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lmao @The Real Slim Shady :story:
 
General Zoider said:
Fun fact if a child grows up in a heavily progressive household, they are more likely to end up conservative leaning than progressive leaning, unless the parents beat the progressive ideas into them.
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It stands to reason honestly, when you pivot too hard into one angle generally your kids reject and rebel against it (Unless they go into Hitler-Youth style indoctrination)
 
Soda Can said:
I kinda want to see a thread that's just Barry and Zoider describing the fully history of furry from their perspective, since A. First hand (greymuzzle, lol lol lol) experience from when all this shit was being built, B. A refreshing willingness to not pull punches and C. A refreshing willingness to stay on topic without all the normal bullshit ("roundhouse kick a" and so on).
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Barry probably knows more then I know about the early fall, since I joined after the first iphone. But a good comparison for the early days of before 2012(there are many places to cut off but i like to choose 2012) is imagining if you had the energy of a Star Trek fandom, but it was dedicated to furry content. Plus back then it was mostly homosexuals.
 
This has me thinking hard about my early experiences with the fandom. 🤔 I didn't consider myself a furry and I didn't have an account anywhere. What I can remember was the pre-tranny, pre-MOGAI, and pre-self-diagnosed-DID-and-autism vibe of the fandom. There were still gay people, but they had the same histrionic air trooner gooners treat themselves with now. I suspect a lot of those same people went on to troon out later. I remember commissions, adopts, and the like not being so common as they are now.
 
Soda Can said:
I kinda want to see a thread that's just Barry and Zoider describing the fully history of furry from their perspective, since A. First hand (greymuzzle, lol lol lol) experience from when all this shit was being built, B. A refreshing willingness to not pull punches and C. A refreshing willingness to stay on topic without all the normal bullshit ("roundhouse kick a" and so on).
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Get a couple of other users, who can be furries or normies, but remember internet 1.0's landscape and wildlife. Then you'll have yourself an almost comprehensive thread on furfandom history.
 
I was only really there for 4 or so years pre-iphone but the myspace/laptop era (I do agree on 2012 being the year of change, its when I saw poor people first starting to get iphones) but the whole thing really did feel a lot different. The furry fandom was still mostly just a meetup place for autistic gay white people but it was lacking in most of the troonshit. There was still plenty of crossdressers but I don't recall them ever demanding I call them a true and honest woman, I also remember there being a lot more straight people. Maybe its just because I haven't been to any meetups/cons in person since the obama administration but as a teen back then I could at least find other austistic aspies of the opposite sex to hook up with, looking online it doesn't seem like that can really happen anymore unless you are into poppers and getting GRIDS.
 
JimJams1998 said:
looking online it doesn't seem like that can really happen anymore unless you are into poppers and getting GRIDS.
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the entire vibe has changed now to be either chill af or horny to the extreme. The middle ground of "silly" has been mostly destroyed by a mix of Nigerian bots, people growing up, and politics. What probably harmed it the most is the combination of identity/political tourists and purity spiraling.

Plus a large part of the fandom bought into the trans/any pronoun/nonbinary wave, and since the pressure to transition/fight the gender norms has more or less collapsed many of those people feel completely disillusioned because they feel like they were sold a lie. Finally, the fandom is more or less tearing itself apart over people who use AI, ages of characters, genders of characters, and pronouns.
 
A special announcement for all Pragmata Cuny gamers...
A touching tribute to Gone Home on Nesticle "The Game that Inspired the Popular Resident Evil Series"...
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The official bacha bazi game is in development.
*vine boom*
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I am now remembering that I wanted to make my own Sweet Home knockoff with porn in it when I was 12.
This is not what I had envisioned and also Pewdiepie was supposed to appear at some point.
 
Been in the fandom since 2010. So much has changed, I feel so old. (:_(

Lots of people I've gone to cons with over the years have switched to friend-cations instead of cons, which honestly sounds a whole lot better than a con nowadays. Anyone our age still going to cons is trying to chase that initial 'high' of the first couple years. and that's fine I guess (A bit sad too,) but with all the younger generations of furries aging up and getting more active in the community it just ends up as a mostly awkward and boring weekend.
 
Racoober said:
Lots of people I've gone to cons with over the years have switched to friend-cations instead of cons, which honestly sounds a whole lot better than a con nowadays.
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This is more common than you think. My friend circle and I do much of the same, and we just go to other places (like visiting national parks or, in the past, making a collective trip to Disneyland before that place went to shit). The only reason any of us ever showed up at a convention within the past 15+ years was because one of us was a special guest or was invited out there by the organizers for some other reason, and in those instances the rest of us usually didn't show up unless it was local (and even then, it was "I'm in town, I'll leave the con in a bit and meet you at XYZ at 7").

The rot affected conventions in a way unique to those events. There was some similarity between the community as a whole, but since cons are an in-person thing there was a LOT more policing of retard shit like pronouns and all that crap. I have a couple of secondhand examples from said friend group but I don't think I'd be able to be specific about them without powerleveling too hard because you could probably figure out who they were even from a broad description.

