Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra

Avatar: Best animated series or best animated series ever?


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I know that this is a kids series, but I question why they made the dialog and story so childish. All the fans of Avatar are adults now, no child cares about this franchise. Were they expecting the millennial dads that grew up with Avatar to watch it with their kids?
 
S4/S5 was so bad that they blamed the quality drop on the new head writer who went and made an already woke slop show even gayer by having the main male and female lead break up and introducing a new tranny character. When promptly walked everything back when the head writer got outsed but it was too late
After LOK, I have noticed that every show an ATLA alumnus works on, there is the same elements: Very good designs, elements as a power system and a complete failure stemming from wanting to make the show more woke than it already was. Voltron started out as the definitive take on the idea that combined elements from every series and was a love letter only to become boring, waste all its potential and basically insult you for giving a damn.

The Dragon Prince also had the same problems but worse. MORE WOKE PANDERING BUT... Actually everything stems from the woke pandering. They even had the elves trying to justify invading human lands but threw a hissy fit every time humans fought back. Nearly every elf or dragon felt the need to go and kill helpless humans and humans were in the wrong for trying to defend themselves with the only thing they had: Dark Magic. Then, we find out that humans could have learned other magic too but the elves felt that would be bad for no reason other than racism. The only argument that the elves had for refusing to help humans (or even stop hunting them) was that it would make them a tougher prey. The standard elf/dragon ideology in the Dragon Prince is nearly identical to the DRUKHARI! AND WE ARE TO SEE THEM AS SYMPATHETIC! The Emperor was right. The point is, the writers did not think of the implications from a geopolitical/continuity/world-building standpoint. You see them ease off on that but they literally spend millennia treating humanity as foxes for their fox hunt.

It reads as if it were written by the propaganda arm of the Nazi Party from how mind-breakingly racist it feels.

Wasn't LoK a flop, or am I remembering wrong?
The first season performed so well that it was bumped from a mini series to a full on TV series. Subsequent seasons had a sharp decline and the series was effectively moved off the network in the middle of S3 and S4 was online only.
I remember that there was a stupid change in time slot and that ruined things.
 
Voltron started out as the definitive take on the idea that combined elements from every series and was a love letter only to become boring, waste all its potential and basically insult you for giving a damn.
Its still funny to me how much the staff fucked this up to the point where NOBODY defends it or even looks back on it fondly and this year is the 10th anniversary. Nu-Ra was completely fucking shit but it pandered so hard into the other aisle that it'll always have dents even if it was objectively shit but Voltron got fucked despite being as woke and pandering as possible which is just so funny to me because it could have been easily avoided but they got too greedy.
 
Its still funny to me how much the staff fucked this up to the point where NOBODY defends it or even looks back on it fondly and this year is the 10th anniversary. Nu-Ra was completely fucking shit but it pandered so hard into the other aisle that it'll always have dents even if it was objectively shit but Voltron got fucked despite being as woke and pandering as possible which is just so funny to me because it could have been easily avoided but they got too greedy.
The issue with Voltron was that it didn't commit. It failed at shipping, it failed at living up to its potential and at giving people the outcome they desired.

Almost no character ended up with someone they were shipped with, characters and plot points ended as opposed to resolve and the ending felt deflating as opposed to grand.

There was nothing to latch on to. Nothing of what we wanted ended up happening and the journey became dull after a while.

Shera at least ended the way its fans wanted and that counts for something. Voltron was filled with people with ideas but no one to find the diamonds amongst the shit. They needed a definitive showrunner that could act like a tard wrangler. Sadly, no one wanted to rock that boat and here is what happened.
 
Film really wasn't bad, great animation (even if some of you spergs wanna disagree). Yea the plot was simple but this is a kids movie you gotta remember. I'm just surprised Paramount didn't drop this in theaters, easily could of made 20-40 million. Personally I'm convinced this film was gonna go the batgirl route, silently cancelled to get a tax break. Be happy this was decent as you'll have a whole new shit tier series on the way to sour any still lingering love for the series if avatar doesn't just fall apart because of this film.
 
