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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Like Russia and China? Those two very small nations that have no military or nuclear capabilities. Give me one reason to bomb iran that doesn't also justify either Russia or China bombing america.
He's saying that China and Russia are great powers, and therefore America can't just bomb the shit out of them; and that Russia and China can't in turn bomb America. But Iran is not a great power, but it's trying to play great power games and are thus reaping the great big bombing.
 
He's saying that China and Russia are great powers, and therefore America can't just bomb the shit out of them; and that Russia and China can't in turn bomb America. But Iran is not a great power, but it's trying to play great power games and are thus reaping the great big bombing.
Precisely. I would like to bring up the fact that during the Great Game over Central Asia the only time the English and Russians went at it directly was closer to home in the Crimea, and that was because the Russians had decided to shit on top of everyone's shared dinner table out of spite at English expansion outside of Europe, pissing off the French and Ottomans as well and not just the English. It also ended about as well for them as you would expect considering the 3-1 odds they decided to stack against themselves as a result of their butthurt.
 
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I agree with pretty much everything else in your post. But I can't hate on Trump for clowning on Harry and "most trolled person in the world" (her words) Meghan.
He's our idiot to have a go at. Not Trump's. Plus, maybe I'm old fashioned (probably am), but just on a point of principle I like to leave people's partners out of it. Besides, what did Harry do to provoke this? He said America should honour its international treaty obligations towards Ukraine. I'm not even pro-Kiev but America is largely responsible for the mess the country is in - they promised Kiev whatever it needed to defeat Russia, they were the ones that backed the coup that overthrew the elected leader and installed a pro-EU/pro-NATO candidate. Their fingerprints are all over that country. Like I say, I'm not even pro-Kiev but there's a staggering death toll and Prince Harry is allowed to say "where is America?" It's a political comment about the USA's military commitments.

And what do we get from Trump? Insults about his wife and a declaration by Trump that he speaks for the British people. IMO, King Charles should cancel his visit. Not about this, mind, but because of the comments about the Falklands, if Trump really did make them.

I'm genuinely pissed off with Trump now. And I am very far from some Progressive Democrat type.
 
I'm not even pro-Kiev but America is largely responsible for the mess the country is in - they promised Kiev whatever it needed to defeat Russia, they were the ones that backed the coup that overthrew the elected leader and installed a pro-EU/pro-NATO candidate. Their fingerprints are all over that country.
I've not seen the Trump nonsense with Harry, however this bit I'll push back on slightly. That right there is not so much America as the Uni Party, that alliance of Republicans and Democrats that operate entirely to carry out their will and those backing them rather than that of the people they were elected to govern.

Trump was installed as opposition to that in the eyes of many voters and as such him being leery about fixing problems made by the Uniparty's actions is understandable, especially when they almost certainly made those deals as part of "international co-operation", AKA the Uniparty equivalents across the world "protecting their democracy."

He still should take action, America has treaties and he needs to be honouring them.

As for the Harry thing as I say, not seen any specific quotes. But I know Harry did his speech in Kyiv with the UK flag prominently in the background

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Harry is not a politician and does not speak for the UK. In his own words he was there as a private individual. When other private individuals do those speeches they do not have the countries they do not live in's flags as a backdrop suggesting they somehow represent the country.

In lighter news

A Girlguiding group has switched to the Scouts amid a row over the organisation’s transgender policy, with others said to be considering similar moves, The Telegraph can reveal.
The 280th Liverpool Rangers unit closed as a Girlguiding group in December and reopened as the 280th Achilles Scout group in January.
The move came after Girlguiding – previously The Girl Guides Association – announced it would restrict membership to biological girls and young women, following last April’s Supreme Court ruling that sex in equality law refers to biological sex.
In a statement shared online, the group said it had “collectively agreed that we no longer share the same values as the organisation”, adding that the move would allow them to “continue to provide a space that is inclusive, supportive and reflective of the values we believe in”.
The unit had previously set out its position in a social media post stating that “trans girls are girls … and will always have a place with us”.

Internal discussions among Girlguiding leaders suggest others may follow suit, with some exploring moving entire units into alternative organisations or setting up independent youth groups.
Messages seen by The Telegraph show leaders discussing options including transferring to the Scouts, affiliating with other organisations, or, in one case, working with a local Pride group.
Girlguiding has about 300,000 members aged four to 18, while the Scout Association has more than 450,000 young people and volunteers across the UK and has been fully co-educational since 2007.
The Scouts allow young people to take part according to their gender identity, with arrangements for activities such as overnight stays considered case by case, taking into account safeguarding and individual needs.

