Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

[Butterschmalz]

What I love about this website is when you guys downvote me I take a quick look at your history and it's like a reverse "early life" section on Wikipedia it's always "the Jews" or "Zionists" which kinda explains why you're all in here and not actually debating the situation, you're here because the captcha on 4chan is too hard now.

There is war going on you fuckin bridge troll. Pack your shit. Let's go.
Don't worry about 4chan, accounts, downvoting, debates, early life,etc. That shit will solve itself. Let's fuckin go!

 

[neger psykolog]

There is war going on you fuckin bridge troll. Pack your shit. Let's go.
Don't worry about 4chan, accounts, downvoting, debates, early life,etc. That shit will solve itself. Let's fuckin go!

Drone strike POV footage but instead of that one Russian guy sucking the dick of another Russian soldier it's just a speedrunner zzz-list nobody celebrity tranny using their secret kiwifarms account to call people nigger.

If Donald Trump and AIPAkistanis aren't a bit more careful, Americans might wake up tomorrow with this nigga saying chetori on their front doorstep


Orange nigger should fear the unibrow nigger

 

[AltisticRight]

If Donald Trump and AIPAkistanis aren't a bit more careful, Americans might wake up tomorrow with this nigga saying chetori on their front doorstep
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Orange nigger should fear the unibrow nigger

You're telling me killing a ceremonial 80-something cancer-ridden Ayatollah didn't immediately cause Iran to surrender?
Are you a liberal Jew sperg?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The jew version of taqiyya everyone

Someone from a society where every other person is named Mohammed crying about how people can't have the same name.

It’s called pilpul

Pilpul (Hebrew: פלפול, pronounced "pill-pool") is a method of intense, analytical Talmudic study involving rigorous debate, hairsplitting distinctions, and legal, casuistic reasoning to reconcile contradictions in Jewish law.

Remember, everything accuse others of they do themselves.

Only you guys would see a method of reasoning where nuance is considered to be bad. Otherwise you might have to think about your inconsistency in screaming about Epstein while everything that Epstein did including sex with underage girls is legal in Iran and approved of by the government

That's why the Israeli state has conflated anti-Zionism (pursuit of a Jewish-majority colonial ethnostate) with antisemitism (this whole thread).

You see your fellow retards crying about the Jews specifically constantly and then label it anti Zionism then complain

Israel validates their existence when public figures and Internet forums keep bringing up the JQ.

You would figure you were self aware enough to realize your audience.

Daily reminder Catch the Foreskin tried to convince us this was AI and only backed down and pretended to apologize when he lost izzat.

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These are the people who call you brown. God, I’d rather be a nigger than this Hills Have Eyes mutant.

The difference between you and me is that when I realized I was wrong I admitted it and explained my logic. You doubled down on the pedophile endorsement and made a performance out of it.

You're telling me killing a ceremonial 80-something cancer-ridden Ayatollah didn't immediately cause Iran to surrender?
Are you a liberal Jew sperg?

What's the deal with pretending that anyone said this? You guys constantly create claims that you attribute to the US and then crow when the made up claims don't happen

 

[AssignedEva]

What's the deal with pretending that anyone said this? You guys constantly create claims that you attribute to the US and then crow when the made up claims don't happen

The plan was a decapitation strike followed by populist uprising/sectarian violence leading to regime change and either installation of a pro-Western puppet (America's aim) or just longer term balkanisation and ungovernable infighting removing Iran from regional control (acceptable secondary outcome for Israel).

It didn't work, and it's not because the Iranian people got told "not yet, wait before you do an uprising".

You know that symbol in between means not in the same group right, the disjoint symbol.

∩ means intersection. This thread is the intersection of the Iran War and Trump politics. It's only a disjoint if Iran War ∩ Trump Politics = ∅ (there are no elements in common, an empty set), and clearly there's a lot of overlap.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The plan was a decapitation strike followed by populist uprising/sectarian violence leading to regime change and either installation of a pro-Western puppet (America's aim) or just longer term balkanisation and ungovernable infighting removing Iran from regional control (acceptable secondary outcome for Israel).

You have this narrative set up to the point where the actual facts don't matter here

It didn't work, and it's not because the Iranian people got told "not yet, wait before you do an uprising".

If that was the case, why did Israel/US only focus on Basij in the later weeks with the earlier weeks being IRGC strikes exclusively? The plan was an immediate uprising according to you but nothing they did shows they expected one and as you yourself coped, they explicitly were told to wait. Basij checkpoints getting reported to Israel in real time for them to bomb indicates some level of support.

 

[Pedophobe]

There’s also incompetence. We’re talking about the same military that bombed a Chinese embassy once.