I just realized that there's a glaring plot hole.

Tagah killed Aang with his air sniper move while the latter was in the Avatar State (and before you say that no, Aang was just knocked out, Katara literally says that Tagah iced all of them and she had to revive them with spirit water).

Yet somehow the Avatar cycle isn't broken by this.
 
This is the franchise that both gave me faith in western animation and then killed it.

It is a miracle the OG series was as good as it was. There wasn't a single "genius". It was a delicate balance of them all tard wrangling each other and Nickelodeon also tard wrangling them all to stop them from injecting their dumb politics.

Once they all went their separate ways and with the woke era just starting, thus also tying Nickelodeon's hands, it all went to shit.

Korra was patient zero of making a plain unlikeable main character, and then trying to save the terrible writing by retconning her as a lesbian as a shield. Since then, besides a few gems like Smiling Friends, it's been all downhill since then.

I do feel bad for the animators, and the potential the creators killed with their egos. But I am not shedding any tears for seeing them fail, and the leak. This franchise has been all woke propaganda, nostalgia bait, and garbage ever since ATLA ended, with very very few exceptions.
 
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My thing with the animation is that it's only good during the fight scenes, outside of that it feels like it's utterly lost on what they want to do when some big sequence isn't happening but still feel like everything needs to be moving for the sake of it.

Most of the gang feel like they're just there. Sokka is either just making random jokes or screaming that they're gonna die. Toph really, REALLY, wants some dick. Zuko is there, I guess. And Katara comes the closest to having a place in the story by, once or twice, wondering if the villain guy is on the up and up.

The Denied just feel like an even more underdeveloped version of the equalists that were tacked on just to give this non-canon shonen movie named henchmen to fight the gang, coming off as particularly whiny and shallow when they're yelling at gang that they don't understand their pain because 'the world hasn't been good to us; NOT LIKE YOU' in-between laughing like maniacs at the mass murder of innocent people. There's no way that Aang's legend doesn't lead with him being the dude so chill and opposed to violence that he spared the Fire Lord's life, yet the Denied characters keep talking about him like they expect him to be a killing machine.

I like the villain overall, though I feel like we could have spent more time fleshing out him and Aang's relationship. Him fucking murdering the entire cast was probably my favourite fight.

The humour misses more than it hits, and when it misses it feels terribly out-of-place. The whole movie is about Aang's guilt and his desperations to preserve his culture, and yet when the Denied are actively destroying what remains of the temple he's trying to preserve, he just reacts like "Oh, come on. Don't do that. That's my stuuuuuuff."

There's so much memberberries in this movie, god damn. Like, every other scene is "Member that character? Member that joke? Member the thing they said? Member cabbage guy? We gotta have three cuts to cabbage guy until he's cabbaging- HE'S CABBAGING ALL OVER!"
After LOK, I have noticed that every show an ATLA alumnus works on, there is the same elements: Very good designs, elements as a power system and a complete failure stemming from wanting to make the show more woke than it already was. Voltron started out as the definitive take on the idea that combined elements from every series and was a love letter only to become boring, waste all its potential and basically insult you for giving a damn.
Only thing I remember about Voltron was all main villains ending up getting retconned as 'Super duper good dudes who got corrupted by evil juice', Lance getting confirmed as basically giving up on life so he can pine over his dead last-minute girlfriend, and many emotional character building scenes with Shiro being made meaningless because it was a fake Shiro the whole time but don't worry he's getting reamed by that random background dude.
 
Only thing I remember about Voltron was all main villains ending up getting retconned as 'Super duper good dudes who got corrupted by evil juice', Lance getting confirmed as basically giving up on life so he can pine over his dead last-minute girlfriend, and many emotional character building scenes with Shiro being made meaningless because it was a fake Shiro the whole time but don't worry he's getting reamed by that random background dude.
See? That's all everyone remembers. Because that is all that happened. Lothor was fridged, Lance became a hermit, Shiro was mishandled and the rest became an afterthought. That is not how you write stuff. It seems like everyone chipped in ideas and they were accepted into a Frankensteined idea of a story.

