Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Holy fuck.

Magyar is doing an international press conference. He interrupted his speech as someone notified him what Szijjártó is doing right now.

Szijjártó, as you know, is the Russian spy/Hungarian FM who was so treasonous even the various EU intelligence agencies were leaking to the press about his conversations with Lavrov in order to preserve the alliance's interests (I've talked about this in many-many posts if you read a few pages back).

Szijjártó was not present at the FIDESZ results party and he gave no signs of life since then, completely fell off the face of the earth. All we saw were various government planes going towards CIS shitholes and Africa. Everyone speculated he's escaped to Moscow or Chad or something. As I said, Magyar interrupted his speech telling everyone not to worry, Szijjártó is alive and well and according to his sources from inside the Foreign Ministry he is in there with his closest confidants shredding piles of boxes of documents, related to Russian sanction talks among other things. :story:
So, if you thought these niggers are comically incompetent before... No wonder Putin and co are already pretending like they were never buddies with Orban at all. Not to mention most analysts say that there were actual (pretend-Ukrainian) Russian agitators and a false flag plan in Hungary, but seeing the landslide victory and Orban's all around general incompetence they decided not to pull the trigger and just accepted defeat.


These are the bins outside the Foreign Ministry this morning- all completely full with nothing but shredded documents.

You could assume SURELY they can't be damning, important documents or else they wouldn't dispose of them this way; if they werent, why the fuck would they shred it at all? They have no obligation. Not to mention even the way the paper is shredded is not up to safety standards, these are all long strips instead of the microconfetti. (this isn't surprising considering I assume up to this point the shredders were acquired through public procurement; like everything else this meant the quality is shit but at least it's comically overpriced)

There are multiple reports that ministries have all ordered new shredders with express shipping, and the ones they have are working overtime, literally ALL NIGHT they are shredding in locked offices. Mind you, this process started hours after they have lost the election, that same night the Foreign Ministry started shredding shit. Workers at these ministries have leaked multiple videos of this.



Also turns out Trump doesn't like Orban like that, he just likes people who win.
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Was it this thread where the african man was posted being made to put a landmine on at the front? I tried a few keyword searches but i couldn't find it.
 
These are the bins outside the Foreign Ministry this morning- all completely full with nothing but shredded documents.
Shredded documents, depending the shredder can be very easily reassembled. Likely these niggers are using cheap efforts that don't properly shred.

Raytheon to Manufacture $3.7 Billion Worth of Patriot Missiles for Ukraine​

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Raytheon has signed a $3.7 billion contract to supply Ukraine with Patriot GEM-T interceptor missiles.

The company reported that a new production facility in Germany is planned as a key element in supporting this agreement.

It is intended to ensure supply chain resilience and help replenish interceptor stocks in Ukraine.


The facility is operated by MBDA Deutschland through the COMLOG joint venture, established by Raytheon and MBDA Deutschland

“Raytheon is focused on maximizing production capacity and ensuring stable and reliable deliveries of these battle-proven interceptors to the U.S. and allies, such as Ukraine, who rely on Patriot to protect their citizens, infrastructure, and sovereignty,” said Raytheon President Phil Jasper......​

Militarnyi archive / Militarnyi original link

Ukrainian Defence Ministry announces rollout of new model of warfare: drone-assault units​

Tetyana Oliynyk, Olha Kyrylenko — 15 April, 20:19
Ukraine's Defence Ministry has announced the introduction of drone-assault units that will combine aerial and ground drones with infantry in a single system.

Source: Ukrainian Defence Ministry on social media

Quote: "A new model of warfare is being introduced – drone-assault units that combine aerial and ground drones with infantry into a single system."

