beginning to find Iran the more rational and predictable actor than Trump, all the surprises have come from him.
"Ok yes Iran has lashed out at every nation on the Persian gulf and ordered its proxies to attack bases of European nations despite Europe claiming non-involvement. And gunned down 40,000 of its own citizen. But Trump says mean things about us. Clearly Iran is the rational actor."

A lot of this thread and is even included in Ghostese's post is the wishful thinking that there will be regime change in Iran, there is no clear viable opposition to the regime and the Iranian security apparatus continues to function, even the Kurds have refused to move in. You still see people in this thread saying "why aren't the Iranians rising up?"
The people saying "why aren't the Iranians rising up" are low-effort BRICS simps carrying out their latest orders from their handlers.

I know you are willfully retarded and only pretending to have no memory or ability to read but I'll say it again:
Iran has been dealing with protests over how shit the situation has gotten over water, over the banks failing, and over regime oppression.

Azerbaijan (and their huge army of almost 60,000) was about ready to go over the border after Iran hit them with missiles but was seemingly talked down. Some of the Kurd groups are alreadying sending fighters and weapons in anticipation. All of the handlers are telling people to stay inside, stay safe, and stay away from anything that might be a target.

The US (and possible Kike) position is to create an environment where the population will have an opportunity to rise up and overthrow the government. If they do not, the Burger/Kike and now possibly Arab alliance just flattens Iran's oil infrastructure and goes home, and we can try again in 10 years.

So if it happens, great. If it doesn't, oh well.

You reap what you've sown and you'll either be the next USSR thanks to the EU or you'll become a caliphate, which is more likely.
That's not an "or" situation. The USSR had the 2nd highest population of muslims on earth after Indonesia by total number. By raw population of muslims, Russian Federation is still in the top 5.
Sit down before reading this:
Russia has more muslims than the UK and France combined.

The average Chinese tourist or student, which doesn’t have the best reputation, tends to be friendlier and open to suggestions than Europeans. This includes even the little pinks. For example if locals tell some tourists they should drink a gallon of of water a day because they’re hiking in a desert and they can die of dehydration, the Chinese will usually take the locals at their word but the Europeans will scoff and think it’s some hill billy nonsense… and then proceed to get heat exhaustion and in the worst cases die.
Off topic, but that's not been my experience. ChiComs are better at pretending they are listening and obeying while you are present, but then will do whatever dumb shit they were intending to do once you aren't watching.
See: The number of Chinese Tourists in yellowstone with animal encounters.

My experience with Euros and the desert is that Euros lack complete comprehension of "Temperatures over 90F exist outside the surface of the sun" and that "humans can survive in enivronments with less than 40% humidity"; they just think because they aren't covered in sweat they don't need to drink that much because they were fine doing a day tour in Rome, not taking into account that their sweat is evaporating and they are losing a shocking ammount of water just breathing.
though to be fair to the Euros, they aren't alone. Canadians and wester coasters are very close.
 
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Being a massive anti-American euronigger sperging about muh holiday leave isn't winning anyone over.
I'm not trying to win anyone over. If someone seethes about Eu and UK, I laugh and point out how retarded your corporate-owned, nigger-worshipping country is.

What's a shame, is that a small portion of america and american people are sound. The "leave me in the wilderness to grill and exist" part of america is wholesome, ruined by the niggers, spics, goycattle, NPCs, bughives and jewcum petrodollar-hungry demons that are the MIC, CIA and tech industry.

NATO, UN, Russia, Europe and EU should invade america, wipe out the aforementioned cancer in america for the good of the world and turn the country into United States of ChillnGrill.
You go to jail for tweets calling for Muslim rapists to get deported.
Only retards use social media and I choose not to use it. Can you choose to have your holiday entitlement and modern worker rights?
 
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