Like, look at the idea of Shiro being a sleeper agent. It could have worked if he was himself all the time except when he was activated but that is not what happened.

There was no tard wrangler willing to do his job.
 
This is straight up delusional. Avatar has never done well enough to be saying something like this
They didn't even bother building up hype for it either.
I just felt like the movie was too short; the plot that they're working with can't reasonably be turned into a standalone 8 episode show unless you add in a ton of filler or new stuff and so they didn't do that and went with a movie but that movie only being about 90 minutes made it feel rushed. An example of this is with the rapid transition between Katara fighting Tagrah and the rest of the gang joining in.
This movie should've been at least over 2 hours long.
 
Like, look at the idea of Shiro being a sleeper agent. It could have worked if he was himself all the time except when he was activated but that is not what happened.
Shiro was originally going to die but he became far too popular so they made an incredibly convoluted loophole so he could keep coming back. Every issue with writing stems from Shiro and extends to everything else in the show connected with him because they flat-out did not want to get rid of him.

The funny thing about all this praise about animation is that these shows and movie were animated in Korea.
Not the west.
TECHNICALLY it was done in Australia thanks to Flying Bark but the credits show that post processing were mostly done by Studio MiR stationed in Korea hence why its nothing but gooks towards the end.
 
I... And this got 7 seasons? This is why I don't partake in modern media. I'm sure the diaperfurs had a field day with this.
Want to know the best part? They didn't finish the story because they were expecting to get more. Season 7 ends with blatant sequel bait as the main villain is immortal and wasn't permanently killed.

Netflix refused to give them more seasons, so they crowdfunded "The Dragon King". They reached their funding goal but I haven't heard of any news since, so who knows if it'll get made. Hopefully not. If you failed to wrap up your story in seven fucking seasons then it deserves to be left unfinished.

I just realized that there's a glaring plot hole.

Tagah killed Aang with his air sniper move while the latter was in the Avatar State (and before you say that no, Aang was just knocked out, Katara literally says that Tagah iced all of them and she had to revive them with spirit water).

Yet somehow the Avatar cycle isn't broken by this.
He's still alive when he gets hit with the air blast and is knocked out of the Avatar state, he only dies when he's slammed into the ground.

But still, the fact that everyone is killed and brought back to life is mentioned so flippantly, you get 5 seconds of Katara explaining "yes, you all died, but thankfully I woke up in a pond with spiritual powers and brought you back". If they're revived in the next scene why even have them die at all? Did Aang really need to die to speak to Sonam? How long does an Avatar have to stay dead until the next one is born?
 
Shiro was originally going to die but he became far too popular so they made an incredibly convoluted loophole so he could keep coming back. Every issue with writing stems from Shiro and extends to everything else in the show connected with him because they flat-out did not want to get rid of him.
Yes and no. Yes that in the sense that a lot of things can be traced back to that and no in the sense that they had time to make adjustments. The White Lion subplot could have been used to keep him in the story.
 
Yes that in the sense that a lot of things can be traced back to that and no in the sense that they had time to make adjustments.
True but that was never their prerogative they just wanted an excuse to keep using their token gay Asain rep and it blew up in their faces. They wound up making a mess out of something that was easily avoidable.
 
Someone made a pretty good stonetoss edit

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True but that was never their prerogative they just wanted an excuse to keep using their token gay Asain rep and it blew up in their faces. They wound up making a mess out of something that was easily avoidable.
The gay is a non-issue here. Just have Shiro be teleported back to Earth by the Black Lion in order to protect him. There, he tells everyone about the Empire and Voltron and they begin the development of the White Lion. That is the last we see of Shiro until it is time to save everyone with his new ride. See? It is not that hard. I kept the original idea of Shiro leaving and being presumed dead by the crew with Keith taking over but the audience knows he is alive and you barely have to change anything. They could have had it all.
 
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