The developments come amid uncertainty over how organisations should apply single-sex policies in practice.
Nearly a year after the Supreme Court ruling clarified that sex in equality law meant biological sex, updated guidance from the Equality and Human Rights Commission has yet to be published, with ministers saying it will be delayed until after next month’s devolved elections.
In December last year, Girlguiding announced that boys and male volunteers who identify as female could no longer join Girlguiding. In March, it confirmed that trans girls would have to leave by September.
Last month, The Telegraph revealed that a mother was bringing a legal challenge against Girlguiding over its decision to continue allowing biological males to remain in the organisation.
This followed reports of growing unrest within the charity, with messages seen by The Telegraph showing internal divisions and activism by some leaders opposing the ban.
This week, lawyers confirmed that a father of two girls had joined the case, arguing that the policy raised safeguarding concerns, particularly around single-sex spaces and residential activities such as summer camps.

Maya Forstater, the chief executive of Sex Matters, said: “Girlguiding is learning the hard way that there is no easy path back from pretending that men and boys could be female.
“Instead of apologising for being an all-girl organisation, it should have been celebrating what makes it unique. Pride youth groups are hardly a natural fit for the Girlguiding movement.”
Dr Katie Alcock, a former Girlguiding leader who was expelled after criticising its policy on admitting boys who identify as girls, said the organisation was failing to address activism within its ranks.
She added: “I also don’t believe moving units out of Girlguiding will be popular with parents, many of whom value a single-sex environment for their daughters.”
A spokesman for the Scouts said: “We have had no change in our policy and continue to welcome young people, and adults, from a wide range of backgrounds regardless of gender identity, in line with our values and long-standing approach.
“There is no formal process for an existing youth group to move into Scouts. Anyone wishing to join Scouts, whether as a young person or an adult volunteer, or create new Scouting provision would need to apply through our usual processes.”
Girlguiding said it recognised the “strength of feeling” within the organisation following the policy change and was working to support volunteers as it was implemented.

Children are "often trained to comply" with special educational needs criteria by their parents in order to receive benefits, a councillor has claimed.
City of Doncaster Council's David Knight said support, such as transport provision, given to children with special educational needs and disabilities (SEND) had caused an "explosion" in claims.
The Reform UK councillor is a voluntary director of Ward Transportation Ltd which, until recently, was contracted by the authority to provide school taxi services for children with SEND.
Jane Harris, vice chair of the Disabled Children's Partnership, said the comments were "ignorant" and it was an "absolute fantasy" that people could get support easily.
She said: "It is really hard to believe that anybody who is elected as a councillor who's meant to stand up for the people who live in their area would say something like this."
She said parents had to provide "stacks and stacks" of evidence over a long period of time with multiple assessors involved in order to secure support from "cash-strapped" authorities.
"You cannot train a child to be able to fake something so that those people can agree with you," she added.


In a speech to a scrutiny committee meeting on 26 March lasting more than six minutes, Knight claimed schools excluded children who were unlikely to get good results which put them into the SEND system.
He said benefits had caused an "explosion of SEN claims".
"Benefits includes a child being placed in a satellite school, with one-to-one tuition, transport provided complete with passenger assistance and the parent being awarded financial packages to assist," he said.
"To achieve SEN status for the child, criteria have to be met. Once a parent knows the criteria, a child is often trained to comply."
He said there was a "poor waste" of council money being spent on school transport for children with SEND and asked for it to be reviewed.
In 2023/24, councils across England spent £1.5bn on school transport for 470,000 students, more than double the amount in 2015/16.
One councillor described his speech as "utter madness", according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.
Harris said it was "really hurtful" to families and children who were "often some of the most vulnerable people in our society".

Research by the Disabled Children's Partnership earlier this year found 57% of parents of children with SEND felt they had been lied to by councils.
"If the body that you're meant to get help from you feel is lying to you, that really undermines children's futures," Harris said.
"We really cannot have councillors saying ridiculous things like this."

As of last year, Ward Transportation Ltd was one of 32 firms contracted by the council to transport children with SEND between school and their homes.
A Reform UK group spokesperson said Knight had "taken the personal decision to step back" from the taxi contract.
They said the remarks represented his "personal experiences and perceptions" based on years of experience.
"His intention was to contribute to a broader discussion about the significant pressures facing SEND provision and social care services," they said.


"The views expressed by Cllr Knight were his own, but they were made in the context of raising concerns about system pressures, not to cause offence.
"We remain committed to respectful, balanced and constructive engagement on these important topics."
 
@Morethanabitfoolish Fair points. The Falklands comment has rattled my usual higher standards of objectivity. Fuck Trump. I stand by that responding to Harry's comments by having a go at his wife or pretending to speak for the British people is worth taking to task over him. I hold to higher standards whether others do or not.