Details: The ministry said this approach had already shown results in the south, where a large area of territory has been liberated since February thanks specifically to the use of these new units.....
Ukrainska Pravda archive / Ukrainska Pravda original link

Speaking of ending of nigger rule, the Hungarian troops on the border with Ukraine are now being withdrawn. The commanders blandly call it 'rationalisation' but it's a far more significant thing. An EU state will no longer see its resources put at the service of the Kremlin. There's still Slovakia to where Russian glowies are decamping. Hopefully Fico will be gone to Moscow, like Orbán likely be, playing Fortnite with Assad (in Moscow) and Epstein (in Israel or Florida if Palm Beach Pete is who he appears to be).

Hungary withdraws troops deployed to defend against "Ukrainian threat"​

Ivanna Kostina, Yevhen Kizilov — 15 April, 19:39
After the election in Hungary, troops deployed to guard critical infrastructure facilities against the so-called "Ukrainian threat" are being withdrawn from their positions.

Source: European Pravda citing HVG, a Hungarian online news portal

Details: During the election campaign, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán suggested that Ukraine could strike Hungarian energy systems amid what he claimed is the blocking of the resumption of oil flows through the Druzhba pipeline, and deployed troops to protect them.

The order to withdraw the troops was given by Gábor Böröndi, Chief of Defence Staff of the Hungarian Defence Forces.

Quote from the Hungarian Defence Forces: "The Hungarian Defence Forces have begun to rationalise the number of service personnel involved in reinforcing the protection of infrastructure and energy facilities."
Ukrainska Pravda archive / Ukrainska Pravda original link
 
documents, depending the shredder can be very easily reassembled. Likely these niggers are using cheap efforts that don't properly shred.
These are just strips, you could probably do the entire bin in a few days with a squad of like 15 autists who are REALLY into puzzles.

I think the issue with taking shit home from the perspective of just a random guy is what you're not seeing: many cameras pointed at the bins. This has the downside of not allowing you to take it home (it would be illegal, you would be arrested in like 10 minutes) and it has the upside of guaranteeing the videos are legit and not just someone taking a few black bags of shredded paper there and making a tik-tok out of it (Hungary's FM would immediately counter with surveillance footage saying Ukrainian spies paid by the EU are waging hybrid warfare against the reputation of Pyotr Szijjarto!!4!4 by planting suspicious bags into the bins of Hungarian government buildings) .

There has been no counter to the allegiations levied against the ministries besides "the papers are unimportant" (acknowledging there IS shredding) which makes zero sense on why people who hate working would expend extra time and resources to get rid of completely unimportant documents just as they are about to leave, and at a time when they have no obligation to even bother with anything. Even if it's both (as in they are shredding both important and unimportant paper), it's hard to imagine they are using unsafe techniques to shred certain documents and safe ones to shred other ones, or that they are burning certain documents and just binning other ones; even if this IS the case, it's hard to imagine there is no cross contamination happening.

Speaking of ending of nigger rule, the Hungarian troops on the border with Ukraine are now being withdrawn.
I think it will take time, but it's amazing for the mental health of the (below-average) average Hungarian; all these people had their minds poisoned and thought for the past however many years is that if there is no Orban Ukraine will immediately invade us, blow up all the nuclear reactors in Paks (which is why the soldiers put there are necessary) ,the price of gasoline will triple, migrant hordes will pour through the southern border, we'll officially become a vassal of the NWO led by reptilian Manfred Weber; if there is no Orban China, the US, Turkey, whoever will do zero business with us whose leaders are all great, amazing friends with the dear leader. Someone who is not named Orban would of course never be able to solve issues like sieging Brussels in order to bring the EU funds home or breaking the "Ukrainian oil blockade". If Magyar gets elected the very next day your children will be hauled away by the commissars of the newly founded Army of the European Federation into the Ukrainian front to be used as cannon fodder, and the ones who are too young for it will be undergoing EU mandated sex reassignment surgery.