That was definitely on purpose.

it's been over 6 weeks. i was told that was as long as it was going to be, and i was an idiot for doubting it. what happened?

Clock's stopped, we're having a Time Out until the 22nd.

 

[AssignedEva]

as you yourself coped

I only mentioned it because it's one of your go to lines - the Iranian populist uprising is going to happen, they're just waiting to be told to do it by the country that's been bombing them.

Basij checkpoints getting reported to Israel in real time for them to bomb indicates some level of support.

I am certain there is some level of support for an overthrow of the Iranian regime. The sentiment that drove crowds like this to form in January

did not evaporate overnight. Although I am willing to wager that a lot of Iranians are now primarily focused on America and Israel being their enemy and attacking them.
The topic at hand is whether or not a populist uprising would work.
A lot of Israelis dislike Bibi. If America killed half the Knesset, the top brass in the IDF and the head of Mossad, would Israelis successfully rise up to overthrow the Israeli regime in favour of an American puppet committed to a two-state solution? Or is it likely not enough Israelis would be on board with that plan and it would fail?

 

[Kankichi Ryotsu]

next one

How do we tell him?

 

[Vlad the Implier]

Hard Archive goes H A R D.

I am certain there is some level of support for an overthrow of the Iranian regime. The sentiment that drove crowds like this to form in January did not evaporate overnight. Although I am willing to wager that a lot of Iranians are now primarily focused on America and Israel being their enemy and attacking them.

This is their cope and its extremely disingenuous. Iranians had a genuine shot at a revolt to overthrow the government but with Bibi and Trump's spergout, this has significantly reduced their chances and resulted in a renewal of resentment towards the the US and Israel. Anyone whose kids were liquidated in an air strike or are otherwise now experiencing hardship are not going to want an American/Israeli friendly government.

Its been decades and people just refuse to learn that you cannot bomb a people into liking you.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

A lot of Israelis dislike Bibi. If America killed half the Knesset, the top brass in the IDF and the head of Mossad, would Israelis successfully rise up to overthrow the Israeli regime in favour of an American puppet committed to a two-state solution? Or is it likely not enough Israelis would be on board with that plan and it would fail?

The average Israeli was not radically impoverished by their government choosing to undergo sanctions instead of limiting their nuclear program. They also aren't forced to obey a religion that many of them don't believe in with the threat of death or severe punishment from religious police who patrol to make sure public morality is obeyed and they don't have their wealth stolen by the IDF so it can sponsor groups across the middle east. The IRGC got all of Irans oil profits, everything went to either weapons or the pockets of IRGC make work projects. The whole drought in Iran is partly because of the IRGC running the water Mafia which built unneeded dams as make work projects for them to skim money off.

Its apples and oranges. The fact that you brought this up shows a serious misunderstanding of how the average Iranian feels about their government and the shit it puts them through..

 

[dabila]

The average Israeli was not radically impoverished by their government choosing to undergo sanctions instead of limiting their nuclear program. They also aren't forced to obey a religion that many of them don't believe in with the threat of death or severe punishment from religious police who patrol to make sure public morality is obeyed and they don't have their wealth stolen by the IDF so it can sponsor groups across the middle east. The IRGC got all of Irans oil profits, everything went to either weapons or the pockets of IRGC make work projects. The whole drought in Iran is partly because of the IRGC running the water Mafia which built unneeded dams as make work projects for them to skim money off.

Its apples and oranges. The fact that you brought this up shows a serious misunderstanding of how the average Iranian feels about their government and the shit it puts them through..

lying jewfag, they limited their nuclear program, then trump broke the deal and sanctioned them anyways. They agreed to further limits on their nuclear program, and then the kike double team attacked anyways again. Their biggest problem is that they were bothering with negotiations for such a long time against demonic jews who are obviously hellbent on more death and destruction and can only be pacified by their own deaths.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

I guess it's not just the Iran thread that you can get banned from for going against the jewish narrative.

Made one post and replied to someone quoting me once.

A Free Speech website, unless you go against the jew, then SHUT IT DOWN.

 

[AssignedEva]

The average Israeli was not radically impoverished by their government choosing to undergo sanctions instead of limiting their nuclear program. They also aren't forced to obey a religion that many of them don't believe in with the threat of death or severe punishment from religious police who patrol to make sure public morality is obeyed and they don't have their wealth stolen by the IDF so it can sponsor groups across the middle east. The IRGC got all of Irans oil profits, everything went to either weapons or the pockets of IRGC make work projects. The whole drought in Iran is partly because of the IRGC running the water Mafia which built unneeded dams as make work projects for them to skim money off.

Its apples and oranges. The fact that you brought this up shows a serious misunderstanding of how the average Iranian feels about their government and the shit it puts them through..