As regards the Girl Guides, I imagine this is how the pro-Trans parents see the organisation now:
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Who are the typical parents of girl guides? Are they typically more Middle Class or not? I'm just curious because even though women tend to speak out less, I would imagine there would be a fair few quiet sighs of relief at the ruling. But maybe they are true believers.
 
I hate this faggot Keir. Despite all his international law worship he completely disregards the fundamental principle of international law. Falklanders and Chagossians are not bargaining chips, nations have rights and those rights underpin our entire international order. He must have missed the lecture on westphalia to suck cock in the student union bar. Next thing we know he'll want to give Jersey to the French.

Thread Tax; Rayner's allies suggest that she can only come back if Shabana is sacked. Great trade deal, sack the brown to import more browns.
 
He's our idiot to have a go at. Not Trump's. Plus, maybe I'm old fashioned (probably am), but just on a point of principle I like to leave people's partners out of it. Besides, what did Harry do to provoke this? He said America should honour its international treaty obligations towards Ukraine. I'm not even pro-Kiev but America is largely responsible for the mess the country is in - they promised Kiev whatever it needed to defeat Russia, they were the ones that backed the coup that overthrew the elected leader and installed a pro-EU/pro-NATO candidate. Their fingerprints are all over that country. Like I say, I'm not even pro-Kiev but there's a staggering death toll and Prince Harry is allowed to say "where is America?" It's a political comment about the USA's military commitments.

And what do we get from Trump? Insults about his wife and a declaration by Trump that he speaks for the British people. IMO, King Charles should cancel his visit. Not about this, mind, but because of the comments about the Falklands, if Trump really did make them.

I'm genuinely pissed off with Trump now. And I am very far from some Progressive Democrat type.
Which international treaty are we talking about? If it's the Budapest Memorandum then, well... we signed that too. Where is the UK? Don't we have the exact same obligations?

And that's not me saying we should have boots on the ground in Ukraine. That's me saying maybe Harry should just keep out of it altogether.

As a final point, lol at the idea of Charles cancelling his visit. This is like the one time in his life he might actually be able to be useful, since Trump is (a bit bizarrely imo) a massive teeaboo, and the pomp and ceremony of a royal visit actually means something to him, whereas that's probably not been true for any US President in history.

About the Falklands, I don't really care what the US thinks or says on the matter. They didn't help us out last time anyway
 
About the Falklands, I don't really care what the US thinks or says on the matter. They didn't help us out last time anyway
Im sure someone in UPG2 is posting about how this is some masterful 5D drumpf chess move

I have a question. If the younger generation can't buy cigarettes anymore, what happens to the estimated 8 billion in tobacco duty per year? Smoking fags is for fags, but my mother always said cigarettes pay for their NHS treatment and then some.
 
Im sure someone in UPG2 is posting about how this is some masterful 5D drumpf chess move

I have a question. If the younger generation can't buy cigarettes anymore, what happens to the estimated 8 billion in tobacco duty per year? Smoking fags is for fags, but my mother always said cigarettes pay for their NHS treatment and then some.
They'll bump up another tax somewhere else or just invent a brand new one. The government will find a way to make up the difference and one way is probably going to be an expansion of Reeves property tax. Not enough £2 mill + homes in the UK outside of London but there's enough on the higher end of six figures.
The Valuation office are even hiring new field workers to assess all of the appeals they will inevitably be flooded with when the current limit comes into force.
 
I do suspect there's likely a lot of stuff we are not seeing. I'd be unsurprised if various European countries including us have been back and forth with the US about Iran and as such trust is lacking at the moment.

Given how precarious Keir's position is I could easily see him changing his mind daily and not even bothering to inform anyone about it till he did a press release.
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So yeah, it was shit stirring. (US neutrality has been policy for them since the 80s)

And you can already see the effect it's had using this site as a microcosm since it pisses off Brits (rightfully), forces Americans to defend the decision their government may or may not have made, causing unnecessary strife—that's not even mentioning Milei, who has to affirm Argentina's """claim""" to the Falklands because Argentinians don't want to acknowledge their dictator declared a war just to distract from how shit he was.
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Not to be exhibitionistic or PL'ing, but I had an interaction with an Argentinian after the news came out (I've known them for several years)
Apparently, like India, they have a "British plundered our country"-myth that they use to scapegoat current woes.
sigh
I kind of understand
he will ahve to do anything to keep being on trump side
and a lot of argentinians are permanently conditioned to think as the island as argentinian
like, the majority