The reality is: The Forint is at a 4 year all time high immediately after Orban is gone. The price of gasoline has gone down significantly, all the strategic reserves were able to be topped up. A lot of the government security protocols are already relaxed near government buildings in Budapest and journalists are able to film more/more comfortably near these buildings despite Orban still being in office technically. Turns out the Druzhba can and will be repaired (Zelenskyy immediately promised by the end of April the latest). Turns out Turkey, US, China etc. don't mind that it's not Orban and "likes" the new guy. The EU is willing to make concessions like they did with Poland in getting the EU funds. Russia is open to pragmatic dialogue and upholding the previous contracts, which is important because right now Hungary IS dependant on Russian oil and gas; doesn't have to be that way forever (and almost certainly won't be that way forever), but it is absolutely the case for however long it takes to make sure the refiners can operate with non-Urals and to make sure the Adria pipeline is all good. Also seems like there are no plans to draft Hungarian children into Ukraine and Zelenskyyyy isn't expending resources to blow up critical infrastructure or invade Hungary. All the Ukrainian spies meddling in Hungarian internal affairs are seemingly gone overnight aswell.

I think once there is a new media law drafted and there is some house cleaning done in the leadership of state media where it becomes independent and unbiased people will realise they have been lied to for the past 16 years. The workers are openly revolting against the editors and higher-ups already, claiming they were forced to align with certain actors ideologically or else they were fired, but now they demand freedom.
@latinlover
What was Orban's deal with China? It sounded like he glazed them as hard as he did Russia.
He was glazing China super hard but not half as much as he was Russia.

I think the main difference is the nature of the realtionships: in Russia's case what you saw with Szijjártó as an example (now that I ranted my heart out about the Foreign Ministry shredding evidence of treason) was that they were seemingly bowing to Russia for no real reason, there was no benefit. In the phone conversations Szijjarto was clearly subservient to Lavrov, almost like he was the asset and the Russians the handlers; Hungary got (seemingly) nothing out of running errands, doing favors, getting priests, oligarchs, Russian politicans, daughters and sons of these people, shadow companies, etc. off of sanctions lists or relaying information to the Russians about internal EU/NATO talks. It's almost like it was entirely ideological somehow and all these people were selling the country out for the love of the game not because it benefits them (besides skimming off the top with energy and certain investments like Paks 2, but it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things).

With China it was ALWAYS transactional. Poisoning the country with the battery plants, the BYD factory. The Budapest-Belgrade belt and road railway. Even diplomacy, Orban was at times shielding China from EU criticism and he did things like letting China establish a Police Department to keep tabs on their own citizens in Budapest's chinatown. All of these things resulted in money. Money that was opaque and able to be stolen and funneled to oligarchs extremely easily; and they didn't even have to actively sabotage their military and economic alliances' interests on a live battlefield nextdoor for it.

It being transactional also meant that sometimes the price was too high; China was one of the few things that showed the fragility of Orban's regime. In certain questions, mostly related to the Russians, they were hellbent; there is no amount of protests or pushback that would dissuade them. If there was public pushback against the Russia bootlicking they just doubled down on it anyway. With China it was different.

As an example: in 2021 Orban made a deal with China to bring a full campus of the Shanghai Fudan University, which is a school that specialized in making CCP political janissaries, so was more politically charged than average. It would have costed the Hungarian taxpayers like 2+ billion USD (and an even larger Chinese loan) all while involving Chinese contractors and labor. The construction would have taken place on land that Budapest was planning on using for a"Student City", an affordable student housing/campus development project by Budapest. Obviously there was nothing about this that people liked, not the bit where it used Hungarian taxpayer money, not the debt-trap, the fact that the only purpose it would have served would have been an espionage hub for China to spy on the EU, or the fact that this all came not so long after Orban sabotaged another Hungarian university, CEU (Central European University).

There were massive protests against Fudan. 70% of Hungarians rejected it, even almost half of the FIDESZ voters. Budapest renamed all surrounding streets to things like "Free Hong Kong street" or "Dalai Lama street". "Uyghur Martyrs' street" was a good one too. Orban put out a referendum as a ruse, then the Constitutional Court (filled to the brim with Orbanite yes men) ruled the referendum unconstitutional because referendums can't involve international agreements; Orban went GEE SHUCKS guess we gotta do the university now. So technically it's still just stalled, not completely canceled: Orban's main issue was they lacked the political capital to go forward with it (they wanted a cleaner 2026 victory I guess) and after the economy shit the bed even harder post 2022 they simply ran out of money. The building site is a grassy wasteland now, but they appeased the gooks through battery factories like CATL, BYD, the railways and the like. Under the Magyar government Fudan is almost certainly doomed to stay buried (likely forever).