The point is more the state structures that are in place and how resistant they'd be to uprising, not that "Iranians and Israelis literally feel exactly the same about who's in charge of their countries". The recurrent mistake has been thinking that a decapitation strike would leave an easy opening for rebellion to take hold. There was a clear attempt to hedge that bet by arming the Kurds, although that also backfired.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

lying jewfag, they limited their nuclear program

They kept secret sites that the IAEA didn't know about until the Israelis stole the nuclear archive, I posted the link before. Even if they did stop it entirely, they reinvested the money that would have been spent on it into the IRGC and sending it abroad to their proxies.

You missed the entire point of my post because you couldn't get past the first sentence.

The point is more the state structures that are in place and how resistant they'd be to uprising, not that "Iranians and Israelis literally feel exactly the same about who's in charge of their countries". The recurrent mistake has been thinking that a decapitation strike would leave an easy opening for rebellion to take hold. There was a clear attempt to hedge that bet by arming the Kurds, although that also backfired.

Israeli state structures are far weaker, see judicial reform and the constant elections. Jews also have qualms about killing other Jews. Israel can't even stop the Arab criminals from killing each other or the Arabs in the negev flying in weapons from Jordan via drones.

 

[souschef]

They kept secret sites that the IAEA didn't know about until the Israelis stole the nuclear archive

The jews, known for their honesty and never fabricating anything ever

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The jews, known for their honesty and never fabricating anything ever

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https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/iaea-investigations-irans-nuclear-activities

The IAEA’s second investigation into Iran's past nuclear activities began in 2018 and is focused on evidence suggesting that Iran failed to declare all nuclear materials and activities from its pre-2003 nuclear program as legally required by its safeguards agreement. The investigation does not re-open the military dimensions file: it is focused on Iran's nuclear material accountancy obligations under its safeguards agreements.

As part of this investigation, the IAEA visited three undeclared locations in 2019 and 2020. Environmental samples taken from all three sites indicated that processed uranium had been present at all three locations. Iran has yet to provide the IAEA with technically credible explanations for the presence of uranium at two of those sites, Turquzabad and Varamin. In a May 2023 report, the IAEA said it had no further questions regarding the third site where uranium was detected, Marivan. The IAEA assessed that Iran conducted “explosive experiments with protective shielding in preparation for the use of neutron detectors.” Iran claimed that a third-party state operating a mine and chemical lab at the site contaminated the area with uranium. The IAEA said this was a "possible" explanation.

They only knew about this because of Israel stealing Iran's nuclear archive:

The agency’s safeguards investigation began after Israel stole documents pertaining to Tehran’s past nuclear weapons program from Iran earlier that year and shared the so-called “Atomic Archive” with the agency. Then Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also publicly pressed the IAEA to investigate a warehouse in the Turkazabad district of Iran during a speech to the UN General Assembly in September 2018.

While the IAEA has not publicly discussed the archive, IAEA officials have reiterated that any information provided by member states is subject to the agency’s review and verification process. Additionally, then U.S. Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Andrea Thompson confirmed in March 2019 that the IAEA was evaluating the archival materials.

Those damn Israelis putting nuclear material in the secret sites

 

[dabila]

They kept secret sites that the IAEA didn't know about until the Israelis stole the nuclear archive, I posted the link before. Even if they did stop it entirely, they reinvested the money that would have been spent on it into the IRGC and sending it abroad to their proxies.

You missed the entire point of my post because you couldn't get past the first sentence.

The "point of your post" doesn't matter, you treblinkan. Why would I care about what Israelis or Iranians think about their governments? Democracy is retarded.

The point is that you are constantly lying. The "trove of documents" released was just a rehashment of information that had already been previously dealt with by the IAEA. It was mostly a nothingburger that was hyped up as some kind of big deal to build propaganda to get the west to pull out of the JCPOA. Because jews don't want diplomacy, they only care about killing and destroying, so they can have more blood for their matzah.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The "trove of documents" released was just a rehashment of information that had already been previously dealt with by the IAEA. It was mostly a nothingburger that was hyped up as some kind of big deal to build propaganda to get the west to pull out of the JCPOA. Because jews don't want diplomacy, they only care about killing and destroying, so they can have more blood for their matzah.

Read the post right above you Ahmed

Jews don't eat blood, have to be incredibly stupid to see a commandment saying Jews cant eat blood and think Jews eat blood

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

I guess it's not just the Iran thread that you can get banned from for going against the jewish narrative.

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Made one post and replied to someone quoting me once.

A Free Speech website, unless you go against the jew, then SHUT IT DOWN.

Nobody cares, goy. Post Twitter screenshots, praise Israel, or stfu.