12 deck counting with 468 cards is nuts but possible. Only someone autistic or with lots of practice. I don't know why you would torture yourself with doing it. Vegas only does 6-8 deck shoes. For a 12 deck shoe, Id rather just go play craps or baccarat and enjoy myself.
Actually counting works best with large shoes. Just re-shuffling every time makes counting pretty much impossible. This is why so many Vegas games have single decks and reshuffle every time. Counting is ludicrously difficult these days.
I'm reminded of the graduate students who figured out how to "beat" roulette
For the vast majority of people it's next to impossible. But for a very select few who can work the odds and have a mutant ability to remember everything it's possible. Meaning we're looking at maybe a hundred people in the world capable of doing so? And the minute they start winning too much the Pit Boss comes over and says, "you're done".
It's to the point that people are saying that if you see a continuous shuffle device on the Blackjack table just don't play. The odds are too high in favor of the house and blackjack has always had the best odds out of any casino game.
It's the power of math baby!
The key is how often they shuffle, and that if they think you're counting and winning they'll shuffle more often.
Wasn't that the one they made the movie of with Kevin (actually grosser than Russ) Spacy? Was good film.
No, that's this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_Down_the_House_(book)
TMI and minor derail, but fuck the restaurant at the top. Something along these lines:
What's the difference between the mob and the federal government? One of them's organized.
Yeah they have what they call a "black book" (now it's computerized) where they keep pictures of people no longer allowed to play blackjack (or sometimes anything else). That's also usually when people get greedy, like those roulette guys. You have a 44 percent advantage on the house? Do NOT fully exploit that. They'll let it slide if you are jerking them around for a percent or two. Start winning huge? You're done. They really don't even care how or why, you're just done. They are not legally obligated to do business with you.
You're rarely going to get a great count but you can get an at least decent count, and the kind where you aren't going to win enough to get you banned.
The issue with a 12 deck shoe (or anything of similar size) is that if you get a couple decks into it and the count sucks, it isn't getting better and you'll be waiting a long time for another shot at a good count. Not even Rain Man can magically turn a deck into having a good count. Hence the comments you'd be better off doing something else.Sounds like a great setup for a movie!
Yeah, you can't win. This is why I like that one thing so much. This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey's_Resort_Hotel_bombing