There were never Chinese intelligence scandals either (besides the police station, if you can call it an intelligence scandal), only Russians, which I think is reasonably telling.
 
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I think the main difference is the nature of the realtionships: in Russia's case what you saw with Szijjártó as an example (now that I ranted my heart out about the Foreign Ministry shredding evidence of treason) was that they were seemingly bowing to Russia for no real reason, there was no benefit. In the phone conversations Szijjarto was clearly subservient to Lavrov, almost like he was the asset and the Russians the handlers
Watching Kremlin's involvement in Hungary's politics, Victoria Nuland's CIA cookies and all that other retarded shit about "staging revolution in Ukraine" comes to mind. You won't see ziggers complain about meddling in this case. Like Russia totally wasn't doing in Ukraine.
I'm repeating myself again, but it's never about principles with these people.
 
You could assume SURELY they can't be damning, important documents or else they wouldn't dispose of them this way; if they werent, why the fuck would they shred it at all? They have no obligation. Not to mention even the way the paper is shredded is not up to safety standards, these are all long strips instead of the microconfetti. (this isn't surprising considering I assume up to this point the shredders were acquired through public procurement; like everything else this meant the quality is shit but at least it's comically overpriced)
I mean isn't it just completely normal for a government to shred every document in existence after losing an election? /sneed

The moment an UAV hits the ammonia processing unit:
Listen NAFO child. What you see there is a successfully intercepted drone and some debris falling and causing a small fire. You have chosen to end your life repeating hohol propaganda. Enjoy gulag.


Shredded documents, depending the shredder can be very easily reassembled. Likely these niggers are using cheap efforts that don't properly shred.
Yup. It takes a bit of time, but there are now automated scanners tht will handle it.

Raytheon to Manufacture $3.7 Billion Worth of Patriot Missiles for Ukraine
Milsperg: Those are PAC-2 interceptors. Unlike PAC-3s that attempt to contact their target (this reduces the effectiveness of Chaff) PAC-2s are more like traditional anti-air missiles that get close and use fragmentation to try hit the target. this has turned out to work very well against low-flying Shaheed type drones and sub-sonic terrain following cruise missiles where a definitive radar lock might be hard to acquire.

this is yuge for Europe.
Raytheon was doing a license agreement with this german compnay to build an interceptor facility in germany. They started a venture both companies co-own that builds and runs the facility, while paying Raytheon licensing fees for the technology.
(autistic point of order, at the moment is is more of a fabrication and assembly facility. They build the missile body and posibly the motors, but guidance packages are sourced from Raytheon production "in the states" or from "approved providers" for various Euro domestics)

This massive order means the factory is effectively already paid off. That will reduce the costs and potentially the fulfillment time for European countries as they will be hiring workers to ramp up throughput, though I haven't seen the delivery timetable.

Basically replacing PAC-2 transfers to Ukraine/expanding PAC-2 inventories got faster and cheaper for European militaries.


The head of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, Mykhailo Fedorov, announces 1 billion € from Spain and Belgium in military aid each:
Closing the gap on Money they send to Russia vs. Aid sent to Ukraine

Budapest renamed all surrounding streets to things like "Free Hong Kong street" or "Dalai Lama street". "Uyghur Martyrs' street" was a good one too.
Fucking based.
 
