Chris and his finances: An in-depth review of his debt

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Charging people interest for buying your own products is like hitting two birds with one stone.
In fact, most department/big box stores in the US make profit primarily off of proprietary credit card interest, not by selling merchandise.

It disturbs me how easy it is for someone like Chris to acquire a credit card, especially with limits as high as $2000.
Chris is the preferred credit holder in the US, because he doesn't manage his spending. That's why our country is in such shitty shape.

He's basically free to spend how he wants.
It's not so much a question of creditors coming after him as it is of him maxing out cards, and running out of opportunities for new cards. His ability to spend at all will get more and more constrained.
 
Why is anyone assuming he's bothering with the min payments? The bills come and he can just ignore the shit out of that shit and open more cards until they stop giving them to him.

There is no assumption here. He has been making the payments on time. It's probably the only reason he can keep getting credit. However, the more credit cards he gets, the higher the debt will grow. Eventually his tugboat won't be able to keep up with even the minimum payments, and it will all come crashing down.
 
I'm surprised that its common for American retail stores to hand out credit cards. To me personally, that sounds a bit unethical. But in the end, we can't really blame the stores for this; its people like Chris. Makes me wonder if Chris feels any stress as a result from his own credit card debts and his wants for Legos? Oh wait he's too stupid to manage his finances properly and he has his tugboat to pay off the minimums.
 
HONOR ROLL
Yeah more like ON A ROLL to bankruptcy.

Is it safe to assume that the only reason Chris is finally trying to make money off of Sonichu is because he's maxed out his cards and needs a quick (cwc) buck? Because I figure between his tugboat and Barb's pension, Charb would be just fine abandoning the remains of 14 Branchland and hoarding up the new place for good.
 
Strangely, I don't think any of his credit card accounts have ended up in collections. All his closed accounts were listed as paid and closed.

I was in early stage, meaning if he was late on just one payment by just 2 or 3 days, or if they were even over the limit by $10-$15, we'd be ringing them. As much as Chris pisses me off, I'm glad they closed the account with that company. It was a special kind of evil.
 
Chris can not have his disability checked involuntarily garnished to pay for this debt (or so http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/page1-18.html claims) and nobody will assume this debt when he passes on. He's basically free to spend how he wants.

Agreed. Assuming that the tugboat is still coming in at $809 per month, Christian is spending 27.19% of his income just to keep up with the minimum payments. The smarter financial play for Christian is probably to just stop paying his credit cards and to thumb his nose when debt collectors call, because the tugboat is exempt from collections.

Based on the monthly payment of $220 and a 44 month time frame to pay off the debt, Christian would be saving $9680 in tugboat money if he decided to go with the "strategic default" alternative.

Why, that's practically as much as what he would have gotten for his Sonichu drawing if ebay hadn't pulled his auction early. :tomgirl:
 
I was wondering about bankruptcy this morning. Boiled down, the Chandlers are an elderly woman and a disabled man on fixed incomes who just lost their only real asset to fire. People far more financially solvent than that declare bankruptcy every day. It'd mean no more shopping sprees, but it'd also mean no more credit debt hanging over his head.

ETA: Hahahaha, n/m, just read Maninthepicklesuit's "strategic default" post. That sounds like the more likely option. Phew, for a minute there I was talking like Charb had integrity.
 
There is no assumption here. He has been making the payments on time. It's probably the only reason he can keep getting credit. However, the more credit cards he gets, the higher the debt will grow. Eventually his tugboat won't be able to keep up with even the minimum payments, and it will all come crashing down.
Will it though? It seems like every time it's brought up someone says they can't force him to pay off the debt off his tugboat and that he could just stop paying if he wanted to. "Not being granted more credit" isn't really the end of the world IMO, considering the alternative is paying of an almost $10k debt.
 
Will it though? It seems like every time it's brought up someone says they can't force him to pay off the debt off his tugboat and that he could just stop paying if he wanted to. "Not being granted more credit" isn't really the end of the world IMO, considering the alternative is paying of an almost $10k debt.


The thing is, once he becomes unable to pay, he will still have his tugboat, but his credit will be completely destroyed.
No credit = no new credit cards.
No new credit cards = no more free money for spending on stupid things.
No more money for stupid things = Stress.

In other words, he won't be able to spend more than his tugboat in a month ever again. It's gonna be real tough to buy all them games with only 800 a month, and still be able to eat and live under a roof.
 
The sad thing is, taking on this kind of debt slavery is actually a rational course of action for a person who defines happiness as being able to spend thousands of dollars on garbage every month. The minimum monthly payments are a drop in the bucket compared to all the discretionary spending his credit enables. Personally I hope he racks up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt over the course of his life and then dies broke and the predatory credit card companies don't see a cent of his "estate" because it's worth literally nothing.
 
Chis has at least $7300 of unpaid credit card debt to his name that I can confirm.
Yeah, that largely jibes with what I have, and is a lot more internet trustworthy than the "nine thousand" estimate in the ebay thread.
I'm actually kinda shocked it's so common for retailers to have their own credit cards,
When you buy something with a credit card, the retailer has to pay a transaction fee to the creditor. Retailers would rather pay as few transaction fees as possible, so it makes a lot of sense for them to issue their own credit cards where they pay a chunk (if not all) of the transaction fees to themselves. And they make a handsome interest profit from people like Chris in the process. This is why you see all sorts of retailers issuing their own cards these days, even ones that make almost no sense, like Toys "Я" Us; there's no reason for them not to.

Retail credit is not a new thing. Time was when almost all retailers did business through credit, especially in rural areas, because their customers wouldn't themselves get paid until the next crop was in etc. The communications explosion has made it easy for retailers to go back to this way of doing business, but in card form.
Strangely, I don't think any of his credit card accounts have ended up in collections. All his closed accounts were listed as paid and closed.
Chris may not understand all the complexities of compound interest and credit, but he's smart enough to know to make payments on time. He may not understand very well that the minimum payment is just that: a minimum, and he could pay more (not that he would). He may just understand that that's the payment he needs to make on time to be able to continue to use the card, just like the electric payment is what he needs to make on time to continue to play his vidya. So Chris is probably very good about making monthly minimum payments, though that makes him very bad at actually managing his debt.

I was a little surprised he continues to make minimum payments on cards he's maxed out, seeing as he's not getting any benefit from them in that state. I suspect he makes minimum payments hoping for the balance to go down just enough for him to max them out again with another small purchase (such as that relatively inexpensive lego tree thing "the trolls" supposedly gave to him), thereby ensuring Chris continues to pay the largest amount possible in interest (:stupid:). This is probably why he begs for expensive, multi hundred dollar sets on the internet; making minimum payments only reduces his balance enough below maximum for him to make small lego purchases of relatively inexpensive sets.

The closed accounts jointly held by Chris and Borb were probably closed by Borb. I strongly suspect the others were closed through some sort of credit rollover involving some rollover incentive Chris wanted such as a higher balance with which to buy more legos. That's about the only way I can see someone like Chris building up a even a $3000 limit on that Capital One account.
Chris is the preferred credit holder in the US, because he doesn't manage his spending. That's why our country is in such shitty shape.
Also because he spends the maximum amount possible in interest by making minimum payments on perpetually maxed accounts, which is pure profit for his creditors. Chris is the bread and butter of the consumer credit industry.
It's gonna be real tough to buy all them games with only 800 a month, and still be able to eat and live under a roof.
You don't need to pay for a roof you don't have. I wonder, exactly how many legos can you fit in an old shopping cart?
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