Conventions in the 90's and into the early to mid 2000's definitely had more of a focus on the creative aspect of the fandom. People were there to show/sell their artwork, stories, and comics. The art auctions were a huge deal. Remember how conventions used to brag about "we raised $XX,XXX for our chosen charity"? A large slice of that came purely from people bidding on and buying art that had been donated by the fandom's then-famous artists. That shit doesn't happen anymore. Gone are the panels about slice of life stuff and creativity, and instead we get shit like a three hour "HOW TO SURVIVE AS A MMQUIPPSLGBTQIA2345+++ IN THE FURRY FANDOM" panel that's two minutes of the speaker telling you her pronouns and 178 minutes of her complaining about Nazis on Twitter.

It's awful. I'm getting MATI. I'll stop now.
 
Racoober said:
Anyone our age still going to cons is trying to chase that initial 'high' of the first couple years. and that's fine I guess (A bit sad too,) but with all the younger generations of furries aging up and getting more active in the community it just ends up as a mostly awkward and boring weekend.
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Going to assume I fall into that age bracket lol. While I've been part of the fandom since... at least 2012, I only started to really get into the broader fandom recently which has been a mixed bag to say the least. The worst of em dye their hair bright colors at least so I know who to avoid at cons. Shit, I didn't even know who Uncle Kage was until after we had a chat about birds and someone told me who they were. I digress.

The hardest part for someone "new" to the space is definitely trying to network with anyone without having every social media under the sun. I've been just short of being hit by a "okay boomer" when I asked for their FA handle after I said I didn't have a Twitter or bsky. There's definitely a sense of community, only it's more of a clique culture than a bunch of nerds enjoying silly animal people. My best times at cons this year were grabbing some beers with dudes while making fools of ourselves out in town. There's definitely a few people who don't like all the SJW shit going around but finding them is like trying to cross a minefield.
 
Racoober said:
Lots of people I've gone to cons with over the years have switched to friend-cations instead of cons,
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Freiend-cations are the way to go honestly. I did one last year just having the ability to curate who goes was one of the best aspects of it. I think cons are only going to be for "networking" in a few years and then friend-cation are going to be the what fills the gap. I get that the target audince at this point for a con are people that want infinity drugs and orgasms but some of the best part of cons are going around and harassing other attendees.
Doggy Dog World said:
There's definitely a sense of community, only it's more of a clique culture than a bunch of nerds enjoying silly animal people. My best times at cons this year were grabbing some beers with dudes while making fools of ourselves out in town.
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You have to remember there is no real identity in the fandom besides liking Anthro-animals, so it is surprisingly broad with the type of people it attracts and with covid a lot of clout chasers came in as well. Cons really should be about fucking around and I just treat them as a vacation.
 
I didn't even really learn what furry was until Y!Gallery finally fucked themselves to oblivion, despite being accused of being one every now and then. In the early 2000s, all I followed was webcomics and artist drama. Lots of webcomics were furry (which I took to mean the cast were all cartoon animals and there was no further meaning beyond that point), people knew I followed them, so.

The turning point was, and I think I talked about this several pages ago, was a chill artist I liked on Y!Gallery who just wanted to draw his lizard guys watching TV and doing the laundry. Now I seek out artists who do that Animal Crossing thing. Yeah yeah, sparkledog, whatever, here's him/her/it doing something chill and mundane.
 
General Zoider said:
as one of the furries the fandom has more or less become just another lefty hellhole so killing all furries would actually save western civilization. Plus the fandom has been falling apart for years now it might honestly be time to put it out of its misery like the terminally ill animal it claims to be.
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I miss the time where there were right-wing furries and people like Steve Gallacci (who could actually draw) were dominant in the field.
 
a kiwifarms user said:
Some Asian place selling various sex toys and the kind of generic coomer fiqurines you'd associate with weebs, but furry.
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This reminds me of a Chinese company called Guangzhou Hongyi Toy Manufacturing. They have this professional video for Alibaba showing off the process behind making their products while explaining information about the company.

There's this moment in the video where you go from seeing a worker printing an Earth design on a flat sheet of vinyl, to a panning shot of a room full of big breasted inflatable sex dolls among other innocuous things.

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I just wonder what the workers there think about it.

 
AnOminous said:
I miss the time where there were right-wing furries and people like Steve Gallacci (who could actually draw) were dominant in the field.
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my goal is to hopefully be one of the good right wing ones and actually sell my art for charity among other things. Tho I have a long way to go since my focus is programming.
 
General Zoider said:
my goal is to hopefully be one of the good right wing ones and actually sell my art for charity among other things. Tho I have a long way to go since my focus is programming.
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Genuinely, I wish you the best with that. Not a shitpost. We need more people who are contrarian to whatever the "contemporary" fandom is to provide an alternative for those who just want to enjoy some fucking bipedal animals without the baggage of rainbow shit. There will never be a shifting of the community's perspective back to what it used to be, so a new niche needs to be carved and self-policed accordingly.
 
Barry Williams said:
Genuinely, I wish you the best with that. Not a shitpost. We need more people who are contrarian to whatever the "contemporary" fandom is to provide an alternative for those who just want to enjoy some fucking bipedal animals without the baggage of rainbow shit. There will never be a shifting of the community's perspective back to what it used to be, so a new niche needs to be carved and self-policed accordingly.
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I will admit tho I will avoid drawing any female characters for the foreseeable future even if I like the design because that seems to be where a lot of both rainbow and nonrainbow baggage seems to stem from.
 
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