A+ Gypsy updates
I'm also enjoying the fact that you know exactly who is fucking retarded and either bought off and missing payments/just straight up uninformed based on people trying to portray Magyar as some globohomo agent that the EU and Elders of Zion air-dropped in after black bagging poor poor Based Trad Toad-in-Suit Orban. Even the Lügenpresse is saying how socially conservative he is but just so happens to be pro-EU and anti-Russia, so when people bitch about this it makes you do a bit of a
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A Russian BMP hull with a mock-up T-14 Armata turret, for some reason:

My guess is it's intended for use as a decoy, maybe to get some Ukrainian drone-operators salivating at the sight of a true & honest T-14, so they can eventually be hunted down later. But it's still funny that the only part of a T-14 that's actually going to see combat is a pretend turret.
 
On April 13, Ksenia Sobchak released an interview with TV host Anton Krasovsky, a figure known for moving from liberal circles into Russia’s conservative camp. Once a recognizable journalist at glossy magazines, he became an aggressive war propagandist and was fired from the Russian state propaganda outlet RT for calling for Ukrainian children to be “drowned” and “burned.” Krasovsky is openly gay and founded a foundation to help people living with HIV. He now supports the ban on LGBTQ+ expression in Russia.
Sobchak filmed part of the interview at Krasovsky’s apartment, with icons and a portrait of Vladimir Putin in the background, and part of it in a police transport van as they drove around central Moscow. They discussed their shared past — Sobchak and Krasovsky have known each other for many years — his firing from RT, his views on the war, and his feelings toward former friends who oppose it. Here are the most striking quotes from Krasovsky:

  • On supporting the war. “I consider Ukraine my country. My homeland is the USSR, my homeland is the Russian Empire — I consider Ukraine part of it. […] When you’ve chosen a side, you shouldn’t forget that there is pain and suffering on the other side too. And that other side is also mine. […] I believed that our deaths and our lives mattered more than their deaths and their lives. And I’m hurt that I believed that.”
  • On the cost of the war. “If the question were ‘Should we take Kyiv?’ — of course we should. And Warsaw too. […] But there’s the question of ‘Can we?’ I don’t think so. Our Russian world costs too many lives. Would I want [Ukrainian] land to become part of the Russian empire again? Yes. […] But that’s not going to happen now. And if I had to choose between millions of lives or Kyiv, I would choose millions of lives.”
  • On his call to “drown” Ukrainian children. “I phrased it wrong, but the meaning was very simple. If a Russian soldier is marching through Berlin and a Hitler Youth member shoots him in the back, what do we do with that Hitler Youth member? That’s what I said. I was just on a roll. And I apologized sincerely… because I put [RT editor-in-chief] Margarita [Simonyan] and a lot of other people in a difficult position.”
  • On missing those who left. “Other things make me feel bad. The fact that I can’t communicate with people I loved and still love [who left Russia because of their opposition to the war]. I feel bad because those people are also acting like assholes. […] I’ll say more — it bothers me that I can’t communicate with people who openly support the Ukrainian army.”
  • On the return of those who left. “I believe our Russian victory should be magnanimous. […] I have just as much right to this land as the people who left. […] Whether they helped the Ukrainian forces or not — that will be for the victors’ court to decide, if it chooses to punish. I would want it to be magnanimous. […] I will do everything I can so that everyone who wants to can come back here.”
  • On fear. “The time for open conversation is over. I’m scared shitless of a lot of things, I don’t even know what. […] Why wouldn’t you be scared shitless of prison? If they can pick you up right now, why wouldn’t you be scared? There are no rules about who gets locked up. […] I’ve turned into a Soviet person. I’m just scared shitless of everything.”
  • On death. “At first I wanted to be buried on a high bank of the Volga under a stone. But now I’d like at least a few people to come to my funeral. […] For at least someone to come, for at least someone to say something, for at least someone to down a shot for you with some kind of regret.”
Meduza.io archive / Meduza.io original link
Raging homo, flamer Krasovsky, an RT journo sacked for calling for the drowning of Ukrainian children gives an expectedly unstable interview to Ksenia Sobchak (daughter of a mentor of Putin and still well inside the system). Given how the likes of Solovyov has a tranny son living as expected in London, he's likely not the only one.