I don't think the Falklands will become Argentine and [Milei] has to say this (he might even believe it) but it's like Gibraltar, where it's been held for so long in British possession that the people there can't fathom anything else.
Plus people died to keep it that way.

me neither, that being said people are talking about canada joining usa
I wouldn't say anything is on stone right now
specially with uk trying to give up colonies that have people that don't even want to stop being part of uk, the islands that kind of got starmer in a kerfuffle with usa about
don't remenber the name, chagos? or something like that?
Something that got me in trouble a few times
in school
is that a lot of argentinian "history" is bragging about how several european powers were rejected
spain, and uk mostly.
there's like a few skirmishes that britain did into argentina, that argentina rejected
"wouldn't we be in a better place right now if we lost and we were uk?"
It sometimes got me into trouble because, well, a lot of people I knew had parents that were affected by that very brief war, even some of the people that weren't deployed had been abused by the military system in argentina and
The other grievance argentinians have is something something about some gold uk allegedly robbed from argentina, I never knew how real that story was because a lot of argentinian "official" history is made up.
He says Argentinians are demoralised and they don't have much to be proud about. I'd be remiss not to mention his status as an immigrant out of Argentina, and immigrants (right-wing leaning) tend to be the most demoralised regarding their own country and kin.

Like on this site when Americans doom and gloom about their own country and I feel compelled to help them think otherwise, I attempted to do the same for him. And there was a little more insight.
Argentinians are too demoralized to be proud about anything
we have food and some movies and songs
and even then that has gone away, most young people don't even know any traditional music, but rather the slop that most latinos listen to
I don't think there's anything that can be done, and milei can't get elected enough times in a row to fix the issue
half of the population is a bunch of brainwashed commies, because the former fascist party decayed into leftoids (who knew there was a relationship!)
[>IMPLYING diatribe]
The current argentina is very, very hard to love.
[Another >IMPLYING diatribe]
I get what you are saying
however, I posit the following
imagine your sister stabbed you in the back. Your father is schizo and rambles about how everyone is out ot get him, and your mother tried to poison you "accidentally" several times to get attention, or to get back at you for not taking the career you wanted.
would you "love" that family?
Argentina was already close to be unlovable when I left in 2008
but one of the last things I heard was
hmmm
let me tell you how bad things are right now, according to a more recently emigrated argentinian
he told me that people would be opening the door to their apparments, and they would be jumped at that moment to have their houses robbed
when posted stories like that on social media
others argentinians would say "se regalo" in a mocking way.
it rhoughy means "he gifted himself (to the thieves) in a silver platter"
I tend not to look too kindly on expats out of principle but from the way he describes it Argentina is a peak low-trust society where Argentinians don't feel a sense of empathy/loyalty for their own people. There might be a performative sort of patriotism against outsiders but similar to India, when a national identity and pride comes from resentment, it's not all that conducive to creating a high-trust society—maybe a paranoid one. "Everyone's out to get us, get you, and you need to be conscious of that, and any fault is on you for letting your guard down." or something.
 
About the Falklands, I don't really care what the US thinks or says on the matter. They didn't help us out last time anyway
The Falklands comment is payback for trying to extradite US citizens commenting on the Southport riots, trying to censor the internet via OFCOM, and sending people to campaign for Kamala.
 
The Falklands comment is payback for trying to extradite US citizens commenting on the Southport riots, trying to censor the internet via OFCOM, and sending people to campaign for Kamala.

Its not payback though. It's just noise. This is the latest example of Trump's administration debasing the value of anything they have to say. Nobody takes anything America says seriously at the moment. The USA right now it capricious and untrustworthy.
 
@Morethanabitfoolish Fair points. The Falklands comment has rattled my usual higher standards of objectivity. Fuck Trump. I stand by that responding to Harry's comments by having a go at his wife or pretending to speak for the British people is worth taking to task over him. I hold to higher standards whether others do or not.
Which is fair.
As regards the Girl Guides, I imagine this is how the pro-Trans parents see the organisation now:
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Who are the typical parents of girl guides? Are they typically more Middle Class or not? I'm just curious because even though women tend to speak out less, I would imagine there would be a fair few quiet sighs of relief at the ruling. But maybe they are true believers.
Otterly already answered, I suspect over-represented in single parent households is also an answer since it's an activity they can send them to where they are observed a for a period of time, freeing up the lone parent.
 
Its not payback though. It's just noise. This is the latest example of Trump's administration debasing the value of anything they have to say. Nobody takes anything America says seriously at the moment. The USA right now it capricious and untrustworthy.
We used to be allies with the USSR before they went full commie. Same thing applies to Canada, UK, and the EU today.
 
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