Ukraine's special forces hit Rosneft oil terminal in Russia's Tuapse with drones
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — 16 April, 19:57
Long-range units from Ukraine's Special Operations Forces have struck several facilities at an oil terminal in the Black Sea port of Tuapse in Russia's Krasnodar Krai.

Source: Special Operations Forces press service

Details: The operation was conducted jointly with the Unmanned Systems Forces, Security Service and Defence Intelligence of Ukraine.

The oil terminal belongs to Rosneft and is part of the Tuapse oil refinery. The facility produces petrol, diesel fuel, fuel oil and petrochemical feedstock for the domestic market and for export.

The Ukrainian drones damaged deepwater oil loading arms and pipelines, as well as tanks at the marine terminal and the Tuapse oil refinery. A large fire broke out at the scene.

Quote: "Striking the enemy's maritime and oil infrastructure diminishes its economic and logistics capabilities, as well as its ability to circumvent international sanctions and replenish its budget.

The Special Operations Forces conduct deep-strike attacks on enemy facilities deep inside Russian territory and continue to carry out asymmetric operations to strategically degrade the enemy's ability to wage war against Ukraine."
Ukrainska Pravda original link / Ukrainska Pravda original link

Hitting this oil terminal shows that Ukraine is determined that the Kremlin midget not benefit from the Iran War. His shills claim loudly that that he is, but that in itself suggests not. At best it probably has restored a slight balance to the Russian fiscal outlook.


Preston Stewart - YouTube
Ukraine's Unmanned System Forces have warned Russia it's screwed, that they're just getting started. Donetsk is now well within the range of inexpensive drone muntions. HIMARs and other expensive systems could always reach it, but now it's a much easier matter to harry the logistics hub for the Russian front in the Donbasss. Also the murder of 17 civilians by Russian attacks are covered. Ukraine's killing of civilians are so rare and Russia's so common that it makes fairly plain that terrorism is a Russian policy.
 
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A Russian BMP hull with a mock-up T-14 Armata turret, for some reason:
My guess is it's intended for use as a decoy, maybe to get some Ukrainian drone-operators salivating at the sight of a true & honest T-14, so they can eventually be hunted down later. But it's still funny that the only part of a T-14 that's actually going to see combat is a pretend turret.

One would think the Russians by now would've gone over the T-14 and salvage the parts and systems that do work. And or yank out the T-14 parts & systems that don't work and replace them with those that do.
 
A Russian BMP hull with a mock-up T-14 Armata turret, for some reason:
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My guess is it's intended for use as a decoy, maybe to get some Ukrainian drone-operators salivating at the sight of a true & honest T-14, so they can eventually be hunted down later. But it's still funny that the only part of a T-14 that's actually going to see combat is a pretend turret.
I think it's worse than that. They might be looking for anything with armor and tracks that is drivable to send in. Kind of like WW2 when the Germans were taking captured display tanks in Berlin and pressing them into service. They've already sent in captured M113s that they claim are inferior to their own designs.
 
It is quite the accomplishment to make even the turret and chassis unworkable. Most likely someone in design just had to make everything noncompatible with the existing AFV, tools and equipment inventories.
That's what happens when everything you have is a T-72 or BMP hull and word comes down to create a completely new tank from the ground up.
 
It is quite the accomplishment to make even the turret and chassis unworkable. Most likely someone in design just had to make everything noncompatible with the existing AFV, tools and equipment inventories.
If I understood the whole 'family' that the T-14 was part of, the intention was for the tank chassis itself to be a modular 'base' system for AFV, supporting fire, and other such vehicles.

It just never crossed the finish line since we are talking about a 'cutting edge' tank that rather ingloriously broke the fuck down during a goddamn parade and needed proper recovery vehicles because they couldn't use the other T-14s for the job.

The fact the T-14 never showed up for the party during the early days of the war was just emphasizing that it was never anything more than a paper tiger II because IIRC, it's engine is directly descended from Soviets reverse engineering the Nazi machine.
 
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